Logan Paul’s $3.5 Million ‘Base Set’ Case May Be Fake

[TarjetasBéisbol]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Man that latest video....it's unfortunate how many times he has to insert the disclaimer that it's merely his opinion. I mean shouldnt someone be able to post their own opinion/research done, it's not like anyone has to accept it as truth. Seems like there are people who dont want the youtuber looking into this....everything appears more and more shady.

I’m pretty sure he needs to protect himself as much as possible with the way people are coming at him. I originally posted this in a Facebook vintage card group and there were some serious Steve Hart and BBCE defenders on there. For the life of me I could never understand how people could think that one guy can call himself “an expert” on unopened product. Stepping in to “authentic” a product that he himself admitted to not knowing anything about is the peak of arrogance.

It would be interesting to hear from Meelypops but I’m sure he’s scrambling to figure things out himself at this point.

[DynaEtch]

That makes sense. And yea I can imagine that people might get super defensive. For one I imagine lots of people own authenticated stuff from them. I don’t really have an opinion, not really familiar with BBCE and never had anything unopened authenticated.

The more I think about this whole thing, the more I question whether authenticating sealed multi million dollar cases should even be a thing at all, particularly if they are done so without opening the case to inspect contents. There’s just too much risk in the possibility something goes wrong and the contents are different. Not saying that’s the case here necessarily (I won’t speculate, I still think it can go either way), but I mean in general about authenticating a multi million dollar case.

[Kobe101]

After watching the latest video the whole thing is very suspect. Will be interesting to see what happens!

[grade]

Fake case. Most likely resealed packs also.
The Pokemon community is strong and know what they are talking about.

[sbfinley]

Originally Posted by TarjetasBéisbol

For the life of me I could never understand how people could think that one guy can call himself “an expert” on unopened product. Stepping in to “authentic” a product that he himself admitted to not knowing anything about is the peak of arrogance.

Steve never anointed himself an expert at anything. He filled a huge void in the unopened market after Larry Fritsch began having health issues and his business exploded. The market anointed him because he had product and customer service unrivaled in that niche of the market. From my understanding his authentication service came from the sheer number of people asking him to check their boxes/packs. Same for PSA, I’m fairly certain they reached out to him and not vice versa because that’s a dead product without Steve’s name attached to it.

It’s fair to criticize him for bungling this particular authentication if it turns out to be a bad case, simply on the it’s price and importantance. I think it’s kinda Asinine, however, it to attack his character. But you do you.

[PSA2Pac]

This the Meely Pops case?

Dude rubbed be the wrong way by acting wholesome in his vids but saw that dude acting beyond arrogant in another you tubers video

[Ianhatcher]

Uhhh It's fair to criticize him for a lot more than than just this one "sealed" case. Steve admitted to not knowing how to authenticate just sealed packs of Pokemon cards that he has been doing for PSA for some time from what I understand so that is big frickin problem.

That sheds a lot of light of a bigger issues outside of this one case...that SHOULD show the character of the man and he should be attacked for that if true he has been authenticating hundred maybe thousands of items that he has no clue what he is doing.

This should quite honestly ruin BBCE but because it's Pokemon it will be forgotten in a month. If this was Sports Cards people would be ready to burn the guys house down for pulling crap like this.

[KhalDrogo]

How long has BBCE been authenticating Pokemon packs for PSA?

[pip]

Originally Posted by Kobe101

I saw in one of the videos BBCE basically admitted some fakes packs got missed and are in PSA slabs. PSA can’t be happy with that admission.

BBCE just ruined their business. They provide no guarantee and how do you not confirm the barcode?

Or investigate the source/provenance. I've never seen so many red flags as there were in the original ebay auction.

[Ianhatcher]

https://www.bbcexchange.com/authentication

Under Authentication section

"Steve Hart, Owner of Baseball Card Exchange, is the hobby's foremost authenticator of unopened vintage wax packs and boxes. He is the only pack authenticator PSA has ever had. Wax packs, also called unopened packs, are collectible cards still in their original packaging."

I'm not sure if this is just referring to sports card packs though but if you go to about the 30 minute mark of Rattle's latest video he shows examples of fake packs even a 1st Edition Base that was cracked and opened and had all unlimited cards in it that looked like it was graded some time ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAL4hlHlPN0&t=8s

Unless there is a real Pokemon expert when they open this case I'm calling BS on all of it if there are 1st Edition boxes in it. I don't trust any of the guys involved in this.

[grade]

Originally Posted by sbfinley

Steve never anointed himself an expert at anything. He filled a huge void in the unopened market after Larry Fritsch began having health issues and his business exploded. The market anointed him because he had product and customer service unrivaled in that niche of the market. From my understanding his authentication service came from the sheer number of people asking him to check their boxes/packs. Same for PSA, I’m fairly certain they reached out to him and not vice versa because that’s a dead product without Steve’s name attached to it.

It’s fair to criticize him for bungling this particular authentication if it turns out to be a bad case, simply on the it’s price and importantance. I think it’s kinda Asinine, however, it to attack his character. But you do you.

Looked at the picture of the case. Took 1 second for my opinion it was fake.

Some of you that actually owned cases of vintage pokemon may understand what i am saying.

The Stop tape is wrong as they explained in the video.

But what i saw in 1 second was the budge in the case. If any of you owned multiple cases before. The cases are very strong and has flat surfaces. When i seen the logan box it seemed slightly bulging . You can stack these cases easily 5 high and they will be consistently stack.

Just an opinion of owning a lot of various vintage WOTC cases in the past (no , i am not rich cause is sold way too early thinking 2-3x was good enough, booo)

These Pokemon experts are good. My opinion is just made by raw handling of these cases in the past. No deep research.

[pip]

Originally Posted by TarjetasBéisbol

I’m pretty sure he needs to protect himself as much as possible with the way people are coming at him. I originally posted this in a Facebook vintage card group and there were some serious Steve Hart and BBCE defenders on there. For the life of me I could never understand how people could think that one guy can call himself “an expert” on unopened product. Stepping in to “authentic” a product that he himself admitted to not knowing anything about is the peak of arrogance.

It would be interesting to hear from Meelypops but I’m sure he’s scrambling to figure things out himself at this point.

I posted something similar here a few years ago and was attacked in the same way.

[CanadianKid]

Originally Posted by TarjetasBéisbol

For the life of me I could never understand how people could think that one guy can call himself “an expert” on unopened product. Stepping in to “authentic” a product that he himself admitted to not knowing anything about is the peak of arrogance.

Hold my beer

[cking]

Originally Posted by mjohnatgt

I have not either, yet. But there are plenty of notable examples of cards proven to be trimmed on this site that have gone back to PSA under a grade review and stayed in that holder (or reholdered with the same grade), while they had visible proof the card was trimmed from how it originally left the factory. Their cop-out was that they couldn't actually see any signs of alteration on the card.
Even if they can't detect it on the card, they had access to before images of the exact same cards with a 1/16" more on them.

I wonder if any of the PSA fanbois will have a comment for this post. I would love to hear an explanation as to how this can happen.

Spin city I am sure. Or the old, other companies mess up as well answer. Or try to discredit the person who post it. Maybe the deflection technique we see so often from them.

Which one will they pull out this time?

[pip]

Originally Posted by cking

I wonder if any of the PSA fanbois will have a comment for this post. I would love to hear an explanation as to how this can happen.

Spin city I am sure. Or the old, other companies mess up as well answer. Or try to discredit the person who post it. Maybe the deflection technique we see so often from them.

Which one will they pull out this time?

It's only an opinion and it's the best one right now in the industry. Besides, they grade quadrillions of unopened cases every minute. They're bound to make a few minor errors here and there. They're human. We all make $3.5 million errors like that. Every day.

[Kobe101]

Originally Posted by cking

I wonder if any of the PSA fanbois will have a comment for this post. I would love to hear an explanation as to how this can happen.

Spin city I am sure. Or the old, other companies mess up as well answer. Or try to discredit the person who post it. Maybe the deflection technique we see so often from them.

Which one will they pull out this time?

BBCE will do the same thing and their updated examination of the case will say it is a 100% real.

If the case is fake the boxes inside are going to be 1st edition boxes with fake shrink wrap that contain 1991 hoops skybox cards. They are never going to open the boxes themselves even if they open the case.

Joe Biden will take unscripted questions from real journalists before BBCE comes out and admits they screwed up.

[DynaEtch]

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Originally Posted by Kobe101

BBCE will do the same thing and their updated examination of the case will say it is a 100% real.

If the case is fake the boxes inside are going to be 1st edition boxes with fake shrink wrap that contain 1991 hoops skybox cards. They are never going to open the boxes themselves even if they open the case.

Joe Biden will take unscripted questions from real journalists before BBCE comes out and admits they screwed up.

Can we really be sure about that though. If it's fake, maybe the original seller is just banking on no one ever opening it. I dont know much about this release, but would 6 empty 1st edition base set boxes be very difficult to come by? Would that be super elaborate for a scammer to come up with? Who knows.

[jw8]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

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Can we really be sure about that though. If it's fake, maybe the original seller is just banking on no one ever opening it. I dont know much about this release, but would 6 empty 1st edition base set boxes be very difficult to come by? Would that be super elaborate for a scammer to come up with? Who knows.

In Rattle's last video he alluded to the fact that there is a known Pokemon scammer that specialized in faking 1st edition boxes and packs who just so happens to be from Alberta, Canada...that's the original eBay sellers location that sold the case to Jacob. To answer your question, I don't think it's unrealistic that once the case is opened it does indeed contain 6 boxes of 1st edition, but without opening the packs we will never be able to fully verify that the blaster boxes are authentic.

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[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

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Can we really be sure about that though. If it's fake, maybe the original seller is just banking on no one ever opening it. I dont know much about this release, but would 6 empty 1st edition base set boxes be very difficult to come by? Would that be super elaborate for a scammer to come up with? Who knows.

You can buy those empty boxes right now online. Have always been able to.

I want to know what the guy from Canada actually sold it for. A box at the time was $300-400k. A sealed case should have fetched $3M+. Anything less than $2M is yet another huge red flag.

[CanadianKid]

Originally Posted by jw8

In Rattle's last video he alluded to the fact that there is a known Pokemon scammer that specialized in faking 1st edition boxes and packs who just so happens to be from Alberta, Canada...that's the original eBay sellers location that sold the case to Jacob.
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And yet the sellers info some how tied in gatheringground.com by the email used. If I followed it correctly.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

You can buy those empty boxes right now online. Have always been able to.

I want to know what the guy from Canada actually sold it for. A box at the time was $300-400k. A sealed case should have fetched $3M+. Anything less than $2M is yet another huge red flag.

Yea I was checking eBay….looks like an empty box is still going for $1500-$2000ish, at least asking price. Just seems like non-trivial expense for a scammer (only talking hypothetically if this were fake) to spend on 6 if the sale price ended up close to the original eBay ending price of 70k-ish.

I wasn’t aware of the the fakes boxes being made though.

This is all getting into somewhat speculative territory of what exactly the boxes inside are. It would be interesting to see if this gets resolved in a transparent way….don’t have high hopes for this though.

[TarjetasBéisbol]

Originally Posted by sbfinley

Steve never anointed himself an expert at anything. He filled a huge void in the unopened market after Larry Fritsch began having health issues and his business exploded. The market anointed him because he had product and customer service unrivaled in that niche of the market. From my understanding his authentication service came from the sheer number of people asking him to check their boxes/packs. Same for PSA, I’m fairly certain they reached out to him and not vice versa because that’s a dead product without Steve’s name attached to it.

It’s fair to criticize him for bungling this particular authentication if it turns out to be a bad case, simply on the it’s price and importantance. I think it’s kinda Asinine, however, it to attack his character. But you do you.

See below...

Originally Posted by Ianhatcher

https://www.bbcexchange.com/authentication

Under Authentication section

"Steve Hart, Owner of Baseball Card Exchange, is the hobby's foremost authenticator of unopened vintage wax packs and boxes. He is the only pack authenticator PSA has ever had. Wax packs, also called unopened packs, are collectible cards still in their original packaging."

As usual, fan boys come out no matter what.

[pip]

Originally Posted by jw8

In Rattle's last video he alluded to the fact that there is a known Pokemon scammer that specialized in faking 1st edition boxes and packs who just so happens to be from Alberta, Canada...that's the original eBay sellers location that sold the case to Jacob. To answer your question, I don't think it's unrealistic that once the case is opened it does indeed contain 6 boxes of 1st edition, but without opening the packs we will never be able to fully verify that the blaster boxes are authentic.

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From the beginning the original seller presented himself as a scammer. Beyond that, the most convincing evidence for me was the barcode that didn't match the number above it. That's a fatal error and you don't need to know a thing about the case to figure that one out. Five seconds with a barcode app would have diagnosed the problem. BBCE's carelessness here does not inspire confidence. It's probably nothing more than base unlimited boxes inside.

I also find it concerning that BBCE admits that for a period of time it graded bad (resealed) foil packs from 2003 UD basketball, 1993 SP baseball, and vintage Pokémon because it was sure that no one could tamper with that type of thing. The level of naiveté here is stunning. Card molesters are reperforating 1991 SIFK Tiger Woods cards and they're not resealing foil packs?

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Yea I was checking eBay….looks like an empty box is still going for $1500-$2000ish, at least asking price. Just seems like non-trivial expense for a scammer (only talking hypothetically if this were fake) to spend on 6 if the sale price ended up close to the original eBay ending price of 70k-ish.

I wasn’t aware of the the fakes boxes being made though.

This is all getting into somewhat speculative territory of what exactly the boxes inside are. It would be interesting to see if this gets resolved in a transparent way….don’t have high hopes for this though.

He wouldn’t have had to purchase them at current day prices. This is a product that is more than 20 years old. I’d put money on the Canadian seller not even being the one who put together the case. The guy writes like an 8 year old. But he certainly knew it wasn’t real.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

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Can we really be sure about that though. If it's fake, maybe the original seller is just banking on no one ever opening it. I dont know much about this release, but would 6 empty 1st edition base set boxes be very difficult to come by? Would that be super elaborate for a scammer to come up with? Who knows.

If the boxes were real and factory sealed the original seller could have sold them for millions. I forget exactly when Logan Paul bought 6 boxes of 1st ed for 2m. Believe that was late 2020 and early 2021.

The seller could have sold the “sealed” case for millions. Yet he supposedly sold it for six figures to the two guys that then sold it to shyne. Whatever that amount may be, its less than 7 figures.

That to me is reason enough to doubt the authenticity.