Lebron vs KD over next 4 years

[sebreg]

I really hate that KD got the major injury. If he didn't likely has 3 titles in GS, and shot for scoring record as well. Would've been amazing and made the Lebron/KD discussions a little tighter especially if KD could rack up more titles beyond GS.

[rhigh2390]

Originally Posted by blockedbyjames

Next year Lebron will become the only NBA player in history with 10,000 assists, 10,000 rebounds, and 1000 blocks. The absurdity and exclusiveness of that cannot be overstated.

And we all know the scoring record is within reach at some point..

It's not that the stats aren't impressive, but it isn't the most impressive thing about his career, in my opinion. It's not a diss on him to say his biggest accomplishment is how long he has been able to be a top player in the league, but it's more impressive than his counting stats. Most of his career, he has been the point-forward, so by design, he loads up a stat sheet. Westbrook is about to pass Big O's triple-double record, but you don't see anyone saying Westbrook is better. The game is different now and I think we will start seeing a lot of records broken because of how offensive-minded the game has become. And we're already seeing guys be able to play longer due to things like medicine, technology, diet, and lack of physicality allowed.

The upcoming generations are really going to have a flawed opinion of past Greats when looking at stats and not understanding the changes that have happened.

[sportsguyred]

the Lebron fan boys are going to go crazy next month when KD dominates the NBA Finals again. Lebron will be sitting in LA talking about movies he wants to be in while KD sets the stage for back to back to back NBA titles in NYC.

KD's cards will double or triple over next 2 years while Lebrons cards will be flat to up 15%.

[sportsguyred]

Lebron is the "safe" play, most of his cards will slowly increase over the next 5-10 years.

KD is the higher risk / reward - and better chance to 2X or 3X your investment at current levels.

[blockedbyjames]

Originally Posted by rhigh2390

It's not that the stats aren't impressive, but it isn't the most impressive thing about his career, in my opinion. It's not a diss on him to say his biggest accomplishment is how long he has been able to be a top player in the league, but it's more impressive than his counting stats. Most of his career, he has been the point-forward, so by design, he loads up a stat sheet. Westbrook is about to pass Big O's triple-double record, but you don't see anyone saying Westbrook is better. The game is different now and I think we will start seeing a lot of records broken because of how offensive-minded the game has become. And we're already seeing guys be able to play longer due to things like medicine, technology, diet, and lack of physicality allowed.

The upcoming generations are really going to have a flawed opinion of past Greats when looking at stats and not understanding the changes that have happened.

Yeah I agree, it's the other side of the same coin. The longevity and dominance of Lebron's career is why his stats are racking up.

Lebron (and Brady also) are kind of the first major beneficiaries of modern medical technology being able to sustain players longer than previously seen. That may become the norm going forward for these young stars who may outlast their predecessors.

Brady outlasted Manning and Brees and a countless array of others and is still dominating in some ways.

Lebron has outlasted his entire draft class with the exception of Carmelo, who is a shell of his former self. Lebron, on the other hand minus this recent injury, is still dominating at a high level.

It's really great to be able to see both these iconic guys still excelling in their sport. Hopefully the next baseball icon is also able to last into his 40s (looking at you Mike Trout..).

[gomiamigo]

Originally Posted by bberns

I'm not sure if the use of "obviously" is because "obviously" Brady is better than Manning or "obviously" is because they couldn't meet in the Super Bowl because they were in the same division during their entire concurrent careers.

If 1 of the 2 options makes it 'obvious' which one it is, it's that obvious one. Not the other one.

[gomiamigo]

Originally Posted by twist1one

KD is going to fall short of Dirk as far as scoring goes unless he becomes a differnt person.

What are you talking about? He'll catch Dirk in <5 seasons if he keeps playing just 60 games a year. Even if his scoring rate drops 10%. He's the premier scorer of his generation.

If he gets hurt and his career ends first, then obviously he won't. If he plays 6 years he gets Dirk and MJ no question and probably Kobe by then, depending on his ppg at the end of his career and avg games played each season.

[gomiamigo]

Originally Posted by cowboyzqna

I invest in basketball cards. Buy raw send to psa and make something.

I havent went out of my way to own any kd cards... that's not to say that I couldn't have made something if I had.

Shoulda also stacked KD Chrome Whites at $270-400 [now 75k in psa 9], and BGS/psa 10 refractors at 200 [now $56k] less than 10 years ago.

[gomiamigo]

Originally Posted by mc1

Weve been over this before. Bosh, Wade, Love, Kyrie and Davis combined had 1 ring ... without Lebron.

Your comparison is hilariously inapt because Wade and Bosh, and Kyrie and Love weren't playing together, as Lebron assembled them so he could finally get a chip. Why are you acting like no one on BO knows what Lebron did so he could finally win one?

The Warriors had one ring before KD.

Yep, Curry and Wade each had one ring.

Here's the Cavs starters who they beat the in the Finals: Delladova, Tristan, Mozgov, Shumpert, and Lebron. That's the worst 'finals' team ever. By far.

Next year, Curry had more turnovers than assists in the Finals [lol] as the Warriors choked badly, got outplayed by Kyrie, both Jerry West AND the GSW' players realized they desperately needed Durant to beat Lebron with a healthy Cavs team: KD brings them 2 straight titles and 2 straight Finals MVP awards while beating Lebron head-to-head.


Then pouty Lebron left CLE to go create another superteam since he was epic failing at doing it on his own [as per usual] in LA. All he needed was yet another top 5 player to help him win there.

[bloodwings19]

Be warned, remember history. Kobe and MJ peaked at what age? KD will have a prolonged career because he will never play a full-season. And he will accept playing 20 games than take 20 games off, if Lebron doesn't take that role he will descend. If Lebron takes cycling seriously, he will have a great career beyond 40. Cycling enhances vision and stamina, I do cycling not spandex type- I do trails.

[Easycards]

That’s a lot of what ifs.

[sportsguyred]

the next 4 years will be interesting to see for Lebron + KD's legacy.

What if KD wins Finals the next 2 or 3 years in a row ?

Does that keep Jordan as #1 ?

If KD has 5 Finals and a few more MVPS does he move up to #2 or #3 with Lebron and Kobe ?


Interesting times in the NBA over the next few years.

Originally Posted by sportsguyred

Interesting scenario - could KD's cards be worth more than Lebron's longer term if:

** KD and the Nets win 2 or 3 NBA titles over the next 4 years

** KD is MVP at least 2 more times

** Lebron does not win any more NBA titles or MVPs

[k13]

Maybe if he took OKC to a championship otherwise who cares.

Just going from superstar team to another and don't assume they'll win anything.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Nope.

More because none of this will happen

2 of 3 are very likely. KD may be a better investment in the near term, but I don't see him ever catching LeBron.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by k13

Maybe if he took OKC to a championship otherwise who cares.

Just going from superstar team to another and don't assume they'll win anything.

Then why are LeBron,'s cards worth anything? All he has done is jump from superteam to superteam chasing rings. Clearly people do care.

[gomiamigo]

I don't think KD has to win your '2 more titles over the next 4 years', as his career will be longer than that. As long as he's an effective starter more titles will count towards his legacy and card values. The Admiral won another at the end of his career. If MJ won one in his last season in Wash everyone would count it.

Obviously, the best chance is winning sooner with the Nets rather than later with them or another team. Beating Lebron a 3rd time would certainly make his prices continue to climb.

[gomiamigo]

Originally Posted by rats60

2 of 3 are very likely. KD may be a better investment in the near term, but I don't see him ever catching LeBron.

Truth.

If KD got 5 rings, another MVP and 1-2 more Finals MVPs, that would put him in a very interesting place in the top 5 alltime discussion, and he's be 4th on the scoring list if those things happened in all likelihood.

Not saying that he'll get 3 more titles [it is a lot more!] but stranger things have happened and he's still in his prime.

[k13]

Originally Posted by rats60

Then why are LeBron,'s cards worth anything? All he has done is jump from superteam to superteam chasing rings. Clearly people do care.

People started caring when he won in Cleveland.
That's what propelled him.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by rats60

Then why are LeBron,'s cards worth anything? All he has done is jump from superteam to superteam chasing rings. Clearly people do care.

Here we go again.

Bums like Kyrie, Bosh, Love, AD did nothing on their own. They werent superstars. Wade only won his ring with the help of the refs.

Compare that to the Warriors, a true Team!

[rats60]

Originally Posted by mc1

Here we go again.

Bums like Kyrie, Bosh, Love, AD did nothing on their own. They werent superstars. Wade only won his ring with the help of the refs.

Compare that to the Warriors, a true Team!

The Warriors that only won a ring because Kyrie and Love were hurt?

[drobfan8]

Man people always get uber sensitive when LeBron is questioned.

KD wins a title this year and then grabs another while Bron is basically done! That's a big deal.

If LeBron ends on 4 rings, less than most of his peers. Damn. Don't wanna hear anymore of this GOAT garbage.

KD is the real deal and may just be the guy.

Can his card prices catch LeBron's? Gonna be hard because his stuff can't reach iconic status like LeBron's has. But best believe his prices will catch up drastically.

[jayjavu]

Going back to the original scenario that was given on this thread, IF that happens, I still dont think KD's card will ever reach the price level of Lebron. But for certainty it will close the gap at their price range at the moment.

[sebreg]

Of the contemporary stars that could close decent amount price gap on Bron, my bet would be on Curry. Not Durant.

[jayjavu]

Originally Posted by sebreg

Of the contemporary stars that could close decent amount price gap on Bron, my bet would be on Curry. Not Durant.

We could start another thread. Curry vs KD

[KhalDrogo]

KD is one of the few superstars in sports who is less likable that LeBron.