Rookie card re-issued as a buyback auto...still a RC? - Page 3

GoTribe!!! · 07-19-2019, 06:43 PM

It's a rookie. Signed and re-issued yes, still a rookie though.

Archangel1775 · 07-19-2019, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by towerymt

I like the near 50/50 split. That's what I figured...I'm not sure which side I favor, but it's a Topps issued, autographed US300 which is pretty cool, and it's the only one.

I wonder, is there is a Chrome Update (#HMT55) auto 1/1 in the same series?

Its the only 1 for 2019 in that set. There will be more.........

altaeria · 07-19-2019, 07:14 PM

Technically it’s a 2019 product now- whatever that means.

blaze · 07-19-2019, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

The hobby completely relies on logos, the stamp is a logo that supersedes all other logos on the card.

Still a fact that the physical card is a RC, you can’t argue that. It’s from the set, it’s copyrighted on the back to the year of issue. It was signed and dated to 2019.

MoreToppsPlease · 07-19-2019, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by blaze

Still a fact that the physical card is a RC, you can’t argue that. It’s from the set, it’s copyrighted on the back to the year of issue. It was signed and dated to 2019.

Topps could take a card from 1987 and recycle it back to pulp for 2019 re-use. This is the same thing. This Soto is a recycled card!

auburn35 · 07-19-2019, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

The hobby completely relies on logos, the stamp is a logo that supersedes all other logos on the card.

So is the issue the year of the stamp or just the fact it's stamped, in your opinion?

For this referenced card, would you consider a stamped 2018 Topps Archives (buyback) version of this card, a "rookie" card?

ilikenicecards · 07-19-2019, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by glen87

a nice example

it all has to do with the stamping - card is no longer as it was when it was originally released

That's definitely Frank Thomas' 1990 Leaf RC. I'm looking to add that card to my RC collection actually.

ilikenicecards · 07-19-2019, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Cavaliercards

When Beckett was a power in the Hobby would year would this card be listed?

2019 Topps Archives

not 2018

That doesn't change the fact that it is a 2018 card.

blaze · 07-20-2019, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

Topps could take a card from 1987 and recycle it back to pulp for 2019 re-use. This is the same thing. This Soto is a recycled card!

By that thought, if the Soto was created from a 150 year old tree, turned to pulp, then made into a card, it would be an 1868 prospect card.

The card was made, copyrighted, and issued in 2018, it’s still a 2018 card. Adding an auto and a stamp and re-inserting it into a 2019 product does not change the card, it’s just that the 2018 RC was signed and gave away in packs in 2019

glen87 · 07-20-2019, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by blaze

By that thought, if the Soto was created from a 150 year old tree, turned to pulp, then made into a card, it would be an 1868 prospect card.

The card was made, copyrighted, and issued in 2018, it’s still a 2018 card. Adding an auto and a stamp and re-inserting it into a 2019 product does not change the card, it’s just that the 2018 RC was signed and gave away in packs in 2019

kind of makes it sound like a 2019 card now, to me at least.

MoreToppsPlease · 07-20-2019, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by glen87

kind of makes it sound like a 2019 card now, to me at least.

Sure, the last copyright year is the one that is used/counts!

Scottish Punk · 07-20-2019, 11:26 PM

I don't see it any different than having a rc signed through the mail or in person. It is still a rc just altered now. I wouldn't use it for a base set run just like any signed card. The stamp is akin to an authentication from PSA/JSA. What would be the feeling if you could pull a buyback rc from a 2020 pack and it didn't have a stamp on it? That is also recycled/reissued.

MoreToppsPlease · 07-20-2019, 11:58 PM

I believe Topps produces a lot of series one the calendar year before its issued. But nobody considers these cards to be from the year before they're actually issued in packs.

A weird example is 1998 Leaf Rookies & Stars, a popular product, that was actually released in 1999. People called it a 1998 issue, in part, because Leaf's license had expired in 1999, and because Leaf called it a 1998 issue. Leaf also did some other weird things a couple years later when they got their license back...by inserting 1999 issues in 2001...but I don't think anyone seriously considered those cards to be from 1999 even though they had a different design than the 2001 issue.

danimal875 · 07-21-2019, 12:13 AM

It is a small picture of a man signed by himself that costs more money than most human beings earn in a year.

Flkrsn5 · 07-21-2019, 12:36 AM

I'd say if it wasn't stamped, it'd still be considered his RC, just auto'd. Since it has been stamped, then no. It's still an amazing card nonetheless!

Ferg1945 · 07-21-2019, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Tim

The stamp from 2019 archives is the issue here.

Yep... stamp clearly says 2019.

blaze · 07-21-2019, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferg1945

Yep... stamp clearly says 2019.

Yeah, it's a 2018 RC that was signed for 2019 Archives. The fact that it's a 2018 Topps RC cannot change, you can add whatever you want to the card, but the card will always be a 2018 Topps RC card.

Ferg1945 · 07-21-2019, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by blaze

Yeah, it's a 2018 RC that was signed for 2019 Archives. The fact that it's a 2018 Topps RC cannot change, you can add whatever you want to the card, but the card will always be a 2018 Topps RC card.

To each their own... I don't put a premium on a 2013 Bowman Chrome Bryant RC stamped to /5 for Transcendent party in 2017. Others did and they sold quite well.

auburn35 · 07-21-2019, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferg1945

To each their own... I don't put a premium on a 2013 Bowman Chrome Bryant RC stamped to /5 for Transcendent party in 2017. Others did and they sold quite well.

Dosen't this contradict your opinion of the Soto?
2013 "RC" of Kris Bryant released again, in 2017.

So you're just saying it's not as valuable (personally) but the year a "rookie" is released doesn't change the "rookie" labeling of a card, which was the OP's question.

Technically, wouldn't the 2014 Chrome Kris Bryant Auto (first release) be the "RC", as the year of the card dosen't matter, right?

For what it's worth, I also believe the 2013 Bryant is the "rc", even though it was the second card released.

wyguy11 · 08-06-2019, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by towerymt

I just missed this on ebay, but was thinking....is this considered a rookie card since it is the 2018 Topps Update...or not, because it was issued in 2019?

If you collect all rookie cards of one player, do you chase these too?

Not on the same level as that pull...

I’ll keep this one as he’s only 20 as well, rc or not.

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JWBlue · 08-06-2019, 07:59 PM

Went back and forth. Toughie.

The card was not issued originally in its current form. I would say no.

wyguy11 · 08-06-2019, 09:00 PM

I agree, although I’ve only collected in 2014 and now ‘19.

The logic that others have stated make it clear as it isn’t a true set card. It is from a re release product and labeled as such.

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1989FF · 08-06-2019, 09:39 PM

Once they stamped the 2018 card, with 2019, they made it a 2019 card. It does not matter what you're born as, you are what the finished product is. Or something like that I heard on a show my wife watched.

wyguy11 · 08-06-2019, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 1989FF

Once they stamped the 2018 card, with 2019, they made it a 2019 card. It does not matter what you're born as, you are what the finished product is. Or something like that I heard on a show my wife watched.

Yeah, that’s about right these days. Don’t restamp.

Hey, I noticed most of these slabbed Archives have poopie autos in that they are streaked. Maybe not. Is there a chance these cards are signed already then stamped ?

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imbluestreak23 · 08-06-2019, 11:24 PM

TomAto tomato

View Poll Results: Do you consider this a rookie card?
Yes...that's his RC printed in 2018.	76	39.18%
No...issued in 2019, so not a RC.	118	60.82%
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07-19-2019, 06:43 PM	#51
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07-21-2019, 12:36 AM	#65
Flkrsn5 Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Middle Georgia Posts: 4,606 Flkrsn5	I'd say if it wasn't stamped, it'd still be considered his RC, just auto'd. Since it has been stamped, then no. It's still an amazing card nonetheless! __________________ PC: Cal Ripken Jr., Ken Griffey Jr., Mike Trout, Derek Holland & THE Ohio State Buckeyes INTERESTED IN: Prospect Autos

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07-19-2019, 07:14 PM	#53
altaeria Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: CenterCityPhiladelphia Posts: 1,934 altaeria altaeria	Technically it’s a 2019 product now- whatever that means.

07-20-2019, 11:26 PM	#62
Scottish Punk Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 10,428 scottishpunk	I don't see it any different than having a rc signed through the mail or in person. It is still a rc just altered now. I wouldn't use it for a base set run just like any signed card. The stamp is akin to an authentication from PSA/JSA. What would be the feeling if you could pull a buyback rc from a 2020 pack and it didn't have a stamp on it? That is also recycled/reissued.

07-20-2019, 11:58 PM	#63
MoreToppsPlease Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 8,676	I believe Topps produces a lot of series one the calendar year before its issued. But nobody considers these cards to be from the year before they're actually issued in packs. A weird example is 1998 Leaf Rookies & Stars, a popular product, that was actually released in 1999. People called it a 1998 issue, in part, because Leaf's license had expired in 1999, and because Leaf called it a 1998 issue. Leaf also did some other weird things a couple years later when they got their license back...by inserting 1999 issues in 2001...but I don't think anyone seriously considered those cards to be from 1999 even though they had a different design than the 2001 issue.

07-21-2019, 12:13 AM	#64
danimal875 Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Central New Jersey Posts: 4,929 thunder_cards thundercards	It is a small picture of a man signed by himself that costs more money than most human beings earn in a year.

08-06-2019, 07:59 PM	#71
JWBlue Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 10,406	Went back and forth. Toughie. The card was not issued originally in its current form. I would say no.

08-06-2019, 09:00 PM	#72
wyguy11 Banned Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Airport City Posts: 1,590 wyguy11	I agree, although I’ve only collected in 2014 and now ‘19. The logic that others have stated make it clear as it isn’t a true set card. It is from a re release product and labeled as such. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

08-06-2019, 09:39 PM	#73
1989FF Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Bakersfield Posts: 2,426 ryans_rust	Once they stamped the 2018 card, with 2019, they made it a 2019 card. It does not matter what you're born as, you are what the finished product is. Or something like that I heard on a show my wife watched.