Topps Project 2020 is the worst product since 1991 Fleer

[Farmkid]

Originally Posted by Oliroller

Not everyone loathed OMA...

True, I was talking in absolutes. But you have to admit, he had some skeptics early on.

[cnote81]

Originally Posted by fjdlrw

If the artist does a full 20 card run of a poorly cropped "Squatters" set, the Pujols will eventually be highly sought after.

I like this. It feels like a low brow high concept critique of P2021. Maybe the backgrounds can have some magic eye style effect where looking at them all together spells out "Topps Lied"

[notoriousrmb]

Originally Posted by BigEd

You could sell 50 of them and then be left with the bag a month from now when they all get returned.

Someone saw how P2020 turned out!

This is the nature of the hobby these days.

[yogi yahooey]

Originally Posted by Farmkid

It's so early. By the end of the project, I bet every set from each artist will look good when all put together. I think we learned that from P2020. Everyone loathed both Shore and Oldmanalan, but when you look at them all together, they look pretty good.

i would agree with this. a nice display of 20 cards from the same artist might somehow hide how bad they are. if you can follow that.

framing anything and hanging it or showing it off well makes it much better and add to the illusion

[BigEd]

I think the difference is that we, as collectors, have a better idea of what we're looking for with these cards this time around. A resounding "that's lazy" feels a whole lot heavier coming from people who experienced P2020. Maybe just my perception, and I certainly hope Farmkid is right and I'm wrong.

[yogi yahooey]

Originally Posted by BigEd

You could sell 50 of them and then be left with the bag a month from now when they all get returned.

that's pretty scummy of people to do that.

if that's the standard and not the exception i wouldn't buy many in first place if you're worried about what might happen or just interested in a pump/dump.

[Oliroller]

Originally Posted by BigEd

I think the difference is that we, as collectors, have a better idea of what we're looking for with these cards this time around. A resounding "that's lazy" feels a whole lot heavier coming from people who experienced P2020. Maybe just my perception, and I certainly hope Farmkid is right and I'm wrong.

I really feel this way about the Randy Johnson today.

[Kek5270]

Tell em Yogi - "Its getting late early"

[WyoDeacon2K6]

Originally Posted by Farmkid

It's so early. By the end of the project, I bet every set from each artist will look good when all put together. I think we learned that from P2020. Everyone loathed both Shore and Oldmanalan, but when you look at them all together, they look pretty good.

This thought is actually what is guiding my buying decisions: "What artist's collection would look good when it's all put together in a frame hanging on a wall?" I don't think all of the artists galleries from P2020 met that criteria (for me anyway).

I didn't get in to P2020, but I looked at all of the artist's galleries posted on line to get an idea of what I liked. And I'm chasing some artist's sets based on what I think will look nice presented as a complete artists set.

So far, Naturel, Chuck Styles, and Thiele. And I just bought a Pardee subscription from Wheeler -- I need more weird in my life.

[1977 Cloth]

Originally Posted by Farmkid

True, I was talking in absolutes. But you have to admit, he had some skeptics early on.

Still do. I was framing my Rickey Henderson Project 2020 this weekend and pretty much cried from the Horizontal non 1980 Topps version that he added to the set.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by yogi yahooey

that's pretty scummy of people to do that.

if that's the standard and not the exception i wouldn't buy many in first place if you're worried about what might happen or just interested in a pump/dump.

its the standard for cards as a whole

[ThoseBackPages]

OMA urinated on P2020

i will have to check, but how many of his cards paid homage to the 20 cards that the artists were asked to pay homage to?

Meaning, in 20 years you take OMAs (card here) and show it to a baseball card collector. when they see it, they will be able to immediately say " that is (players name and card year here)'s card"

[Oliroller]

Originally Posted by 1977 Cloth

Still do. I was framing my Rickey Henderson Project 2020 this weekend and pretty much cried from the Horizontal non 1980 Topps version that he added to the set.

So are you just as mad at Blake, Efdot, Thiele, Shore, and Beck for making horizontal cards vertical?

[Oliroller]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

OMA urinated on P2020

i will have to check, but how many of his cards paid homage to the 20 cards that the artists were asked to pay homage to?

Meaning, in 20 years you take OMAs (card here) and show it to a baseball card collector. when they see it, they will be able to immediately say " that is (players name and card year here)'s card"

Rivera, Clemente, Williams, Jackie, Ripken, Brett, Gibson, Mattingly just off the top of my head.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Oliroller

Rivera, Clemente, Williams, Jackie, Ripken, Brett, Gibson, Mattingly just off the top of my head.

is it really that many? surprising

[samcam]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

OMA urinated on P2020

i will have to check, but how many of his cards paid homage to the 20 cards that the artists were asked to pay homage to?

Meaning, in 20 years you take OMAs (card here) and show it to a baseball card collector. when they see it, they will be able to immediately say " that is (players name and card year here)'s card"

They will always say that Gwynn OMA is 1991 Fleer and for that, we are grateful.

[1977 Cloth]

Originally Posted by Oliroller

So are you just as mad at Blake, Efdot, Thiele, Shore, and Beck for making horizontal cards vertical?

I collected Henderson and Thomas as players, so that is where my interest lies. I also sort of did Mays, but we will see on that one. I don't as much mind the flipping the orientation as the complete disdain for the original card. You have heard me complain about OMA from the beginning. I hate his Thomas card for my set as well.

His cards are fine in an of themselves, but they weren't representations of the original for the most part. The Clemente and Williams were fine.

[Shinjoy]

Originally Posted by Oliroller

I really feel this way about the Randy Johnson today.

It has to be a Vides day when the word "lazy" comes out. How do you determine lazy, vs "I don't like it"? Blue the Great has a cool, stylized drawing of Randy Johnson which "got" Randy. The design of the card is stripped down, but look at his IG page. That's the style of almost all of his art. Especially the portraits.

The set has 51 artists. Most of them are not going to be for everybody.

[BigEd]

Originally Posted by Oliroller

Rivera, Clemente, Williams, Jackie, Ripken, Brett, Gibson, Mattingly just off the top of my head.

true, true, true, maybe, maybe, nope, definitely not, I suppose.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by samcam

They will always say that Gwynn OMA is 1991 Fleer and for that, we are grateful.

not all of us lol

[BigEd]

Not applying "lazy" to Vides. I think his effort is stronger this time. Still not what I wanted from him, but definitely not lazy.

[yogi yahooey]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

its the standard for cards as a whole

i don't deal in new releases. if it's a big problem like you say then the hobby has a big problem with payment processors and/or ebay.

it just shows me that many scumbags are still heavily involved in the hobby. and in many cases worse than they were.

to hold your card hostage and keep it for 40 days to determine if it goes down and return once it does doesn't bode well for the future of new cards.

it wasn't long ago people paid for anything by check or postal money order. maybe things have to go back to that, or paypal gift only

[1977 Cloth]

Originally Posted by Oliroller

Rivera, Clemente, Williams, Jackie, Ripken, Brett, Gibson, Mattingly just off the top of my head.

The Thomas was literally a representation of a magazine cover, and the Henderson was a representation of a check. These were not 1980 and 1990 Topps cards.

[Oliroller]

Originally Posted by BigEd

true, true, true, maybe, maybe, nope, definitely not, I suppose.

If you ask any baseball card collector what George Brett card OMA is drawing inspiration from in P2020 everyone will say 1975 because of his border color choice. I really actually like the OMA Brett quite a bit so maybe I'm extra biased on that one, but I see an easy link to 1975.

[eldustino]

Originally Posted by BigEd

true, true, true, maybe, maybe, nope, definitely not, I suppose.

+1.

Plus, hilarious.

Thanks BigEd