BNC Shill Bidding on his own Cards? Lebron 2003 Exquisite Limited Logos #23/75 - Page 3

pcptrade · 02-10-2019, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RYBOWSKI97

i do and it doesnt go to eric or bnc

Any ownership or inspections/odometer reading checks outside of North Carolina?

theleica · 02-10-2019, 01:24 PM

Is there any way to figure out if the other bids on this card are people that normally bid on buynicecard’s eBay auctions? Maybe there are other helpers to create a “legitimate sale” to establish a new “value” since one cannot bid against themselves.

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RYBOWSKI97 · 02-10-2019, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by pcptrade

any ownership or inspections/odometer reading checks outside of north carolina?

no it goes to a single owner since the original purchase. Doesnt mean someone isnt subleasing unit etc.

Deadshot · 02-10-2019, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Just wait for them to appear on his site!

After I posted that, I cross-referenced feedback and it all lines up.

dadisthebossrightmom (2) takes a picture of a card BNC owns/consigns and sells it on eBay. The card sells for over $150k.

A bidder with a feedback score of 3882 (which happens to be the same score as BNC) placed several bids on the card, including one for $65k.

That same person who placed these bids bought an Anthony Davis silver Prizm rookie from a seller named carmen.b123 on January 5th.

During the last month, carmen.b123 left positive feedback to BNC eBay profile

"Good buyer, prompt payment, valued customer, highly recommended."

That looks pretty definitive to me.

pcptrade · 02-10-2019, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by theleica

Is there any way to figure out if the other bids on this card are people that normally bid on buynicecard’s eBay auctions? Maybe there are other helpers to create a “legitimate sale” to establish a new “value” since one cannot bid against themselves.

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Unfortunately, BNC has not sold any of his cards as an auction listing on ebay, so it is tough to link the other bidders to him since we do not know their real ebay user ID's. BNC's listings were all BIN/BO listings.

There were only three other bidders past $75K price point on the Lebron Limited Logos. Two of them have not bid on any other cards in the past 30 days

https://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI....p2471758.m4792

https://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI....p2471758.m4792

pcptrade · 02-10-2019, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Deadshot

Here is the feedback she left for him on the AD

Also this card sold by pc_sportscards (5315) who left a feedback for BNC (3882 feedback score). It is above the feedback left by ebay user carmenb123. Khaldrogo pointed it out earlier

https://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI....m=153271522207

theLUCKYshow · 02-10-2019, 02:22 PM

Do we know BNC owned the card, or was it consigned?

If BNC owned it, he's a shiller.

If BNC was the consignor, then there's a chance the owner decided to sell it himself using BNCs old pics on a new Ebay account, and BNC happened to be one of the bidders.

Has anyone reached out to the seller?

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pcptrade · 02-10-2019, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by theLUCKYshow

Do we know BNC owned the card, or was it consigned?

If BNC owned it, he's a shiller.

If BNC was the consignor, then there's a chance the owner decided to sell it himself using BNCs old pics on a new Ebay account, and BNC happened to be one of the bidders.

Has anyone reached out to the seller?

I emailed the seller twice but no response. Even if BNC was the consignor, he was bidding on an item he was consigning, which is shady and fraudulent. Either way (owning vs consigning), it looks shady and fraudulent.

trmpetyjo · 02-10-2019, 02:45 PM

long shot here but might as well post it, here is a link to one of the 2 items dadisthebossright mom sold. If you look at the pictures closely you can see reflections of the person taking the pictures. Is it enough to identify the seller? You decide

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Batman-32-D...p2047675.l2557

frisbeesteve · 02-10-2019, 02:48 PM

I'm with Geech that BNC must mathematically be the bidder, but if anyone wants to increase the odds more, even possibly up to 100%, here are the ways that can be done:

If you want 100% certainty, then complete a transaction with BNC on eBay, where you'll have an opportunity to leave feedback. Just prior to leaving feedback, recheck both his feedback number as well as the mystery bidder. Then proceed to leave feedback and IMMEDIATELY recheck both BNC and mystery feedback. If they both have moved up (or down) as per feedback left, then certainty will be 100%.

If completing a transaction with BNC is not possible or desired, then someone can frequently monitor both BNC's feedback number as well as mystery bidder's. If they both remain in sync for the coming days/weeks/months, then I think this would qualify as evidence even further "beyond a reasonable doubt" than Geech's math.

Deadshot · 02-10-2019, 02:54 PM

This card sold through Goldin Auctions in the spring of 2017. Here's a thread about it. One interesting sidenote is the second poster is cardsdownunder, the person who started "the" LeBron thread and seemingly disappeared not long after.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1090278

Deadshot · 02-10-2019, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by frisbeesteve

I'm with Geech that BNC must mathematically be the bidder, but if anyone wants to increase the odds more, even possibly up to 100%, here are the ways that can be done:

If you want 100% certainty, then complete a transaction with BNC on eBay, where you'll have an opportunity to leave feedback. Just prior to leaving feedback, recheck both his feedback number as well as the mystery bidder. Then proceed to leave feedback and IMMEDIATELY recheck both BNC and mystery feedback. If they both have moved up (or down) as per feedback left, then certainty will be 100%.

If completing a transaction with BNC is not possible or desired, then someone can frequently monitor both BNC's feedback number as well as mystery bidder's. If they both remain in sync for the coming days/weeks/months, then I think this would qualify as evidence even further "beyond a reasonable doubt" than Geech's math.

I like this. Thank you!

KhalDrogo · 02-10-2019, 03:06 PM

The eBay auction item uses the Heritage auction pictures. The item on BNC's website uses different pictures. The seller does not own the 23/75 card. He listed the item as PSA 10 in the title. He could own a PSA 10 copy, but with only three copies and no image of the card, I think that is extremely unlikely.

Now why the hell is BNC bidding on this item that has an image of the card he either owns or is consigning? I have no clue.

Deadshot · 02-10-2019, 03:15 PM

I'm trying to trace the ownership of this thing and I ran into this. In no way am I implying boogielabs did anything wrong, but that Kobe patch jumped out at me. I know it was talked about on the LeBron thread. It's 10/50 - the one that was swapped out at one point. It looks like he posted the Kobe and the LeBron on an IG account with the same wood grain background. The account can't be pulled up anymore but Google images archived some of the photos

KhalDrogo · 02-10-2019, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Deadshot

I'm trying to trace the ownership of this thing and I ran into this. In no way am I implying boogielabs did anything wrong, but that Kobe patch jumped out at me. I know it was talked about on the LeBron thread. It's 10/50 - the one that was swapped out at one point. It looks like he posted the Kobe and the LeBron on an IG account with the same wood grain background. The account can't be pulled up anymore but Google images archived some of the photos

So boogielabs ghosted his Instagram sometime between the start of the year and now?

Wings · 02-10-2019, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by theLUCKYshow

Do we know BNC owned the card, or was it consigned?

If BNC owned it, he's a shiller.

If BNC was the consignor, then there's a chance the owner decided to sell it himself using BNCs old pics on a new Ebay account, and BNC happened to be one of the bidders.

Has anyone reached out to the seller?

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Come on, there are a few ethical issues with a consignor bidding on a card he currently has for sale.

Wings · 02-10-2019, 03:27 PM

BNC doesn't even have it for sale, he has it as trade only. That implies to me he owns it.

Deadshot · 02-10-2019, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

So boogielabs ghosted his Instagram sometime between the start of the year and now?

I can't find it at least. But I don't want to imply this person did anything wrong. I just noticed the two cards which have been talked about before.

KhalDrogo · 02-10-2019, 03:31 PM

Most likely explanation is that boogielabs is consigning the card with BNC, which is perfectly fine. The circumstances of this "auction" are baffling.

Here is his cached Instagram.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&client=safari

ninjacookies · 02-10-2019, 03:34 PM

I can confirm the sale is legit and the card was paid for in person via a 150k cashiers check. Scans upon request.

Deadshot · 02-10-2019, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Most likely explanation is that boogielabs is consigning the card with BNC, which is perfectly fine. The circumstances of this "auction" are baffling.

Here is his cached Instagram.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&client=safari

Looks like he posted it 4 months ago and used the present tense.

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I’ve posted this before in the first days of Instagram but this is my favorite card That I own. 2003-04 Upper Deck Exquisite Lebron James Limited Logos Jersey # 23/75. Nice patch. Could you imagine what the 23/99 rpa is worth today? Wow

KhalDrogo · 02-10-2019, 03:44 PM

The four months isn't entirely accurate because it depends on when the page was cached. But if I remember correctly from when I was looking at the page during the Lebron fiasco, that post was post-Heritage auction.

boogielabs taking down his Instagram is pretty funny if you ask me. I guess these guys don't realize that the internet is forever. It may be harder to track the lineage of these cards, but if it's been posted somewhere, we can do it.

pcptrade · 02-10-2019, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Most likely explanation is that boogielabs is consigning the card with BNC, which is perfectly fine. The circumstances of this "auction" are baffling.

Here is his cached Instagram.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&client=safari

Does anyone know if boogielabs has an eBay account. Is he located in North Carolina? Does he own a Ferrari F12 berlinetta?

AbraCalabro · 02-10-2019, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by pcptrade

Does anyone know if boogielabs has an eBay account. Is he located in North Carolina? Does he own a FerrarinF12 berlinetta?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2003-04-Exq...EAAOSwO-pcCdWL

College Station, Texas

pcptrade · 02-10-2019, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2003-04-Exq...EAAOSwO-pcCdWL

College Station, Texas

LOL, boogielabs was also one of the bidder on the Limited Logos

BNC-1 by pcp trade, on Flickr

boogielabs by pcp trade, on Flickr

02-10-2019, 01:24 PM	#52
theleica Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 4,381	BNC Shill Bidding on his own Cards? Lebron 2003 Exquisite Limited Logos #23/75 Is there any way to figure out if the other bids on this card are people that normally bid on buynicecard’s eBay auctions? Maybe there are other helpers to create a “legitimate sale” to establish a new “value” since one cannot bid against themselves. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Last edited by theleica; 02-10-2019 at 01:26 PM.

02-10-2019, 02:22 PM	#57
theLUCKYshow Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Novato, CA Posts: 5,455 theluckshow	Do we know BNC owned the card, or was it consigned? If BNC owned it, he's a shiller. If BNC was the consignor, then there's a chance the owner decided to sell it himself using BNCs old pics on a new Ebay account, and BNC happened to be one of the bidders. Has anyone reached out to the seller? Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk __________________ Always looking for high end Harry Giles AKA the Future

02-10-2019, 02:54 PM	#61
Deadshot Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 7,694	This card sold through Goldin Auctions in the spring of 2017. Here's a thread about it. One interesting sidenote is the second poster is cardsdownunder, the person who started "the" LeBron thread and seemingly disappeared not long after. https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1090278 __________________ He said he name was “E”, so I introduced myself as “G”...The license plate said “IMNBITZ” or “IMNBISZ” or something. - G YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPuD3WYJ0rkpLqDdyavC2WA

02-10-2019, 03:06 PM	#63
KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 41,325	The eBay auction item uses the Heritage auction pictures. The item on BNC's website uses different pictures. The seller does not own the 23/75 card. He listed the item as PSA 10 in the title. He could own a PSA 10 copy, but with only three copies and no image of the card, I think that is extremely unlikely. Now why the hell is BNC bidding on this item that has an image of the card he either owns or is consigning? I have no clue. __________________ I love PSA!

02-10-2019, 03:15 PM	#64
Deadshot Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 7,694	I'm trying to trace the ownership of this thing and I ran into this. In no way am I implying boogielabs did anything wrong, but that Kobe patch jumped out at me. I know it was talked about on the LeBron thread. It's 10/50 - the one that was swapped out at one point. It looks like he posted the Kobe and the LeBron on an IG account with the same wood grain background. The account can't be pulled up anymore but Google images archived some of the photos __________________ He said he name was “E”, so I introduced myself as “G”...The license plate said “IMNBITZ” or “IMNBISZ” or something. - G YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPuD3WYJ0rkpLqDdyavC2WA

02-10-2019, 02:45 PM	#59
trmpetyjo Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 1,568	long shot here but might as well post it, here is a link to one of the 2 items dadisthebossright mom sold. If you look at the pictures closely you can see reflections of the person taking the pictures. Is it enough to identify the seller? You decide https://www.ebay.com/itm/Batman-32-D...p2047675.l2557

02-10-2019, 02:48 PM	#60
frisbeesteve Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: SoCal Posts: 2,682 frisbeesteve frisbeesteve	I'm with Geech that BNC must mathematically be the bidder, but if anyone wants to increase the odds more, even possibly up to 100%, here are the ways that can be done: If you want 100% certainty, then complete a transaction with BNC on eBay, where you'll have an opportunity to leave feedback. Just prior to leaving feedback, recheck both his feedback number as well as the mystery bidder. Then proceed to leave feedback and IMMEDIATELY recheck both BNC and mystery feedback. If they both have moved up (or down) as per feedback left, then certainty will be 100%. If completing a transaction with BNC is not possible or desired, then someone can frequently monitor both BNC's feedback number as well as mystery bidder's. If they both remain in sync for the coming days/weeks/months, then I think this would qualify as evidence even further "beyond a reasonable doubt" than Geech's math.

02-10-2019, 03:27 PM	#67
Wings Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Omaha Posts: 5,396	BNC doesn't even have it for sale, he has it as trade only. That implies to me he owns it.

02-10-2019, 03:31 PM	#69
KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 41,325	Most likely explanation is that boogielabs is consigning the card with BNC, which is perfectly fine. The circumstances of this "auction" are baffling. Here is his cached Instagram. http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&client=safari __________________ I love PSA! Last edited by KhalDrogo; 02-10-2019 at 03:35 PM.

02-10-2019, 03:34 PM	#70
ninjacookies Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: All the girls see the (boi)/ Look at his flips / Look at his kards / All they say is (oh boi). Posts: 57,044	I can confirm the sale is legit and the card was paid for in person via a 150k cashiers check. Scans upon request.

02-10-2019, 03:44 PM	#72
KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 41,325	The four months isn't entirely accurate because it depends on when the page was cached. But if I remember correctly from when I was looking at the page during the Lebron fiasco, that post was post-Heritage auction. boogielabs taking down his Instagram is pretty funny if you ask me. I guess these guys don't realize that the internet is forever. It may be harder to track the lineage of these cards, but if it's been posted somewhere, we can do it. __________________ I love PSA!