Rolling Thread for Fake 1991 Topps Desert Shield Cards - Page 3

3124508 on COMC · 02-09-2021, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by superdan49

These aren't even the good fakes. Hopefully COMC takes them down.

Agreed, there's better fakes openly being sold as "reprints" on eBay.

superdan49 · 03-01-2021, 10:14 AM

Another fake stamp Chipper Jones rookie, this one graded PSA 8 and currently being sold by eBay seller right_field_cards for $1,299 BIN:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/HOT-1991-To.../233912782634?

PSA Cert #19451402

Lonewolf · 03-01-2021, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by superdan49

Another fake stamp Chipper Jones rookie, this one graded PSA 8 and currently being sold by eBay seller right_field_cards for $1,299 BIN:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/HOT-1991-To.../233912782634?

PSA Cert #19451402

PSA strikes again. Not only is it a fake, but the grade is WAY generous given the garbage centering and at least two soft corners, wow.

pacman099 · 03-01-2021, 04:00 PM

Thoughts? Should've been more careful buying this... and didn't even see the thread. Pretty nieve of me.

3124508 on COMC · 03-01-2021, 04:14 PM

Bad fake unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by pacman099

Thoughts? Should've been more careful buying this... and didn't even see the thread. Pretty nieve of me.

pacman099 · 03-01-2021, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

Bad fake unfortunately.

That really sucks... it's the little guys like me that get burned. Seems obvious when I go through this thread. Sure looks like a lot of fakes on ebay or for that fact everywhere.

Seller is teacher_jewels, they kindly refunded. Regardless, I believe that ebay buyer protection will cover you and side with you as a buyer.

pacman099 · 03-01-2021, 05:33 PM

How about this one? It at least looks closer to what you guys are sharing I think.

3124508 on COMC · 03-01-2021, 06:11 PM

That one is authentic.

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Originally Posted by pacman099

How about this one? It at least looks closer to what you guys are sharing I think.

Browns1981 · 03-06-2021, 11:15 AM

https://www.facebook.com/52363270770...9802119426266/

Don't know if these are fake or legit, but they apparently have prominence (came directly from Jack Savage). My local LCS posted this. Do they look legit?

3124508 on COMC · 03-06-2021, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Browns1981

https://www.facebook.com/52363270770...9802119426266/

Don't know if these are fake or legit, but they apparently have prominence (came directly from Jack Savage). My local LCS posted this. Do they look legit?

Griffey and Savage are real, so I would assume that would bode well for the rest.

thenightman · 03-06-2021, 11:59 AM

Is there anyone in this thread that would be willing to take a look at a Chipper that I purchased? I want to have it in hand to get the best pics I can get. If anyone would be willing to take a look at it to let me know if it's legit, I would greatly appreciate it. If it isn't legit, I have avenues to return the card and get my money back, so I felt it was a low risk gamble.

3124508 on COMC · 03-06-2021, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by thenightman

Is there anyone in this thread that would be willing to take a look at a Chipper that I purchased? I want to have it in hand to get the best pics I can get. If anyone would be willing to take a look at it to let me know if it's legit, I would greatly appreciate it. If it isn't legit, I have avenues to return the card and get my money back, so I felt it was a low risk gamble.

Feel free to send me pics. PM or email below.

thenightman · 03-06-2021, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

Feel free to send me pics. PM or email below.

Thank you! As soon as I receive the card I will do just that.

superdan49 · 03-07-2021, 03:04 PM

Six Fake Frank Thomas #79 PSA 9 & 10s— Cert #22104197, 22104198, 22104199, 22104200, 22164499, 28705438

Most of these fakes were first sold through Probstein. Note the four consecutive PSA certification numbers—these four are part of a massive submission of fake Desert Shields certified by PSA. Cert #22164499 is part of The Totten Collection Frank Thomas Master Set (totten80):

superdan49 · 03-10-2021, 11:19 PM

Three Fake Nolan Ryan #1 PSA 9 & 10s— Cert 21463185, 21463186, 22104202

One of these originates with the psa.gems eBay account, which belonged to accused card doctor Kevin Burge. Whether he is the source of many of the bad Desert Shield cards in the marketplace needs to be investigated further.

superdan49 · 03-10-2021, 11:27 PM

Two of the fake Nolan Ryans pictured above are currently in Registry Sets:
#21463185- SAMMIE’S 1991 DS (dustymomo@yahoo.com)
#21463186- RDEFFLEY MASTER TOPPS EXPRESS COLLECTION (rdeffley)

omega145 · 03-11-2021, 07:49 AM

Better to help out collectors on this forum then worry about counterfeiters reading this thread:

Desert Shield logo should be 13mm X 15 mm
Desert Shield logo should have a rounded bottom
Desert Shield logo should be "crisp" and not fuzzy
The logo can be either goldish or slightly silver - both colors seem to be legitimate
Stars on the Flag should not be fuzzy
The card should be a Glow Back ie flouresce under UV light. The red 40th Anniversary should jump out under UV light
The tip of the bottom most palm leaf should point between the "R & A" in " O P E R A T I O N"; fake logos have the word " OPERATION" shifted slightly to the left.

From: https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=209297

3124508 on COMC · 03-11-2021, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by omega145

Better to help out collectors on this forum then worry about counterfeiters reading this thread:

I disagree and from discussion with the individual who posted the thread you posted, I ascertain that he would too. That thread was posted before the good counterfeits started coming to market and as a result, there really isn’t too much useful information in it.

MoreToppsPlease · 03-11-2021, 01:10 PM

It seems prudent to say counterfeiters are able to replicate any stamp.

If a “BODA Advisory” were issued, it might say “any parallel (graded or raw) relying on a stamp worth more than the price of grading ($25) should be considered suspect...since grading companies generally seem unable to detect fake stamps.”

etherealsoc · 03-11-2021, 02:12 PM

I've been looking for a David Justice fake to add to my supercollection and I'm pretty sure I found it. The price is a bit out of my range, though.

https://ebay.us/XK5OaX

superdan49 · 03-11-2021, 02:23 PM

Seller lkovo1 has some more ungraded fakes, too.

thenightman · 03-11-2021, 10:00 PM

Here is the Chipper I picked up. What do you all think? Let me know if better pics might be needed.

3124508 on COMC · 03-11-2021, 10:11 PM

That’s real.

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Originally Posted by thenightman

Here is the Chipper I picked up. What do you all think? Let me know if better pics might be needed.

thenightman · 03-11-2021, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

That’s real.

Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

superdan49 · 03-12-2021, 08:32 PM

Four Fake Greg Maddux #35 PSA 9s— Cert 21681109, 22164497, 23030103, 23030104

Two of these originate with Kevin Burge's psa.gems eBay account.

03-01-2021, 10:14 AM	#52
superdan49 BODA Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 4,272	Another fake stamp Chipper Jones rookie, this one graded PSA 8 and currently being sold by eBay seller right_field_cards for $1,299 BIN: https://www.ebay.com/itm/HOT-1991-To.../233912782634? PSA Cert #19451402 __________________ Cardboard Detective Emeritus superdan49@protonmail.com — Anonymous Tip-line

03-01-2021, 04:00 PM	#54
pacman099 Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: Texas Posts: 380 Pacman099	Thoughts? Should've been more careful buying this... and didn't even see the thread. Pretty nieve of me. Last edited by pacman099; 03-01-2021 at 04:06 PM.

03-07-2021, 03:04 PM	#64
superdan49 BODA Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 4,272	Six Fake Frank Thomas #79 PSA 9 & 10s— Cert #22104197, 22104198, 22104199, 22104200, 22164499, 28705438 Most of these fakes were first sold through Probstein. Note the four consecutive PSA certification numbers—these four are part of a massive submission of fake Desert Shields certified by PSA. Cert #22164499 is part of The Totten Collection Frank Thomas Master Set (totten80): __________________ Cardboard Detective Emeritus superdan49@protonmail.com — Anonymous Tip-line

03-10-2021, 11:19 PM	#65
superdan49 BODA Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 4,272	Three Fake Nolan Ryan #1 PSA 9 & 10s— Cert 21463185, 21463186, 22104202 One of these originates with the psa.gems eBay account, which belonged to accused card doctor Kevin Burge. Whether he is the source of many of the bad Desert Shield cards in the marketplace needs to be investigated further. __________________ Cardboard Detective Emeritus superdan49@protonmail.com — Anonymous Tip-line

03-10-2021, 11:27 PM	#66
superdan49 BODA Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 4,272	Two of the fake Nolan Ryans pictured above are currently in Registry Sets: #21463185- SAMMIE’S 1991 DS (dustymomo@yahoo.com) #21463186- RDEFFLEY MASTER TOPPS EXPRESS COLLECTION (rdeffley) __________________ Cardboard Detective Emeritus superdan49@protonmail.com — Anonymous Tip-line

03-01-2021, 05:33 PM	#57
pacman099 Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: Texas Posts: 380 Pacman099	How about this one? It at least looks closer to what you guys are sharing I think.

03-06-2021, 11:15 AM	#59
Browns1981 Member Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 394 rmoorehead72	https://www.facebook.com/52363270770...9802119426266/ Don't know if these are fake or legit, but they apparently have prominence (came directly from Jack Savage). My local LCS posted this. Do they look legit?

03-06-2021, 11:59 AM	#61
thenightman Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 6,715	Is there anyone in this thread that would be willing to take a look at a Chipper that I purchased? I want to have it in hand to get the best pics I can get. If anyone would be willing to take a look at it to let me know if it's legit, I would greatly appreciate it. If it isn't legit, I have avenues to return the card and get my money back, so I felt it was a low risk gamble.

03-11-2021, 07:49 AM	#67
omega145 Member Join Date: May 2018 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 635 war_hero	Better to help out collectors on this forum then worry about counterfeiters reading this thread: Desert Shield logo should be 13mm X 15 mm Desert Shield logo should have a rounded bottom Desert Shield logo should be "crisp" and not fuzzy The logo can be either goldish or slightly silver - both colors seem to be legitimate Stars on the Flag should not be fuzzy The card should be a Glow Back ie flouresce under UV light. The red 40th Anniversary should jump out under UV light The tip of the bottom most palm leaf should point between the "R & A" in " O P E R A T I O N"; fake logos have the word " OPERATION" shifted slightly to the left. From: https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=209297

03-11-2021, 01:10 PM	#69
MoreToppsPlease Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 8,676	It seems prudent to say counterfeiters are able to replicate any stamp. If a “BODA Advisory” were issued, it might say “any parallel (graded or raw) relying on a stamp worth more than the price of grading ($25) should be considered suspect...since grading companies generally seem unable to detect fake stamps.” __________________ IRS Tax Tip 2022-57 A hobby is any activity that a person pursues because they enjoy it and with no intention of making a profit. People operate a business with the intention of making a profit.

03-11-2021, 02:12 PM	#70
etherealsoc Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Nova Scotia, Canada Posts: 63 blueberry_12 etherealsoc	I've been looking for a David Justice fake to add to my supercollection and I'm pretty sure I found it. The price is a bit out of my range, though. https://ebay.us/XK5OaX __________________ DAVID JUSTICE SUPERCOLLECTOR • Over 2,000 unique cards and 28,000+ doubles Last edited by etherealsoc; 03-11-2021 at 02:14 PM.

03-11-2021, 02:23 PM	#71
superdan49 BODA Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 4,272	Seller lkovo1 has some more ungraded fakes, too. __________________ Cardboard Detective Emeritus superdan49@protonmail.com — Anonymous Tip-line

03-11-2021, 10:00 PM	#72
thenightman Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 6,715	Here is the Chipper I picked up. What do you all think? Let me know if better pics might be needed.

03-12-2021, 08:32 PM	#75
superdan49 BODA Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 4,272	Four Fake Greg Maddux #35 PSA 9s— Cert 21681109, 22164497, 23030103, 23030104 Two of these originate with Kevin Burge's psa.gems eBay account. __________________ Cardboard Detective Emeritus superdan49@protonmail.com — Anonymous Tip-line