happy Bobby Bonilla day

[scotthenrichs]

Happy Bobby Bo Day!

[Silent George]

and now happy Ryan Braun day, who starts a 10 year cycle in which the low budget Brewers will pay him 1.8 million dollars while also trying to make the playoffs.

[whitmm]

The final balloon payment of $9.1 million has either been paid or will be paid to Bruce Sutter this year. Braves have been paying him $1.12 million a year since the start of the 90's

[Skipscards]

[clocsta2323]

If you deep dive into the Bonilla contract, it worked out really well for the Mets

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by clocsta2323

If you deep dive into the Bonilla contract, it worked out really well for the Mets

$5.9 Million invested with Bernie Madoff plus $30 Million plus 8% interest vs just paying him the $5.9 Million. It did not work out well for the Mets. Except for the fun Bobby Bonilla Day PR stuff they do now that Cohen owns them.

[clocsta2323]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

$5.9 Million invested with Bernie Madoff plus $30 Million plus 8% interest vs just paying him the $5.9 Million. It did not work out well for the Mets. Except for the fun Bobby Bonilla Day PR stuff they do now that Cohen owns them.

They drafted David Wright with the comp pick they got for Mike Hampton who signed with the money they saved deferring Bonilla's $

They still defer contracts to this day, you get that, right?

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by clocsta2323

They drafted David Wright with the comp pick they got for Mike Hampton who signed with the money they saved deferring Bonilla's $

They still defer contracts to this day, you get that, right?

Nope. I don't get that. Explain it to me. Is that like when they tell the contract to come back next week?

[whitmm]

Let's not forget that Bonilla is also getting another $500,000 annually from the Orioles until 2029.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by Silent George

and now happy Ryan Braun day, who starts a 10 year cycle in which the low budget Brewers will pay him 1.8 million dollars while also trying to make the playoffs.

Don't know were you get that the Brewers are low budget. They are 19th in MLB in spending ($132 million this year). So more middle of the road. Plus many teams now are deferring money in large contracts. so $1.8 million a year for 10 years is not much. So bashing the Brewers for defering $18 million dollars over 10 years makes you look silly.

[Silent George]

Originally Posted by clocsta2323

They drafted David Wright with the comp pick they got for Mike Hampton who signed with the money they saved deferring Bonilla's $

They still defer contracts to this day, you get that, right?

They could have just not traded for an overweight 36 year old 3B coming off a terrible year who was due to make a huge amount of money for 1999 and 2000 dollars, when he'd have been 37. Then they'd have had even MORE money to sign Hampton, and do other things for the club. In fact, they'd have had more money the past few decades when the team was famously cash strapped.

But no, Bonilla and Hampton is just a classic internet ACTUALLY myth that has made it's way into fact. Besides the fact that there are endless opportunity cost scenarios where Hampton still could have been traded for - I mean, the Mets payroll went up 8 million dollars that year - they'd just spent 5.4 million on Todd Zeile and Jesse Orosco in early December - They ALSO got Derek Bell in the Hampton trade, and he cost $5 million alone! - this one doesn't pass the slightest research test when you look it up.

Hampton was traded for December 23, 1999.
Bonilla was released January 3rd, 2000.

So if Bonilla had suddenly decided that no, he wanted his full contract instead of signing a new one upon making his release official, the Mets still would have had Hampton, still would have gotten David Wright, and not ended up paying Bonilla for decades.

[DetroitTN]

The Mets need to sign everyone in the future to loophole contracts. Sign the best free agents for minimum MLB wages, then buy a pencil from the players for $200,000,000 or whatever their salary "would have been".

It isn't illegal to overpay for pencils, after all..

[Silent George]

Originally Posted by packman80

Don't know were you get that the Brewers are low budget. They are 19th in MLB in spending ($132 million this year). So more middle of the road. Plus many teams now are deferring money in large contracts. so $1.8 million a year for 10 years is not much. So bashing the Brewers for defering $18 million dollars over 10 years makes you look silly.

You can't imagine how sorry I feel for declaring the #19/30 team in payroll this year for being historically low budget. Many apologies to the entire Brewer Nation that would be offended at such a vicious attack, and to any person that has ever considered offering a deferred contract, as clearly my post was over the top with crazy, off the wall insults for such behavior. Thank you "packman" for your unbiased assessment, I truly do look silly over such a crazy, emotional, absolutely false charge that the Brewers are historically low spenders, and having 1.8 million fewer dollars a year might inhibit them from needed improvements over the next decade.

I am the silly one, not you, and you deserve all the incoming praise from fellow Blowout posters for your rightful putting me in my place that wasn't at all you being an overly sensitive Karen about the finances of your favorite team. Ich Bin Ein Brauer!

[seanbros55]

Originally Posted by Silent George

You can't imagine how sorry I feel for declaring the #19/30 team in payroll this year for being historically low budget. Many apologies to the entire Brewer Nation that would be offended at such a vicious attack, and to any person that has ever considered offering a deferred contract, as clearly my post was over the top with crazy, off the wall insults for such behavior. Thank you "packman" for your unbiased assessment, I truly do look silly over such a crazy, emotional, absolutely false charge that the Brewers are historically low spenders, and having 1.8 million fewer dollars a year might inhibit them from needed improvements over the next decade.

I am the silly one, not you, and you deserve all the incoming praise from fellow Blowout posters for your rightful putting me in my place that wasn't at all you being an overly sensitive Karen about the finances of your favorite team. Ich Bin Ein Brauer!

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[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by Silent George

You can't imagine how sorry I feel for declaring the #19/30 team in payroll this year for being historically low budget. Many apologies to the entire Brewer Nation that would be offended at such a vicious attack, and to any person that has ever considered offering a deferred contract, as clearly my post was over the top with crazy, off the wall insults for such behavior. Thank you "packman" for your unbiased assessment, I truly do look silly over such a crazy, emotional, absolutely false charge that the Brewers are historically low spenders, and having 1.8 million fewer dollars a year might inhibit them from needed improvements over the next decade.

I am the silly one, not you, and you deserve all the incoming praise from fellow Blowout posters for your rightful putting me in my place that wasn't at all you being an overly sensitive Karen about the finances of your favorite team. Ich Bin Ein Brauer!

[packman80]

Originally Posted by Silent George

You can't imagine how sorry I feel for declaring the #19/30 team in payroll this year for being historically low budget. Many apologies to the entire Brewer Nation that would be offended at such a vicious attack, and to any person that has ever considered offering a deferred contract, as clearly my post was over the top with crazy, off the wall insults for such behavior. Thank you "packman" for your unbiased assessment, I truly do look silly over such a crazy, emotional, absolutely false charge that the Brewers are historically low spenders, and having 1.8 million fewer dollars a year might inhibit them from needed improvements over the next decade.

I am the silly one, not you, and you deserve all the incoming praise from fellow Blowout posters for your rightful putting me in my place that wasn't at all you being an overly sensitive Karen about the finances of your favorite team. Ich Bin Ein Brauer!

So the smallest market team in MLB being 19th in payroll. I would not say that's bad at all. But I guess I should go by what you say. Also you want to call someone a Karen maybe you need to look in the mirror with that rant you went on. Enjoy your high horse curious George.

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Let's not forget that Bonilla is also getting another $500,000 annually from the Orioles until 2029.

It’s good work when you can get it ….

[Silent George]

Originally Posted by packman80

So the smallest market team in MLB being 19th in payroll. I would not say that's bad at all. But I guess I should go by what you say. Also you want to call someone a Karen maybe you need to look in the mirror with that rant you went on. Enjoy your high horse curious George.

Hope you feel better soon, Kato.

[ewokpelts]

Originally Posted by Silent George

and now happy Ryan Braun day, who starts a 10 year cycle in which the low budget Brewers will pay him 1.8 million dollars while also trying to make the playoffs.

This happens a lot. The Bonilla case is an outlier as that was a buyout of a contract. The Braun payments are part of the deal he signed in 2011.

[Eric1285]

Pretty sure the Wilpons' Madoff money didn't actually all go poof. I think the settlement had them "losing" just $10 million or so, but the reality is they were most likely net winners. Just not nearly as much as they thought.

[ScooterD]

Originally Posted by ewokpelts

This happens a lot. The Bonilla case is an outlier as that was a buyout of a contract. The Braun payments are part of the deal he signed in 2011.

Honest question - could (have) the Brewers tried to void the contract due to fraud or concealment due to his steroid use during the 2011 season?

[ewokpelts]

Originally Posted by ScooterD

Honest question - could (have) the Brewers tried to void the contract due to fraud or concealment due to his steroid use during the 2011 season?

It’s possible, but you open a can of worms with the PA and future contracts.

[ewokpelts]

Originally Posted by Eric1285

Pretty sure the Wilpons' Madoff money didn't actually all go poof. I think the settlement had them "losing" just $10 million or so, but the reality is they were most likely net winners. Just not nearly as much as they thought.

Some of the feds thought that they were part of the scheme beyond just as an investor.

[bbteamw]

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...d-180k-auction

[packman80]

Happy Bobby Bonilla Day! Another $1.2 million check to him and only 12 more years to go!

Also Happy Max Scherzer day! Nationals send him a $15 million check today and will get 5 more over the next 5 July 1st (4 from the Nats and 1 from the Dodgers)