Is Juan Soto really 23? - Page 3

JRX · 08-02-2022, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jcmel323

not sure if i say it appropiately but dominicans body mature faster than most latinos. You can see a 18 year old with a 26 year old body. Their body mass is huge compared to most caribbean countries. Its probably the food and the way of life.

That also can be a double edged sword. Maintaining that body after 30 is tough

That's because they're all really 2 years older than they claim.

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atk825 · 08-02-2022, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jcmel323

not sure if i say it appropiately but dominicans body mature faster than most latinos. You can see a 18 year old with a 26 year old body. Their body mass is huge compared to most caribbean countries. Its probably the food and the way of life.

That also can be a double edged sword. Maintaining that body after 30 is tough

Have you double checked your calipers?

CanadianKid · 08-02-2022, 07:39 PM

The only thing throwing me off the trail is IF he was lying about his age why wouldn't he jump on a $400-$500M contract now and risk seeing where things go for him in 2 years. That made me pause. Unless he feels 2 years at 26 is no big deal lol Look at Judge, just needs some protein shakes at 28 and he'll be all set.

callou2131 · 08-02-2022, 08:17 PM

I think Jackson Holiday was on my local 13 and under little league team last year

RiceBondsMT2Yng · 08-02-2022, 08:49 PM

Silly poster, don't you know racism doesn't exist anymore? Obama's black, Trump's orange, and Netflix told us orange is the new black

djdevon · 08-02-2022, 08:58 PM

The race card is the refuge of the midwit

jhssketchcards · 08-02-2022, 09:00 PM

Yep. And David Ortiz didn’t know he took PEDs. I thought everyone knew this.

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eye4talent · 08-02-2022, 09:10 PM

Juan played for Hagerstown in parts of 2017 and 2018, when he was 18 and 19. He sure looks 18 or 19 in this photo.

Hopefully this helps alleviate concerns…?

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ninjacookies · 08-02-2022, 09:12 PM

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Carbon dating latin prospect stool samples needs to start being a thing.

jcmel323 · 08-02-2022, 10:12 PM

its very difficult to fake a birth certificate when your high school friends know you. It has happened several times with cubans but that's a different story. There's basically no papers.

Yes, it has also happened in Dominican Republic but not recently.

Having said that., the new norm is to send the kid to miami high school one or two grades lower. They put in the papers that he failed school and need to repeat the grade. That way the kid will look way more dominant that the other kids in his grade. The kid destroys highschool league with insane numbers and rest its history.

The kid stays in miami with a stranger that take cares of him. That caretaker is being paid behind closed doors. Usually the caretaker have 3-8 kids with the same story.

Bambino22 · 08-02-2022, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jcmel323

its very difficult to fake a birth certificate when your high school friends know you. It has happened several times with cubans but that's a different story. There's basically no papers.

Yes, it has also happened in Dominican Republic but not recently.

Having said that., the new norm is to send the kid to miami high school one or two grades lower. They put in the papers that he failed school and need to repeat the grade. That way the kid will look way more dominant that the other kids in his grade. The kid destroys highschool league with insane numbers and rest its history.

The kid stays in miami with a stranger that take cares of him. That caretaker is being paid behind closed doors. Usually the caretaker have 3-8 kids with the same story.

Are your second two paragraphs intended to be serious or a joke. I don't know.

quackhead · 08-02-2022, 11:53 PM

Tatis is #23 and Juan Soto is #22

CanadianKid · 08-03-2022, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by quackhead

Tatis is #23 and Juan Soto is #22

I legit miss hearing that

BGeezy · 08-03-2022, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Bambino22

Are your second two paragraphs intended to be serious or a joke. I don't know.

You'd be shocked at the crazy things that happen like this in Miami, so I wouldn’t be surprised.

jcmel323 · 08-03-2022, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bambino22

Are your second two paragraphs intended to be serious or a joke. I don't know.

everything is real. They offered it to me but i didnt accept. My family flatly decline to repeat the grade. At that time it was any sports (baseball, basketball, volleyball)
My high school had 4 of the best players at that moment. Two went to miami (1dominican and 1puertorican) and the other two (including me) stayed.

The dominican is a professional baseball player (not mlb right now). The puerto rican end up changing sports and its one of the best volleyball players on the island.

Dominicans escape thru small boats called "yola" and enter Puerto Rico. Cubans deserters end up mostly in miami or anywhere that the cuban national team stays.

CollectKep26 · 08-04-2022, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Bambino22

Are your second two paragraphs intended to be serious or a joke. I don't know.

I wish a person could say it's a joke, but it's not. Has been happening for decades with HS football players. Not uncommon to see 19 or 20 year old HS Seniors. Kelvin Benjamin is the one example that comes to my mind right away, was 20 when he graduated.

TheHeel · 08-03-2022, 11:36 AM

What's my age again?

dashcol · 08-03-2022, 12:01 PM

So I have never understood, when you are being drafted by MLB what is the benefit of lying and saying you are 15 instead of 20?

Does anyone really think Soto would not have been drafted if he was 20?

I do know in the DR, there are not very good records of birth, and some of these guys may not know how old they truly are, but that would more be I think I’m 15, but really he was 17.

Really though what is the point?

If Pujols was really 50 instead of 40, would that not be even more impressive what he has done?

ScooterD · 08-03-2022, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dashcol

So I have never understood, when you are being drafted by MLB what is the benefit of lying and saying you are 15 instead of 20?

Does anyone really think Soto would not have been drafted if he was 20?

I do know in the DR, there are not very good records of birth, and some of these guys may not know how old they truly are, but that would more be I think I’m 15, but really he was 17.

Really though what is the point?

If Pujols was really 50 instead of 40, would that not be even more impressive what he has done?

I think the reasoning is that, when deciding whether to provide two equally-skilled prospects the same $, training, opportunities, and coaching, the younger of the two will improve more than the older - or, even if both improve at the same rate, you can have a MLB player on a rookie contract at 21 instead of 23.

So much of this is on the assumption that players will improve until age X, and skills will start to decline at age Y. Even if Pujols’ age is accurate, he peaked before expected and regressed before expected

dashcol · 08-03-2022, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ScooterD

I think the reasoning is that, when deciding whether to provide two equally-skilled prospects the same $, training, opportunities, and coaching, the younger of the two will improve more than the older - or, even if both improve at the same rate, you can have a MLB player on a rookie contract at 21 instead of 23.

So much of this is on the assumption that players will improve until age X, and skills will start to decline at age Y. Even if Pujols’ age is accurate, he peaked before expected and regressed before expected

I can see that, but MLB also drafts guys out of college at 22-23, knowing they may not be MLB ready until 26, and still pay high draft bonuses.

I can see the point you made though.

ScooterD · 08-03-2022, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dashcol

I can see that, but MLB also drafts guys out of college at 22-23, knowing they may not be MLB ready until 26, and still pay high draft bonuses.

I can see the point you made though.

I ask this in all honesty - do you think teams who draft college players expect them to spend less time in the minors than the international draftees? I would think so… but I really don’t know

whitmm · 08-03-2022, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dashcol

So I have never understood, when you are being drafted by MLB what is the benefit of lying and saying you are 15 instead of 20?

Does anyone really think Soto would not have been drafted if he was 20?

I do know in the DR, there are not very good records of birth, and some of these guys may not know how old they truly are, but that would more be I think I’m 15, but really he was 17.

Really though what is the point?

If Pujols was really 50 instead of 40, would that not be even more impressive what he has done?

Most of the lying starts before the draft. If you were 17 and lied and said you were 15, you'd most likely be playing against kids 2 years younger than you. So those great numbers you put up are misleading. Think of Danny Almonte in the LLWS. Your entire draft prospectus is based off you competing against people your same age, not people 2 years younger.

Then, on the other side, when free agency starts, you think a guy is 26-27 when he's really closer to 30. You offer a contract based on thinking he's just hitting his prime, instead of he's 2-3 years into it already. It affects the years offered and the per year amounts.

dashcol · 08-03-2022, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ScooterD

I ask this in all honesty - do you think teams who draft college players expect them to spend less time in the minors than the international draftees? I would think so… but I really don’t know

Very fair point, college time would be able to be more thought of as minor league time so they would be MLB ready earlier, very true.

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Originally Posted by whitmm

Most of the lying starts before the draft. If you were 17 and lied and said you were 15, you'd most likely be playing against kids 2 years younger than you. So those great numbers you put up are misleading. Think of Danny Almonte in the LLWS. Your entire draft prospectus is based off you competing against people your same age, not people 2 years younger.

Then, on the other side, when free agency starts, you think a guy is 26-27 when he's really closer to 30. You offer a contract based on thinking he's just hitting his prime, instead of he's 2-3 years into it already. It affects the years offered and the per year amounts.

Makes sense. It’s all about the deception then, not really the playing time necessarily.

LVDan · 08-03-2022, 12:04 PM

When Andy arrived at Shawshank I put Red at around 40 years old. Could be wrong but the receipts check out.

base set · 08-03-2022, 12:11 PM

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When Andy arrived at Shawshank I put Red at around 40 years old. Could be wrong but the receipts check out.

I was thinking about posting that card. Makes me think Soto is young (Swingers, Made) Jon Favreau’s lost older brother.

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jcmel323 Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 2,934	its very difficult to fake a birth certificate when your high school friends know you. It has happened several times with cubans but that's a different story. There's basically no papers. Yes, it has also happened in Dominican Republic but not recently. Having said that., the new norm is to send the kid to miami high school one or two grades lower. They put in the papers that he failed school and need to repeat the grade. That way the kid will look way more dominant that the other kids in his grade. The kid destroys highschool league with insane numbers and rest its history. The kid stays in miami with a stranger that take cares of him. That caretaker is being paid behind closed doors. Usually the caretaker have 3-8 kids with the same story.

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