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Kobefan · 01-13-2019, 07:35 PM

Are there any backdoor cards for 96-97 basketball legacy? Is there is comprehensive list of sets with backdoored cards?

AbraCalabro · 01-13-2019, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Kobefan

Are there any backdoor cards for 96-97 basketball legacy? Is there is comprehensive list of sets with backdoored cards?

I have not seen any 96/97 backdoored cards, the problem year is 97/98. I have not seen any from 98/99 either. If you have issues or questions with a particular card, definitely ask. Some cards from 96/97 are cut off center, but no backdoor copies that I know of.

mk6283 · 02-12-2019, 01:08 AM

Can I get some help with this one. Backdoored or original?

Thanks,
Michael

mk6283 · 02-12-2019, 01:12 AM

Sorry, here are better pics and here is the auction link:
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F163529485208

Thanks,
Michael

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CastleBeachCards · 02-12-2019, 02:22 AM

I've seen Jordans that are bankruptcy cards sell for a good percentage of the pack pulled version, there is a market for them. What about other players?

mondogenerator · 02-12-2019, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Ptaz4Prez

Thank you so much for this thread. I have started to PC Damon Stoudamire over the last year and had been going back and forth with this seller today on the Legacy Stoudamire. A "back door" copy is not what I was intending to purchase and for that reason it's an easy pass.

Seller was very rude and obnoxious throughout messages and could definitely tell this was not his first rodeo.

Really wish i PC'd somebody out of the 90s to avoid this mess. Thanks again OP and all people who posted for the valuable info going forward!

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Another Damon Stoudamire collector! we are legit about 4-5 strong now!

together we shall inherit the earth!

AbraCalabro · 02-12-2019, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by mk6283

Can I get some help with this one. Backdoored or original?

Thanks,
Michael

Card looks good. Go for it, if you like the condition, etc.

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Originally Posted by Kenfancypants

I've seen Jordans that are bankruptcy cards sell for a good percentage of the pack pulled version, there is a market for them. What about other players?

Buyers probably didn't know they were bankruptcy/sheet cuts, or they were content with buying incomplete cards over paying the cost of a finished one. Other than maybe Kobe, under the same circumstances mentioned above, they either sell low, or don't sell.

Stifle · 02-12-2019, 07:26 AM

[QUOTE=mc1;13991992]Is a back-doored or bankruptcy card considered a fake? They aren’t counterfeit, they’re just not pack-inserted cards. Same as calling sheet-cut cards fake, they aren’t fake. They just aren’t the original cards as inserted in packs. When someone mentions fake I think of the overseas counterfeits they have found their way into the market.

I also don’t think they have much value but I wouldn’t say they have “no value”.[/QUOTE

The cards in question are produced by the companies in case of damages. How many times do members complain about rare cards having production or damage issues. Companies would create extra cards in order to replace cards that customers would send in as damaged. They are not fakes or have zero value. Value is in what any consumer wishes to obtain.

The seller should let the consumer know that it is not a pack pulled card but it's produced by the company as a replacement. How many replacements did they produce. Probably half to equal number of the print run depending on the run.

mk6283 · 02-12-2019, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

Card looks good. Go for it, if you like the condition, etc.

Buyers probably didn't know they were bankruptcy/sheet cuts, or they were content with buying incomplete cards over paying the cost of a finished one. Other than maybe Kobe, under the same circumstances mentioned above, they either sell low, or don't sell.

Thanks. Still confused though. Looking at pics of other copies of this Duncan card in PSA and BGS slabs, it seems like there are 3 types of /250 serial number stamps — a gold stamp, a silver stamp (mine), and a blue stamp. Why is that?

Thanks,
Michael

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AbraCalabro · 02-12-2019, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by mk6283

Thanks. Still confused though. Looking at pics of other copies of this Duncan card in PSA and BGS slabs, it seems like there are 3 types of /250 serial number stamps — a gold stamp, a silver stamp (mine), and a blue stamp. Why is that?

Thanks,
Michael

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Sure thing.

Regarding the serial numbering, let's address the blue foil stamping first. These are only found on Legacy Collection parallels and should always be numbered to 100 for the 97/98 release.

The silver and gold foil stamping will be found on the base copies of Row 0 cards, you will never see a base Row 1, Row 2, or Row 3 with any serial numbering. The coloring is something that I've discussed with other Flair Showcase fans and the general consensus is that the gold stamps were on the initial print run and the silver stamps were found on replacements whenever a defective card was sent back to Fleer.

Another thing I want to touch on, just for future reference, is that there is no similar color variation with Legacy Collection cards when they were replaced by Fleer, they would have come back with the same blue stamping every time.

Silver/Gold on base
Blue on Legacy Collection
Purple for Masterpiece 1/1 cards

mk6283 · 02-12-2019, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

Sure thing.

Regarding the serial numbering, let's address the blue foil stamping first. These are only found on Legacy Collection parallels and should always be numbered to 100 for the 97/98 release.

The silver and gold foil stamping will be found on the base copies of Row 0 cards, you will never see a base Row 1, Row 2, or Row 3 with any serial numbering. The coloring is something that I've discussed with other Flair Showcase fans and the general consensus is that the gold stamps were on the initial print run and the silver stamps were found on replacements whenever a defective card was sent back to Fleer.

Another thing I want to touch on, just for future reference, is that there is no similar color variation with Legacy Collection cards when they were replaced by Fleer, they would have come back with the same blue stamping every time.

Silver/Gold on base

Blue on Legacy Collection

Purple for Masterpiece 1/1 cards

Awesome. Very helpful. Thanks very much!!!
Michael

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Kobefan · 02-12-2019, 10:46 AM

Yeah, most are not worth much. See these auctions below:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-98-Fla...7GNNF3e0-Q-pUA
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-98-Fla...HKZmpPMuqNTwQg

CastleBeachCards · 03-05-2019, 06:24 PM

So, I bought the Dennis Rodman row 1 legacy back in October.............reading this thread a few weeks ago I was curious and pulled it out of my collection and realized (thanks to the knowledge on this thread) that I had a bankruptcy version (Not pack pulled)

I was luckily still within time frame for a refund.........but didn't know what to expect.

I got my refund yesterday and the seller was none too happy.

I expressed that he should include that the versions he is selling aren't pack pulled and include that info in his auctions.

Here is his latest response:New message from: etheljean2014 (2,757Red Star)
"They are not aftermarket cut cards. The cards are a variation legacy, which is well known in the market and completely able to see without legacy blue stamp on the front. There is nothing to hide. The cards are legacies, pure and simple, and worth as much or MORE than the ones with legacy stamped on the front because they are variation type errors. They are numbered to 100, blue stamping, the cards are exceedingly rare, people "up in arms" about them should simply just not buy or collect them. They have been bought and sold for 30 years and are very popular in the collecting community. Abracalabro and his ilk are idiots who are simply haters who don't have the money to buy these cards and are jealous of people with the Rodmans, Jordans, Barkleys, etc. They are a stain on the collecting community and no one gives two craps about them or their posts. Everyone laughs at them actually in the collecting community. Those people on the blowout boards are clowns. They are 10 year olds kids with no money sitting behind a keyboard talking about things they do not understand nor do they know about."

ikelove500 · 03-05-2019, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenfancypants

So, I bought the Dennis Rodman row 1 legacy back in October.............reading this thread a few weeks ago I was curious and pulled it out of my collection and realized (thanks to the knowledge on this thread) that I had a bankruptcy version (Not pack pulled)

I was luckily still within time frame for a refund.........but didn't know what to expect.

I got my refund yesterday and the seller was none too happy.

I expressed that he should include that the versions he is selling aren't pack pulled and include that info in his auctions.

Here is his latest response:New message from: etheljean2014 (2,757Red Star)
"They are not aftermarket cut cards. The cards are a variation legacy, which is well known in the market and completely able to see without legacy blue stamp on the front. There is nothing to hide. The cards are legacies, pure and simple, and worth as much or MORE than the ones with legacy stamped on the front because they are variation type errors. They are numbered to 100, blue stamping, the cards are exceedingly rare, people "up in arms" about them should simply just not buy or collect them. They have been bought and sold for 30 years and are very popular in the collecting community. Abracalabro and his ilk are idiots who are simply haters who don't have the money to buy these cards and are jealous of people with the Rodmans, Jordans, Barkleys, etc. They are a stain on the collecting community and no one gives two craps about them or their posts. Everyone laughs at them actually in the collecting community. Those people on the blowout boards are clowns. They are 10 year olds kids with no money sitting behind a keyboard talking about things they do not understand nor do they know about."

I remember this card. I got excited and put a reasonable offer in and then realized it was missing the blue foil. Thank goodness he countered me and I messaged him about this being backdoored and he messaged about how it was real. He had/has a ton of backdoored legacy cards from football and basketball. Many of his listings have become examples of backdoored cards. I am glad you were able to get your money back. I do wonder if the knowledge put out on these boards have affected any of his sales. I would imagine there are plenty of buyers that don’t know what they are actually buying.

On a side note, how do I get into the “actual collecting community”?

AbraCalabro · 03-05-2019, 07:12 PM

Hey man, very happy you were able to get your money back.

Thanks for posting that message, the level of satisfaction in the irony it contains is beyond measure.

babyfaceposey · 03-05-2019, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

Hey man, very happy you were able to get your money back.

Thanks for posting that message, the level of satisfaction in the irony it contains is beyond measure.

You are poor.

Round Mound · 03-06-2019, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenfancypants

I've seen Jordans that are bankruptcy cards sell for a good percentage of the pack pulled version, there is a market for them. What about other players?

Yes. I bought some Barkley panels for my PC

AbraCalabro · 03-06-2019, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by babyfaceposey

You are poor.

Hey mister, spare some change? I need to buy some unfinished oddball cards.

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Originally Posted by Round Mound

Yes. I bought some Barkley panels for my PC

I own some uncut sheets, but I paid less than the cost of one single finished Legacy card, significantly less.

mk6283 · 03-12-2020, 11:39 AM

Can someone please confirm that this is a backdoor copy. I believe it is since it’s missing Rodman’s name in foil on the top left of the back.

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F324100354537

Thanks,
Michael

frisbeesteve · 03-12-2020, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by mk6283

Can someone please confirm that this is a backdoor copy. I believe it is since it’s missing Rodman’s name in foil on the top left of the back.

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F324100354537

Thanks,
Michael

Confirmed. It's also missing the Legacy Collection stamp on the front.

mk6283 · 03-14-2020, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by frisbeesteve

Confirmed. It's also missing the Legacy Collection stamp on the front.

Thanks man!

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AbraCalabro Temporarily Suspended Join Date: May 2013 Location: Believe in Saint Abra. Posts: 10,748	Hey man, very happy you were able to get your money back. Thanks for posting that message, the level of satisfaction in the irony it contains is beyond measure. __________________ -FREE TRISTAN- LeBron Exquisite /99 - altered & damaged - A master class in corruption. NEVER FORGET: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1255123

03-12-2020, 11:39 AM	#69
mk6283 Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 514 mksportscards	Can someone please confirm that this is a backdoor copy. I believe it is since it’s missing Rodman’s name in foil on the top left of the back. https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F324100354537 Thanks, Michael __________________ Collector of MJ, Gretzky, Jeter, Favre, 90s, Golds, and more. Instagram: @mksportscards

01-13-2019, 07:35 PM	#51
Kobefan Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,203 kobefan321	Are there any backdoor cards for 96-97 basketball legacy? Is there is comprehensive list of sets with backdoored cards?

02-12-2019, 02:22 AM	#55
CastleBeachCards Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: St. Clair Shores, Mi Posts: 1,346 castlebeachcards castlebeachcards	I've seen Jordans that are bankruptcy cards sell for a good percentage of the pack pulled version, there is a market for them. What about other players?

02-12-2019, 07:26 AM	#58
Stifle Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: I've met great collectors throughout MI and N. Indiana / CHI. Posts: 9,653 Stifle	[QUOTE=mc1;13991992]Is a back-doored or bankruptcy card considered a fake? They aren’t counterfeit, they’re just not pack-inserted cards. Same as calling sheet-cut cards fake, they aren’t fake. They just aren’t the original cards as inserted in packs. When someone mentions fake I think of the overseas counterfeits they have found their way into the market. I also don’t think they have much value but I wouldn’t say they have “no value”.[/QUOTE The cards in question are produced by the companies in case of damages. How many times do members complain about rare cards having production or damage issues. Companies would create extra cards in order to replace cards that customers would send in as damaged. They are not fakes or have zero value. Value is in what any consumer wishes to obtain. The seller should let the consumer know that it is not a pack pulled card but it's produced by the company as a replacement. How many replacements did they produce. Probably half to equal number of the print run depending on the run.

02-12-2019, 10:46 AM	#62
Kobefan Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,203 kobefan321	Yeah, most are not worth much. See these auctions below: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-98-Fla...7GNNF3e0-Q-pUA https://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-98-Fla...HKZmpPMuqNTwQg

03-05-2019, 06:24 PM	#63
CastleBeachCards Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: St. Clair Shores, Mi Posts: 1,346 castlebeachcards castlebeachcards	So, I bought the Dennis Rodman row 1 legacy back in October.............reading this thread a few weeks ago I was curious and pulled it out of my collection and realized (thanks to the knowledge on this thread) that I had a bankruptcy version (Not pack pulled) I was luckily still within time frame for a refund.........but didn't know what to expect. I got my refund yesterday and the seller was none too happy. I expressed that he should include that the versions he is selling aren't pack pulled and include that info in his auctions. Here is his latest response:New message from: etheljean2014 (2,757Red Star) "They are not aftermarket cut cards. The cards are a variation legacy, which is well known in the market and completely able to see without legacy blue stamp on the front. There is nothing to hide. The cards are legacies, pure and simple, and worth as much or MORE than the ones with legacy stamped on the front because they are variation type errors. They are numbered to 100, blue stamping, the cards are exceedingly rare, people "up in arms" about them should simply just not buy or collect them. They have been bought and sold for 30 years and are very popular in the collecting community. Abracalabro and his ilk are idiots who are simply haters who don't have the money to buy these cards and are jealous of people with the Rodmans, Jordans, Barkleys, etc. They are a stain on the collecting community and no one gives two craps about them or their posts. Everyone laughs at them actually in the collecting community. Those people on the blowout boards are clowns. They are 10 year olds kids with no money sitting behind a keyboard talking about things they do not understand nor do they know about."