How could u capitalize off Damars downfall…. How….. - Page 3

TheFrenzy · 01-03-2023, 10:35 AM

Here’s an easy challenge…

If someone is committed to defending these practices, then make the following your 2023 signature:

“It is my legal right to freely profit from the notoriety of people who are actively suffering and possibly even dying and for a few hundred dollars I will gladly seek to maximize those profits—your moral compass and opinion of me be damned.”

If that’s your view of the world, at least do the rest of us a favor and make it clearly known.

JeremyNick · 01-03-2023, 10:35 AM

TheFrenzy · 01-03-2023, 10:37 AM

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The working girls are a metaphor.

We’ve come full circle in the worst way and at the worst time.

NeedChapmans · 01-03-2023, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jplarson

I'm not trying to connect money management. I find people trying to profit off of a guy who is in critical condition minutes after he was hurt to be scummy. That their first thought wasn't compassion but profit.

My first instinct when I watched it was sadness and fear for him and his family, not opening up Photoshop to make a custom cards to print and make a couple hundred bucks or rifling through my shoe boxes to see if I have autographs I can list on eBay. But that's how I'm wired, I understand if that's not how others are.

But you are. You're connecting the events, personally.

They don't have to connect.

JeremyNick · 01-03-2023, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

The working girls are a metaphor.

We’ve come full circle in the worst way and at the worst time.

While I don’t look down on working girls.

I don’t add them to my PC.

NeedChapmans · 01-03-2023, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Here’s an easy challenge…

If someone is committed to defending these practices, then make the following your 2023 signature:

“It is my legal right to freely profit from the notoriety of people who are actively suffering and possibly even dying and for a few hundred dollars I will gladly seek to maximize those profits—your moral compass and opinion of me be damned.”

If that’s your view of the world, at least do the rest of us a favor and make it clearly known.

I think the last part is a bit much, but are you OK with the signature without the moral compass bit?

NeedChapmans · 01-03-2023, 10:39 AM

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I didn’t say or suggest that. As I said, the inability to not loop in extremes (Enron, Madoff, WTF?) is the issue. This is a card forum, people outing others trying to profit off cards of a player involved in a tragedy seems really relevant to discuss. Enron does not. And moreso, you can disagree and can buy and profit. That is as I said, Capitalism at its best. So is what you see here.

If someone out something/something that is a shady, is that a problem? Because from your post, you seem to think it’s a problem.

No, I don't believe it to be shady. I believe it to be human.

TheFrenzy · 01-03-2023, 10:40 AM

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While I don’t look down on working girls.

I don’t add them to my PC.

We’re walking a fine line at this point.

I’ll just say “agreed” and wait for someone else to go sprinting over the line oakhurst-style.

NeedChapmans · 01-03-2023, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

We’re walking a fine line at this point.

I’ll just say “agreed” and wait for someone else to go sprinting over the line oakhurst-style.

How does it look?

TheFrenzy · 01-03-2023, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I think the last part is a bit much, but are you OK with the signature without the moral compass bit?

Anything that clearly states one’s priorities regarding profit and compassion.

And before any lines get drawn, I’ve seen you as a libertarian-but-not-heartless person. If you were to make a deal with someone on Blowout and there was a complication would you seek a fair and gracious resolution or would you push to get everything you could?

I feel like you would do the former and that would distinguish you from the heartless, likely-financially-desperate sellers that I’m opposed to.

sethc1020 · 01-03-2023, 10:44 AM

I totally get the argument for the ones making fake cards, unlicensed autos, fake pictures, ect ect. My only argument is for the person that is a fellow hobbymen that has been collecting, buying packs, boxes, ect for a long time that may have a random card of a guy that was worth nothing yesterday sitting in a 4 row somewhere deciding to selling a card that is now in high demand for whatever reason. For this guy, I can't condem him as being the scum of the Earth and morally shallow.

NeedChapmans · 01-03-2023, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Anything that clearly states one’s priorities regarding profit and compassion.

And before any lines get drawn, I’ve seen you as a libertarian-but-not-heartless person. If you were to make a deal with someone on Blowout and there was a complication would you seek a fair and gracious resolution or would you push to get everything you could?

I feel like you would do the former and that would distinguish you from the heartless, likely-financially-desperate sellers that I’m opposed to.

It's not about being heartless ... it's about understanding that in order to make an emotional connection with someone, there has to be a receiver on the other line. And I cannot do that for 8 billion people; so I choose to do that for my family, friends, community, and those that I know.

Untiil the advent of the television; this was the norm.

Asian62150 · 01-03-2023, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Haha. I knew something like this would happen as soon as I wrote it. Thanks for making me laugh =)

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Here’s an easy challenge…

If someone is committed to defending these practices, then make the following your 2023 signature:

“It is my legal right to freely profit from the notoriety of people who are actively suffering and possibly even dying and for a few hundred dollars I will gladly seek to maximize those profits—your moral compass and opinion of me be damned.”

If that’s your view of the world, at least do the rest of us a favor and make it clearly known.

By the way, this is part of the problem in my opinion. Why do we have to be so extreme? This one opinion sets our view of the world?

Is it possible/ok for people to be moderately in the middle?

I don't have any Hamlin cards and don't plan to buy/sell but I'm not gonna judge those that are selling. As I've said before, I can see how it comes off in bad taste, but everyone's situation is different.

If you're against those selling, that's fine. You don't have to stamp a scarlet "A" on those that are ok with it. I'm fine with having a discussion about it and all, but let's not identify ppl that way unless they chose to do that themselves.

JeremyNick · 01-03-2023, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

No, I don't believe it to be shady. I believe it to be human.

You’re artfully avoiding answering the actual question.

TheFrenzy · 01-03-2023, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

It's not about being heartless ... it's about understanding that in order to make an emotional connection with someone, there has to be a receiver on the other line. And I cannot do that for 8 billion people; so I choose to do that for my family, friends, community, and those that I know.

Untiil the advent of the television; this was the norm.

I get that.

For the record, you're talking to a former social worker who is now a teacher.

I think we're probably in close agreement as to the tantamount importance of individual liberty (I don't vote red or blue), but it sounds like we're radically different on the attitude one should take towards utilizing those liberties.

I tend to gravitate towards the founding generation's conception of Liberty as "the freedom to do right."

JeremyNick · 01-03-2023, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

We’re walking a fine line at this point.

I’ll just say “agreed” and wait for someone else to go sprinting over the line oakhurst-style.

NeedChapmans · 01-03-2023, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by JeremyNick

You’re artfully avoiding answering the actual question.

There's nothing shady about it; so the question doesn't apply. The sale of goods is determined by current market conditions. Your emotion toward the product is included in those conditions.

NeedChapmans · 01-03-2023, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

I get that.

For the record, you're talking to a former social worker who is now a teacher.

I think we're probably in close agreement as to the tantamount importance of individual liberty (I don't vote red or blue), but it sounds like we're radically different on the attitude one should take towards utilizing those liberties.

I tend to gravitate towards the founding generation's conception of Liberty as "the freedom to do right."

I agree with you. Where I disagree is your definition of right ... because in this instance I don't believe anyone to be wronged.

carlo16 · 01-03-2023, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

I get that.

For the record, you're talking to a former social worker who is now a teacher.

I think we're probably in close agreement as to the tantamount importance of individual liberty (I don't vote red or blue), but it sounds like we're radically different on the attitude one should take towards utilizing those liberties.

I tend to gravitate towards the founding generation's conception of Liberty as "the freedom to do right."

Those poor children. At least we don't have to click on your threads and have the ignore option.

TheFrenzy · 01-03-2023, 11:02 AM

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Those poor children. At least we don't have to click on your threads and have the ignore option.

My ignore list is empty because I believe in the free exchange of ideas.

I would encourage you to consider adopting that same perspective.

Grid · 01-03-2023, 11:02 AM

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I find it interesting that so many of those members who are defending this behavior are also already talking about Hamlin like he’s dead.

Very telling.

Why would you quote me for this little statement? I said (what you quoted) For everyone who liked him, they are looking to buy something just in case he passes, or can never sign again.

And I went on to mention McMichael, who can never sign again (but isn't dead).

How is that talking about him, as if hes already dead?

JeremyNick · 01-03-2023, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

There's nothing shady about it; so the question doesn't apply. The sale of goods is determined by current market conditions. Your emotion toward the product is included in those conditions.

Your lack of emotion, or moral compass also plays a part in those conditions.

That was not my question and I don’t need to ask a 3rd time to know why you refuse to answer.

NeedChapmans · 01-03-2023, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Your lack of emotion, or moral compass also plays a part in those conditions.

That was not my question and I don’t need to ask a 3rd time to know why you refuse to answer.

I thought your question was whether or not it's OK to out someone doing something shady. Perhaps you can tell me your question directly, happy to answer directly!

(And it's not a lack of emotion or moral compass ... rather focused emotion and morals).

49erRCCollector · 01-03-2023, 11:11 AM

It’s a matter of taste and conscience. But it is what it is.

Defending these sellers is an odd hill to die on, though. Even on principle.

Grid · 01-03-2023, 11:11 AM

There are 2 ways to turn money in this hobby. Accomplishment, and tragedy. And both ways, someone will try to throw shade on sales.

Purdy goes from the common bin to rising star, and people shame those flipping his cards as not being a true fans.

Ed Sprinkle went from a $10 auto, as a forgotten Bears star, to $100+ once he made the hall of fame after he died.

If someone suddenly heard about Damar, all his charity work and his toy drive due to the media attention after his accident. And they now want his cards, so what?

People wanted to buy Rae Carruth and Aaron Hernandez after their convictions. Should people refuse more money when selling their stuff, because they deem others as distasteful?

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sethc1020 Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Indiana Posts: 5,655 sethc_1020	I totally get the argument for the ones making fake cards, unlicensed autos, fake pictures, ect ect. My only argument is for the person that is a fellow hobbymen that has been collecting, buying packs, boxes, ect for a long time that may have a random card of a guy that was worth nothing yesterday sitting in a 4 row somewhere deciding to selling a card that is now in high demand for whatever reason. For this guy, I can't condem him as being the scum of the Earth and morally shallow. __________________ https://www.flickr.com/gp/151086784@N06/28H47r Last edited by sethc1020; 01-03-2023 at 10:48 AM.

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49erRCCollector Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,638	It’s a matter of taste and conscience. But it is what it is. Defending these sellers is an odd hill to die on, though. Even on principle. __________________ Will MASSIVELY overpay for: 2002 Fleer Authentix #180, 181 Derek Smith & Zack Bronson AND 2007 Upper Deck Target Exclusive Rookies Autographs #261 Joe Staley #'d to /5

01-03-2023, 10:35 AM	#51
TheFrenzy Banned Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Texan in AZ Posts: 44,115	Here’s an easy challenge… If someone is committed to defending these practices, then make the following your 2023 signature: “It is my legal right to freely profit from the notoriety of people who are actively suffering and possibly even dying and for a few hundred dollars I will gladly seek to maximize those profits—your moral compass and opinion of me be damned.” If that’s your view of the world, at least do the rest of us a favor and make it clearly known.

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JeremyNick Banned Join Date: Jun 2019 Posts: 22,801

01-03-2023, 11:11 AM	#75
Grid Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 13,066 Gridiron-Gladiators	There are 2 ways to turn money in this hobby. Accomplishment, and tragedy. And both ways, someone will try to throw shade on sales. Purdy goes from the common bin to rising star, and people shame those flipping his cards as not being a true fans. Ed Sprinkle went from a $10 auto, as a forgotten Bears star, to $100+ once he made the hall of fame after he died. If someone suddenly heard about Damar, all his charity work and his toy drive due to the media attention after his accident. And they now want his cards, so what? People wanted to buy Rae Carruth and Aaron Hernandez after their convictions. Should people refuse more money when selling their stuff, because they deem others as distasteful?