2021 NFL Draft - Page 3

oldgoldy97 · 01-10-2021, 12:23 PM

Taking a QB first round makes sense to control them longer at a cheaper price.

HBMC · 01-10-2021, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Taking a QB first round makes sense to control them longer at a cheaper price.

Depending on where they are drafted, yes.

Top 10 picks are still fairly spendy, but it is still cheaper than the going rate for Free Agents.

ntgm37 · 01-10-2021, 02:25 PM

The problem with the idea of taking a qb and having tua is you can't properly evaluate either qb imo. Miami screwed the pooch taking Tua over Herbert. I think they need to just build around him and give him 2 years. If he isn't the guy, move on after that. Take Sewell and Etienne, give him studs to throw to, and if he sucks, you have a great foundation for the next guy.

dfr52 · 01-10-2021, 02:42 PM

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I wouldn't gamble a Top 10 pick on a project like Rousseau. His frame isn't that impressive (his legs are extremely thin) and he doesn't use his length well at all. His punch is weak, he lets inferior OL push him around and get their hands on him.

When there seems to be a consensus across media platforms from people who actually watch tape and talk with NFL scouts the evaluation is usually held league wide. Rousseau has highlights and great measurables but is not an elite defensive player.

dfr52 · 01-10-2021, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by KBA

Rousseau at #10? Edge is a probably the 4th priority for Dallas behind DT, CB/S, and LB. I’d even take OL before Edge in the 1st.

I agree but Edge is one of those positions where a team can never have enough of quality players. That being said CB might be the only position where a top 10 prospect might be found. This is a good draft to trade down and possibly acquire picks for next year.

brothertona · 01-10-2021, 03:44 PM

This year unfortunately doesn't have the caliber of defensive guys as recent years. Parsons and maybe Farley are the only guys worthy of a top 10 pick. The offensive side of the ball dominates this years draft. Lots of QB's, WR's, RB's, and offensive linemen. Definitely worried my Falcons might take a defensive player at 4, when they badly need a QB.

cinnakaok · 01-10-2021, 03:57 PM

So if Urban Meyer gets hired by the Jags and he for some reason wants fields instead of Lawrence. The Jets couldn’t possibly screw that up.

Now back to reality the jets should trade down and pick up Smith or Chase and give Darnold 1 more year with a competent head coach

KBA · 01-10-2021, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dfr52

I agree but Edge is one of those positions where a team can never have enough of quality players. That being said CB might be the only position where a top 10 prospect might be found. This is a good draft to trade down and possibly acquire picks for next year.

Slater, Surtain, or Farley. If not those, then trade down. Interested to see how the draft goes after the first three picks. I’m hopeful some of those stud receivers fall and teams that feel they’re a couple weapons away might trade up.

Going to be a tough call for the front office if those corners are on the board and the option to trade down presents itself. I think they stick and pick.

dfr52 · 01-10-2021, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by KBA

Slater, Surtain, or Farley. If not those, then trade down. Interested to see how the draft goes after the first three picks. I’m hopeful some of those stud receivers fall and teams that feel they’re a couple weapons away might trade up.

Going to be a tough call for the front office if those corners are on the board and the option to trade down presents itself. I think they stick and pick.

Surtain is going to need to run well b/c CB is the one position where a player needs to be fast- especially to go in the first round. I am starting to wonder if Slater and Farley could be gone by #10.

You make a good point b/c some of those Receivers could fall if there is a run on QB's.

brothertona · 01-10-2021, 05:23 PM

McShay thinks Fields will fall but I don't see it. If Fields is there at #4 I think the Falcons take him. I think draft goes Lawrence, Fields, Sewell, Wilson, Slater. Good chance that the Lions and Panthers consider QB's.

packman80 · 01-10-2021, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by cinnakaok

So if Urban Meyer gets hired by the Jags and he for some reason wants fields instead of Lawrence. The Jets couldn’t possibly screw that up.

Now back to reality the jets should trade down and pick up Smith or Chase and give Darnold 1 more year with a competent head coach

Urb wants to pass up Lawrence for Fields you don't even hire him.

hairysasquatch · 01-10-2021, 06:36 PM

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Urb wants to pass up Lawrence for Fields you don't even hire him.

Proper appellation is "Urbz." But, yes, this is correct.

49ersSF · 01-10-2021, 06:39 PM

passing up Lawrence for Fields would be the right thing to do.

lambeauleap87 · 01-10-2021, 06:43 PM

I don't know why there's the Meyer/Fields association. Meyer never coached him.

hairysasquatch · 01-10-2021, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by lambeauleap87

I don't know why there's the Meyer/Fields association. Meyer never coached him.

It's an internet hot take. No basis in reality. But fun to stir the pot with.

HBMC · 01-10-2021, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dfr52

When there seems to be a consensus across media platforms from people who actually watch tape and talk with NFL scouts the evaluation is usually held league wide. Rousseau has highlights and great measurables but is not an elite defensive player.

If I am spending a Top 10 on someone, I need them be an explosive, special player. Rousseau looks like he's melody with no harmony.

He'll get decent bend, but then his arms aren't extended and he gets washed out of the play (and with his base being as slight as it is, he can easily get overpowered in a leverage match), when he extends his arms and doesn't disengage fast enough, he gets shut down when a lineman sits on him. He's explosive, but only when he isn't being blocked solidly.

Rousseau reminds me of a guy that doesn't know how to use his body and would be a huge waste that high in the draft. The potential could be there, but I wouldn't gamble that kind of draft capital for a chance.

As much as his career was a mess thanks to PED's, Dion Jordan's testing numbers are probably going to make Rousseau's look extremely average IMO.

Eckstein197 · 01-10-2021, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 49ersSF

passing up Lawrence for Fields would be the right thing to do.

Why? Please explain

Eckstein197 · 01-10-2021, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mj91534

He is going to round 3. I want the te out of Boston rd 2. The Giants need a second back who can pound the defense like we did with Jacob's. Harris is also insurance if you can not bring back Saquon you have a back in the system and there is no guarantee Gillman stays when he can sign with teams to be a starter. The cheapest option is Harris

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What makes you think Najee is falling to round 3? Most mocks have him late 1st, early 2nd at the latest

kyle1707 · 01-10-2021, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by brothertona

McShay thinks Fields will fall but I don't see it. If Fields is there at #4 I think the Falcons take him. I think draft goes Lawrence, Fields, Sewell, Wilson, Slater. Good chance that the Lions and Panthers consider QB's.

Not with trading up....

3 qb's in first 5 picks

maybe 4 in top 10 with Lance

brothertona · 01-10-2021, 10:22 PM

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Not with trading up....

3 qb's in first 5 picks

maybe 4 in top 10 with Lance

Lions or Panthers take Lance. Trask or Mac Jones may also go 1st round if someone gets desperate.

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dfr52 · 01-10-2021, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by HBMC

If I am spending a Top 10 on someone, I need them be an explosive, special player. Rousseau looks like he's melody with no harmony.

He'll get decent bend, but then his arms aren't extended and he gets washed out of the play (and with his base being as slight as it is, he can easily get overpowered in a leverage match), when he extends his arms and doesn't disengage fast enough, he gets shut down when a lineman sits on him. He's explosive, but only when he isn't being blocked solidly.

Rousseau reminds me of a guy that doesn't know how to use his body and would be a huge waste that high in the draft. The potential could be there, but I wouldn't gamble that kind of draft capital for a chance.

As much as his career was a mess thanks to PED's, Dion Jordan's testing numbers are probably going to make Rousseau's look extremely average IMO.

A lot of the draft community seems to prefer J .Philipps to Rousseau but his injury history is very concerning for a top ten pick.

If Rousseau doesn't have a great combine he really could fall to a day 2 or early day 3 pick.

49ersSF · 01-11-2021, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Eckstein197

Why? Please explain

What I say next is obviously an opinion. I figured I would just get that out of the way because for the last couple of years I have been stating Fields should be the top pick taken and taken some flack for it. However, my opinion over the last year remains unchanged.

Lawrence is a solid QB and has a chance to make the pro bowl in his career but it simply won't happen until he is surrounded by teammates that will make him better. He has a solid arm but nothing out of the ordinary in the NFL. He's not the most agile or mobile QB for the NFL game. He's marketed as such because he found some success in college mainly because it came against over powered defenses. In college, he often had wide open options and rarely needed to complete passes to receivers in small windows. Most NFL pass of 10+ yards will require the QB to get the ball to the receiver in that small window. When he has been under pressure he has struggled. In the NFL, he will spend his first 3-4 years playing for the worst team in the league. He will be constantly under pressure. He will have to learn how to adjust to the speed of the game, make proper reads, hit receivers with narrow windows, and most importantly he must learn how to look off defenders. With that said, if he can quickly adjust to the NFL game then he has a chance to be a great QB. It's a big "if".

Fields on the other hand just keeps getting better. He has all the tools you want at the QB position in today's game. He has a strong NFL arm. He makes everything he does look effortless. He runs the 40 in 4.4 and has the size of a running back. He is a very elusive QB which helps him avoid would be tacklers whether it be in or out of the pocket. He has a high level baseball background much like Russell Wilson and Kyler Murray. QB's with baseball backgrounds tend to have great success as QB's in the NFL. Dan Marino, John Elway, Tom Brady just to name a few. I am a firm believer that baseball helps shape hand/eye coordination as well as the ability to think and decide in a split second which are two of the most important qualities as a QB in the NFL. Another strength is Fields on field composure. He never seems to panic while in the pocket. He stays with the play as long as he needs to yet has this amazing knack for getting out of their before it collapses. He's not perfect. He still needs to work on reading defenses and making better decisions but he's the guy that can make every player around him better in my opinion. He's the guy that can take a franchise an put it on his back and turn them into a playoff team in just a few years.

brothertona · 01-11-2021, 08:45 AM

Yeah I'm hoping Fields falls to the Falcons, I'd love getting Fields and Rhamondre Stevenson, Chuba Hubbard or Kenneth Gainwell. You get Arthur Smith from the Titans coaching them and the Falcons have a rushing attack to go along with Calvin Ridley, Julio, and Hayden in the passing game.

Scottish Punk · 01-11-2021, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by packman80

So 2021 draft could have 6 QB's go in the 1st round. Lawrence, Fields, Wilson, Lance, Trask, and Jones. Has it happened before that 6 QB's have gone in the 1st round?

1999 Draft had 5 go in the top 12, than the next mid 2nd round. Of course the 2018 NFL draft also had 5 first round QBs.

1983 actually had 6 QBS go in the first round - probably the most heralded QB class with Kelly, Marino, and Elway.

the mesiah · 01-11-2021, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by dfr52

A lot of the draft community seems to prefer J .Philipps to Rousseau but his injury history is very concerning for a top ten pick.

If Rousseau doesn't have a great combine he really could fall to a day 2 or early day 3 pick.

No way Gregory drops out of the first round , potential is too high ..

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ntgm37 Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Wyoming Posts: 4,894	The problem with the idea of taking a qb and having tua is you can't properly evaluate either qb imo. Miami screwed the pooch taking Tua over Herbert. I think they need to just build around him and give him 2 years. If he isn't the guy, move on after that. Take Sewell and Etienne, give him studs to throw to, and if he sucks, you have a great foundation for the next guy. __________________ Blowouts Resident Letter Carrier USMC 02-06 Salt of the earth type

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cinnakaok Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 10,879	So if Urban Meyer gets hired by the Jags and he for some reason wants fields instead of Lawrence. The Jets couldn’t possibly screw that up. Now back to reality the jets should trade down and pick up Smith or Chase and give Darnold 1 more year with a competent head coach __________________ The Jeremy Kerley Collector 192 Different Kerley's with 16 1/1's

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brothertona Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 6,954 brothertona1	This year unfortunately doesn't have the caliber of defensive guys as recent years. Parsons and maybe Farley are the only guys worthy of a top 10 pick. The offensive side of the ball dominates this years draft. Lots of QB's, WR's, RB's, and offensive linemen. Definitely worried my Falcons might take a defensive player at 4, when they badly need a QB.

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brothertona Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 6,954 brothertona1	McShay thinks Fields will fall but I don't see it. If Fields is there at #4 I think the Falcons take him. I think draft goes Lawrence, Fields, Sewell, Wilson, Slater. Good chance that the Lions and Panthers consider QB's.

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brothertona Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 6,954 brothertona1	Yeah I'm hoping Fields falls to the Falcons, I'd love getting Fields and Rhamondre Stevenson, Chuba Hubbard or Kenneth Gainwell. You get Arthur Smith from the Titans coaching them and the Falcons have a rushing attack to go along with Calvin Ridley, Julio, and Hayden in the passing game.