PWCC Altered Cards Callout Thread - 1952 Topps Mantle etc

[3124508 on COMC]

Trimmed: 1948 Leaf Danny Murtaugh PSA 4 Cert #25959098

[3124508 on COMC]

Trimmed: 1948 Leaf Emil Leonard PSA 6 Cert #27364006

[3124508 on COMC]

Trimmed: 1948 Leaf Ed Miller PSA 5 Cert #27112986

[3124508 on COMC]

Trimmed: 1948 Leaf Pat Seerey #73 PSA 7.5 Cert #19606402

[3124508 on COMC]

Trimmed: 1948 Leaf Pat Seerey #73 PSA 7 Cert #19776759

[3124508 on COMC]

Trimmed: 1948 Leaf Dom DiMaggio #75 PSA 3 Cert #24822090

[3124508 on COMC]

Buyer beware. There is color added all over on the front to remove snow in the background of the card. And, as is customary for Moser's cards, it has a PWCC eye appeal sticker, although it was not initially sold with one after the recoloring.

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/2650738
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1591574
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1350164



PSA Cert #: 28151600

[corndog]

PSA Certification number 51020072

1951 Parkhurst Maurice Richard #4

This trimmed card is a current Ebay listing by PWCC.
A friend of Blowout tipped it our way.
The card was purchased anonymously through Robert Edwards Auctions in 2017.
The card has been stickered by Brent Huigens (for what it's worth).

Ebay listing: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1951-Parkhu...MAAOSwfcZgUTyS



Purchase history before trimming:

[3124508 on COMC]

The right edge is trimmed as well.

[pspa123]

It looks like the Bird was taken down, and the Richard (already) as well, nicely done.

[superdan49]

The Maurice Richard likely isn't a Moser trim due to Moser's reluctance at trimming top and bottom edges.

Nice work by all getting PWCC to take these down.

[CaptSpaulding]

Originally Posted by superdan49

The Maurice Richard likely isn't a Moser trim due to Moser's reluctance at trimming top and bottom edges.

Nice work by all getting PWCC to take these down.

Agreed, nice work fellas but sad that at this point, we are still playing catch me if ya can. Means there are plenty more bad cards being listed daily that should also be taken down.

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by CaptSpaulding

Agreed, nice work fellas but sad that at this point, we are still playing catch me if ya can. Means there are plenty more bad cards being listed daily that should also be taken down.

The auction houses should be making some sort of contribution for BODA’s work. Perhaps a charitable contribution.

[This is]

They are making charitable contributions.. to Jeffrey Lichtman's bank account.

[pip]

Originally Posted by superdan49

The Maurice Richard likely isn't a Moser trim due to Moser's reluctance at trimming top and bottom edges.

Nice work by all getting PWCC to take these down.

I agree. Moser probably would have given it a rough cut.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by CaptSpaulding

Agreed, nice work fellas but sad that at this point, we are still playing catch me if ya can. Means there are plenty more bad cards being listed daily that should also be taken down.

You mean the hobby isn't safe still?

[CaptSpaulding]

Originally Posted by pspa123

You mean the hobby isn't safe still?

Oh no it is much safer to alter cards and sell them than it ever has been.

[Bruins1993]

"PSA is aware of recent hobby message board activity and is conducting its own investigation into the matter.

We take consumer protection seriously, as evidenced by the thousands of altered and counterfeit cards that we reject each year, our on-going investments in grading and holder technology, and long track record of working with law enforcement to eliminate fraud from the hobby.

PSA processes more than two million cards each year and will not let isolated acts from a few dishonest actors deter consumer confidence in our brand. We will act against anyone who violates PSA’s Terms & Conditions by knowingly submitting altered cards for authentication and grading. While our actions will be conducted privately, please know that the impact will be felt by those attempting to mislead collectors for personal profit.

As with any financial transaction, if you are unsatisfied with your purchase, contact the seller to initiate a refund request. If the seller is unknown, you may send the card to PSA for review under our Financial Guarantee of Grade and Authenticity.

PSA is well-versed in combating fraud and we have addressed these issues in a professional and direct way for nearly thirty years. After all these years, our hobby is stronger than ever. Rest assured that PSA will not let the actions of a few have any lingering impact on the hobby or the PSA brand."

June 4, 2019 3:11PM


https://forums.collectors.com/discus...message-boards


How's that investigation going?

[Pink Pussycat]

Originally Posted by Bruins1993

How's that investigation going?

About the same as OJ Simpson's quest to find the "real" killer.

[corndog]

One of the latest card trimmers to be discovered is a prolific and active submitter to PSA of altered cards:

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1455615

Gregory Alan Libersher - Estero, Florida - Ebay ID: glibersher is a CARD TRIMMER

57 year old Greg Libersher, from Estero, Florida (near Naples) has been buying and selling on Ebay since February 2001.
The vast majority of his Ebay purchases are of raw cards with the bulk of the purchases being from Greg Morris Cards.
He is a high volume PSA card submitter with many purchases just in the past few months.
He likely has bulk subs currently waiting to be graded at PSA due to PSA's immense backlog.

All cards appear to have been graded by PSA.

Both his Ebay and VCP masked buying ID is g***r

I have been unable to find any photos of Libersher.
He is a golf pro at Naples Heritage Golf & Country Club in Naples, Florida.


Libersher received an award from PSA last year for his 1933 Goudey Indian Set Registry collection.






Image grab from Libersher's Ebay page:



Libersher's feedback received as a seller:



Libersher's feedback received as a buyer:



The Bobby Bonds 1969 Topps card below was used to tie Greg Libersher to being the buyer (masked ID g***r)
and seller (glibersher) and therefore responsible for altering a card that was graded by PSA.

This is a snip of the purchase made by Ebay masked ID g***r from Ebay seller nismocollection:



This is a snip of the sale made by Greg Libersher through his Ebay User ID glibersher:



This snip was pulled from Ebay seller nismocollection feedback left for others.
The Jerry Grote card that was purchased will be posted later. The glibersher masked ID is g***r:



This snip was pulled from glibershers feedback received as a buyer:



The above information ties Greg Libersher and his Ebay user ID glibersher
to being the buyer, alterer and seller of the Bobby Bonds card below:

PSA Cert #47269042

1969 Topps Bobby Bonds #630

Value gain of $67.50

PSA Set Registry: Kelly's Bobby Bonds Topps set

This card was purchased by masked buyer ID g***r (Greg Libersher) from Ebay seller nismocollection as a PSA 8 for $54.00 on January 19, 2020.

Same card was sold by Ebay seller glibersher (Greg Libersher) as a PSA 9 for $238.50 on November 23, 2020.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, stain or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed bottom edge.








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Other cards:


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PSA Cert #41871609

1968 Topps Tony Perez #130

Value gain of $2,066.06

PSA Set Registry: private

This card was purchased by masked buyer ID g***r (Greg Libersher) from Ebay seller gregmorriscards as a raw card for $63.00 on May 01, 2018.

Same card was sold by Ebay seller glibersher (Greg Libersher) as a PSA 10 for $2,129.06 on October 16, 2018.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, stain or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed bottom edge.










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PSA Cert #28405294

1960 Topps Ed Modzeleswsi #33

Value gain of $329.11

PSA Set Registry: none found

This card was purchased by masked buyer ID g***r (Greg Libersher) from Ebay seller gregmorriscards as a raw card for $5.55 on August 29, 2017.

Same card was sold by Ebay seller glibersher (Greg Libersher) as a PSA 9 for $334.66 on August 26, 2018.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, stain or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed bottom edge.











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PSA Cert #42953149

1970 Topps Jack Marin #36

Value gain of $519.00

PSA Set Registry: TGN 70-71 Topps BBKB PSA 8, 9, 10

This card was purchased by masked buyer ID g***r (Greg Libersher) from Ebay seller gregmorriscards as a raw card for $49.00 on November 17, 2018.

Same card was sold by Ebay seller glibersher (Greg Libersher) as a PSA 9 for $568.00 on May 20, 2019.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, stain or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed top edge.








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PSA Cert #47267915

1963 Parkhurst Toe Blake #34

Value gain of $67.50

PSA Set Registry: none found

This card was purchased by masked buyer ID g***r (Greg Libersher) from Ebay seller gregmorriscards as a raw card for $47.00 on April 14, 2020.

Same card was sold by Ebay seller glibersher (Greg Libersher) as a PSA 8 for $114.50 on January 16, 2021.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, stain or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed top edge.








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More cards to follow.

[Pink Pussycat]

Since the PSA Graders don't have rulers, perhaps they should just place the card in the holder to check out the amount of air space. The grader and the guy who places the card in the slab should be one and the same.

At least that could be a potential solution, since they can't seem to figure this grading thing out.

It sure might've helped with that ridiculously short Marin card.

[aro13]

When these cards are outed does anyone inform the people on the Set Registry who the card belongs to or is that way too time consuming?

[Friars]

Originally Posted by aro13

When these cards are outed does anyone inform the people on the Set Registry who the card belongs to or is that way too time consuming?

In this thread the gentleman who discover many of these have mentioned they attempt to reach out to current owners. For the most part proving a difficult task but they have reached some.

The real question is what is done with these PSA numbers in their database. If they arent striken or asterisk doesn't that suggest complicity on PSA's part?

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[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by Friars

The real question is what is done with these PSA numbers in their database. If they arent striken or asterisk doesn't that suggest complicity on PSA's part?

Yes, it is interesting.

If PSA doesn’t remove these many altered examples in their database despite the overwhelming evidence, it cements the fact that PSA is only selling their labels. The encased card doesn’t mean anything.

The same then goes for people who continue to pay meaningful premiums for PSA’s slabs - that they’re mostly flipping or collecting PSA’s labels and nothing else.

[JrFinest]

I'm going to just keep buying correctly labeled PSA - Altered slabbed cards at extremely low prices.

These high grade missed altered cards are to expensive for my taste. Lol.