2025 Baseball Hall of Fame

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

Maybe he/she was a Yankees fan. Maybe he doesn't like Asians. Maybe the voter put a few racks on the USA winning the WBC. Who the hell knows. You think you know why Ichiro wasn't voted in but only the voter can speak out on it. Maybe that's the reason, so said voter can get attention like a child. Either way, the excuse you brought up is illogical. I'd like to see the voter's ballot. Anyone with a brain knows that Alex Rodriguez and Manny Ramirez aren't getting in normally. If they voted for either of them and left Ichiro off, they are idiots. If they voted to McCann or someone else that was close to falling off, they are idiots. For players like that, that's the reason the Era's Committee's exist.

You sound like the stereotypical rambling town lunatic. The fear mongering about discrimination against foreign players is hilarious though. I just find it funny that Ichiro is the one to set everyone off when far better players weren’t unanimously voted in either.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by nickp91

Have to think it will be Carlos Beltran and Andruw Jones who headline the 2026 HOF Class

Yes -- the road is paved for both of them. They have no competition.

I'm still surprised Beltran got 70.3% of the vote in his 3rd year on the ballot, with the Astros sign-stealing scandal still raw in many fans' minds. But it seems like the voters have decided it's not disqualifying -- unlike PED use, which will keep Manny and A-Rod from getting voted in.

What will be interesting to see -- and honestly perplexing -- is if Jones doesn't get enough votes in his 9th year on the ballot. He has no cheating scandal, unlike Beltran. But I suspect his domestic abuse scandal is the reason why he's had a hard time getting over the hump the last few votes.

[PuddleMonkey]

I thought votes were going to be public now, has that changed?

[jdandns]

Beyond any off-field issues, the last 5 years Andruw spent stealing money from the 4 teams he signed with after leaving Atlanta should keep Jones out of the Hall for several more years at a minimum.

[no10pin]

There's been one unanimous vote in 80+ years. You could name 100 that should have been, but it doesn't matter.

Ichiro not being unanimous is no more ridiculous than Aaron, Ruth, Mays, etc. Someone always has to be the contrarian, the more shocking thing is that Rivera slipped through.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by smanzari

I feel like you all don't understand the voting process, I would not have voted for him either given he reached a mathematic point on the public ballots where he was in no matter what (I do agree he IS a Hall of Famer without a doubt). 100% votes means NOTHING other than a vote was potentially taken away from another deserving player. Voters get 10 selections PERIOD and can use all or none of them

This logic makes Rivera's unanimous selection even more of a mystery. He was on the ballot with three other inductees and five other eventual inductees. Plus, there were several other high vote-getters like Bonds and Clemens:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/a...hof_2019.shtml

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Beyond any off-field issues, the last 5 years Andruw spent stealing money from the 4 teams he signed with after leaving Atlanta should keep Jones out of the Hall for several more years at a minimum.

Was it stealing when teams kept giving him money even though he was getting fatter and fatter?

Seriously -- he was pretty good as a part-time player with the ChiSox and Yankees in 2010 and 2011, getting paid only a combined $2 million: .837 OPS; 122 OPS+; 32 HR; 550 PA; 2.8 bWAR

[here2havefun]

Originally Posted by erock28

I don’t disagree with you. But Ichiro was different than Williams, mays and Musial. It’s not entirely impossible to think of a group of 395, ONE of them is a power junkie. Flat out will not vote for a guy with a subpar slash rate. Not dogging Ichiro for that, again, he’s first ballot in my book…but .355 OBP/.757 OPS is NOT high quality. It’s not insane to see those numbers and say…meh, he didn’t move the needle for me. How ANYONE didn’t vote for teddy, Stan the may, and Willie is very insane. For Ichiro to get higher vote totals…well, THAT is insane

I would say that power-junkie voter doesn't know ball.

On the bolded, completely disagree. Current voters shouldn't be held to the precedent of idiot voters from the past.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by erock28

I don’t disagree with you. But Ichiro was different than Williams, mays and Musial. It’s not entirely impossible to think of a group of 395, ONE of them is a power junkie. Flat out will not vote for a guy with a subpar slash rate. Not dogging Ichiro for that, again, he’s first ballot in my book…but .355 OBP/.757 OPS is NOT high quality. It’s not insane to see those numbers and say…meh, he didn’t move the needle for me. How ANYONE didn’t vote for teddy, Stan the may, and Willie is very insane. For Ichiro to get higher vote totals…well, THAT is insane

I actually think this makes sense. A voter looked at Ichiro's stats -- .757 OPS and 60 bWAR -- and thought he wasn't unanimous worthy. Knowing he was guaranteed to be voted in, they gave their vote to someone else.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by Noles939913

You sound like the stereotypical rambling town lunatic. The fear mongering about discrimination against foreign players is hilarious though. I just find it funny that Ichiro is the one to set everyone off when far better players weren’t unanimously voted in either.

Well yeah, no sh*t Sherlock, stop being ignorant, the same sentiment applies to all those idiot voters that didn't vote for All-Time Great players. Whether it was their skin color, the country they were from, Anti-war, Anti-alcohol or Anti-Jewish. Except for the most egregious ethical violations, let on the field baseball do the talking, that's what you're voting for. At this point its a game to those fools that do that.

[Bcr]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

I actually think this makes sense. A voter looked at Ichiro's stats -- .757 OPS and 60 bWAR -- and thought he wasn't unanimous worthy. Knowing he was guaranteed to be voted in, they gave their vote to someone else.

If a voter uses those 2 stats to decide if someone should be voted in or not, then I would say that doesn't make sense. There is no world where it can make sense to not vote for Ichiro.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

I actually think this makes sense. A voter looked at Ichiro's stats -- .757 OPS and 60 bWAR -- and thought he wasn't unanimous worthy. Knowing he was guaranteed to be voted in, they gave their vote to someone else.

I didn't realize a voter was supposed to decide if a player is unanimous worthy before voting for them. I always thought their job was to vote for those they thought were hall worthy.

And if you think this voter had a full ballot so they left Ichiro off, I have a bridge to sell you. That is the only way your argument works, and is most certainly not the case.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

Maybe he/she was a Yankees fan. Maybe he doesn't like Asians. Maybe the voter put a few racks on the USA winning the WBC. Who the hell knows. You think you know why Ichiro wasn't voted in but only the voter can speak out on it. Maybe that's the reason, so said voter can get attention like a child. Either way, the excuse you brought up is illogical. I'd like to see the voter's ballot. Anyone with a brain knows that Alex Rodriguez and Manny Ramirez aren't getting in normally. If they voted for either of them and left Ichiro off, they are idiots. If they voted to McCann or someone else that was close to falling off, they are idiots. For players like that, that's the reason the Era's Committee's exist.

Why would a Yankees fan leave Ichiro off considering he played for the Yankees and was well liked when he was with the team?

[Handsome Wes]

Originally Posted by PuddleMonkey

I thought votes were going to be public now, has that changed?

Writers can check a box that allows them to remain anonymous, I believe.

[Handsome Wes]

Okay, so the Hall of Fame has a "future eligibles" list, and...
https://baseballhall.org/hall-of-fame/future-eligibles

I know there are a lot of opinions on here but I think that we can at least all agree that the upcoming classes are going to be really weak.

From my perspective, I only see five HOFers here.
- 2026: no one.
- 2027: Buster Posey
- 2028: Yadier Molina, Albert Pujols
- 2029: Miguel Cabrera, Joey Votto
- 2030: No one (yet, this could include other names like Greinke)

I'm sure we'll have discussions about, like, Cole Hamels or Adam Wainwright - and even about Joey Votto and Buster Posey - but I'm pretty sure that the consensus is we are hitting a dry season for the HOF.

[erock28]

Originally Posted by Handsome Wes

Okay, so the Hall of Fame has a "future eligibles" list, and...
https://baseballhall.org/hall-of-fame/future-eligibles

I know there are a lot of opinions on here but I think that we can at least all agree that the upcoming classes are going to be really weak.

From my perspective, I only see five HOFers here.
- 2026: no one.
- 2027: Buster Posey
- 2028: Yadier Molina, Albert Pujols
- 2029: Miguel Cabrera, Joey Votto
- 2030: No one (yet, this could include other names like Greinke)

I'm sure we'll have discussions about, like, Cole Hamels or Adam Wainwright - and even about Joey Votto and Buster Posey - but I'm pretty sure that the consensus is we are hitting a dry season for the HOF.

Not necessarily arguing against Posey, but it's pretty crazy to think a guy with under 5,000 official at bats could make the Hall. Even for a catcher.

As for class sizes, if baseball is gravitating towards larger classes - which seems pretty obvious - we might be an uptick in Vet Committee selections. To your point, the next few years is lacking in star power of new eligibles.

[erock28]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

I actually think this makes sense. A voter looked at Ichiro's stats -- .757 OPS and 60 bWAR -- and thought he wasn't unanimous worthy. Knowing he was guaranteed to be voted in, they gave their vote to someone else.

I would be more inclined to believe - assuming the missing vote was not vindictive by nature - it was a voter who is a super small Hall guy and views some of Ichiro's key stats such as OBP and OPS as unworthy of either: a) induction or b) first ballot induction.

[erock28]

Originally Posted by here2havefun

I would say that power-junkie voter doesn't know ball.

On the bolded, completely disagree. Current voters shouldn't be held to the precedent of idiot voters from the past.

Many of these writers are jock sniffers or wannabe players, so ignorance likely can be at play. To your bolded of my originally bolded, it's unfortunate, but the old school voting stats are etched in stone and likely stick in the mind of the older voters. That said, Ichiro is a distant 4th behind whatever order you want to stack Mays, Musial and Williams. Those are 3 of the best 10 position players of All Time - Ichiro isn't in their class.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by Bcr

If a voter uses those 2 stats to decide if someone should be voted in or not, then I would say that doesn't make sense. There is no world where it can make sense to not vote for Ichiro.

They used to use only 3, BA, HR, RBI and for pitchers it was W, ERA, Ks.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by erock28

Not necessarily arguing against Posey, but it's pretty crazy to think a guy with under 5,000 official at bats could make the Hall. Even for a catcher.

As for class sizes, if baseball is gravitating towards larger classes - which seems pretty obvious - we might be an uptick in Vet Committee selections. To your point, the next few years is lacking in star power of new eligibles.

Media loves Posey, he's going in. Again, there is zero consistency when it comes to longevity. Take Koufax, career cut short due to injury doesn't matter. Johan career cut short due to injury, voters response "he didn't play long enough."

[JRX]

Everyone needs to stop assuming baseball writers are 1 smart and 2 consistent. You get a weird mix of people many who went into sports because they couldn't cut it as a political reporter, looking at you Mike Lupica.

[erock28]

Originally Posted by JRX

Media loves Posey, he's going in. Again, there is zero consistency when it comes to longevity. Take Koufax, career cut short due to injury doesn't matter. Johan career cut short due to injury, voters response "he didn't play long enough."

Yoda would say, "The truth, you speak"

[cfern023]

Were all ballots returned? id be curious to see if they are missing one or if that voter abstained. Wasn't there a sanctimonious try hard who was doing just that a few years ago.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by cfern023

Were all ballots returned? id be curious to see if they are missing one or if that voter abstained. Wasn't there a sanctimonious try hard who was doing just that a few years ago.

I may be wrong on this, but I think if you go too many years with a blank ballot you lose your voting privileges. I think.

[fabiani12333]

So we all agree it was likely a small-Hall voter who didn't vote for Ichiro? But they must have voted for someone, or risked getting booted from voting in future elections?

If they're a bigot, why did they apparently vote for Mariano Rivera in 2019? It's hard to believe a voter with old-fashion views wasn't eligible to vote in 2019.

It's all confusing, folks. If cancel culture wasn't able to identify and cancel the one voter who didn't vote for Jeter, I doubt the mystery of who didn't vote for Ichiro-san will ever be solved.