A Card Has Not Sold Publicly in At Least a Decade, You Want It, How to Price It? - Page 3

MiamiMarlinsFan · 09-20-2023, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by SoccerRCs

Thank you all for your help so very very much. It has been a really fruitful thread for me. I appreciate everyone's insights.

I think this is my concern and it's another interesting question about cards in general. What if a card sells so infrequently that it isn't able to build up any real cache (or hype, though I hate using that word) in the hobby? IMO this card should go for big money like the owner expects but if hardly anyone knows about it, it may just never go for the money it deserves. It's a more broad question but one I am pondering.

So this is more of an investment than a PC add. If this is a long term flip, you should have no probable playing hardball (even if that means potentially losing out on it).

SoccerRCs · 09-20-2023, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

So this is more of an investment than a PC add. If this is a long term flip, you should have no probable playing hardball (even if that means potentially losing out on it).

Never a super clear line for me on this stuff. I have never sold a single Bonds card I bought... I take it back, I bought two that I regretted buying (got overextended scratching an itch) and sold them within 2 months of buying them. Everything else, I keep for myself in my PC. That said, yeah, I see myself probably selling them down the line somewhere in the very distant future. 10+ years minimum. I have a family. For cards at this price, I'd like it to have some decent chance of at least retaining 70-80% of its value. I think most people feel this way.

stryk · 09-20-2023, 04:21 AM

With the way the Bonds market has exploded in the last few years, I actually think the value is closer to if not over the 5k price. All it takes is one Super Collector of his or this set and that price could be easily reached. With super rare cards, all it takes is patience by the seller and you have a good chance of getting what some would consider stupid money for a card. Heck a Dave Parker from that set did 400+. If I was the seller, I would list for 10k obo and see what the market says. It’s an awesome card.

SoccerRCs · 09-20-2023, 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by stryk

With the way the Bonds market has exploded in the last few years, I actually think the value is closer to if not over the 5k price. All it takes is one Super Collector of his or this set and that price could be easily reached. With super rare cards, all it takes is patience by the seller and you have a good chance of getting what some would consider stupid money for a card. Heck a Dave Parker from that set did 400+. If I was the seller, I would list for 10k obo and see what the market says. It’s an awesome card.

There is part of me that thinks this is accurate. I think especially if you are familiar with the deeper dynamics of Bonds particular market, it makes sense to me that it would go for over 5k which is why I am so torn.

cardsin47 · 09-20-2023, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by stryk

With the way the Bonds market has exploded in the last few years…..

I don’t collect Bonds or follow his sales / is this ^ correct?
….and if so, what is driving the increase?

Triple B · 09-20-2023, 05:35 AM

Here’s your comp…

Archangel1775 · 09-20-2023, 05:38 AM

I can't think of a jersey card that wasn't a MLB logoman and/or autographed sell for over $1k. Tough card being numbered to /10 though. It'll probably take a couple deep pockets to sell over $1k. $5k to $10k is just ridiculous. You can buy an original Tiffany PSA 10 for that price.

SoccerRCs · 09-20-2023, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Triple B

Here’s your comp…

Not the same card. What are you suggesting? Some type of multiplier? If so, what?

MiamiMarlinsFan · 09-20-2023, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by SoccerRCs

Never a super clear line for me on this stuff. I have never sold a single Bonds card I bought... I take it back, I bought two that I regretted buying (got overextended scratching an itch) and sold them within 2 months of buying them. Everything else, I keep for myself in my PC. That said, yeah, I see myself probably selling them down the line somewhere in the very distant future. 10+ years minimum. I have a family. For cards at this price, I'd like it to have some decent chance of at least retaining 70-80% of its value. I think most people feel this way.

That’s fine. Not every card has to be a grail you take to the grave. It just changes the dynamic of the negotiation with this guy, and which advice you should listen to here. Sounds like you’ve overpaid in the past are reluctant to do that again. I would sweat this guy out. Call his $5k bluff. And if for some wild chance, he finds a $5k buyer, you can sleep well at night knowing it wasn’t you who wildly overpaid this time.

Remmons22 · 09-20-2023, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SoccerRCs

Not the same card. What are you suggesting? Some type of multiplier? If so, what?

It is though. Not sure why your so eager to pay more for this card.

no10pin · 09-20-2023, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Remmons22

It is though. Not sure why your so eager to pay more for this card.

Not the same card, that's the unnumbered version. The one the OP is talking about is a refractor numbered out of 10.

towerymt · 09-20-2023, 08:54 AM

28.6418 multiplier, so that brings $174.57 up to.....

Five thousand.

Still sounds high.

PumpnDumpling · 09-20-2023, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by cardsin47

I don’t collect Bonds or follow his sales / is this ^ correct?
….and if so, what is driving the increase?

Its really just people acknowledging his total body of work, especially in comparison with his contemporaries

Looking at his BBRef stats page will make your head explode, his numbers dwarf nearly every other player in the modern era and a growing sentiment amongst fans/collectors/speculators is that ped use in a large swath if not the majority of professional athletes is assumed

Triple B · 09-20-2023, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SoccerRCs

Not the same card. What are you suggesting? Some type of multiplier? If so, what?

What's the general rule of thumb for a refractor? 1.5x? Adding numbered to 10...MAYBE 3x? I wouldn't pay a lot more than $500, BUT, if you haven't seen it in years and you want to add it, you'll need to decide how much higher than that you'll go.

gmarutiak · 09-20-2023, 09:12 AM

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Don't let yourself get attached to anything you are not willing to walk out on in 30 seconds flat if you feel the heat around the corner.

I recently read that Michael Mann is working on a sequel (prequel?).

oldgoldy97 · 09-20-2023, 09:17 AM

I don’t see the auto.

OhioLawyerF5 · 09-20-2023, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Triple B

What's the general rule of thumb for a refractor? 1.5x? Adding numbered to 10...MAYBE 3x? I wouldn't pay a lot more than $500, BUT, if you haven't seen it in years and you want to add it, you'll need to decide how much higher than that you'll go.

That's not at all how the rare card market from the late 90s/early 00s works. It's not like today where there are 45 different low numbered parallels. When there is 1 parallel of a card and it's numbered to 10 from back then, the multipliers are HUGE.

towerymt · 09-20-2023, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

I don’t see the auto.

TBP peeled it

SupermanBrandon · 09-20-2023, 09:47 AM

Just pass on it and wait for the next one

salas1991 · 09-20-2023, 09:51 AM

I'm surprised no one has suggested tree fiddy yet.

RedLabelRecords · 09-20-2023, 10:21 AM

It’s a nice looking card. Don’t let it get away.

Just make a fair comfortable offer. Times like these are good problems to have.

no10pin · 09-20-2023, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Triple B

What's the general rule of thumb for a refractor? 1.5x? Adding numbered to 10...MAYBE 3x? I wouldn't pay a lot more than $500, BUT, if you haven't seen it in years and you want to add it, you'll need to decide how much higher than that you'll go.

You just can't apply modern multipliers to 20-25 year old stuff. There weren't 35 parallels back then, and these don't see the light of day very often.

Rage · 09-20-2023, 10:51 AM

Offer the $2k you'd give "in a heartbeat" and go from there. Not gonna get anywhere without making an offer to start the negotiation.

MoreToppsPlease · 09-20-2023, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by PumpnDumpling

Its really just people acknowledging his total body of work, especially in comparison with his contemporaries

Looking at his BBRef stats page will make your head explode, his numbers dwarf nearly every other player in the modern era and a growing sentiment amongst fans/collectors/speculators is that ped use in a large swath if not the majority of professional athletes is assumed

Which body, pre or post PEDs? They’re obviously different bodies.

Plenty of people looking to create influence and flip here. Maybe they could try flipping Matchbox or those new Disney cards instead to make some cash.

MoreToppsPlease · 09-20-2023, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by no10pin

You just can't apply modern multipliers to 20-25 year old stuff. There weren't 35 parallels back then, and these don't see the light of day very often.

Yes, the modern stuff is completely overvalued but will slide back down to 20-25 year old levels soon.

The hobby can’t support current card prices on both old and new stuff.

09-20-2023, 04:21 AM	#53
stryk Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Lexington, Ky Posts: 2,078 checkoutmycards-stryk stryk	With the way the Bonds market has exploded in the last few years, I actually think the value is closer to if not over the 5k price. All it takes is one Super Collector of his or this set and that price could be easily reached. With super rare cards, all it takes is patience by the seller and you have a good chance of getting what some would consider stupid money for a card. Heck a Dave Parker from that set did 400+. If I was the seller, I would list for 10k obo and see what the market says. It’s an awesome card. __________________ Always Trading for 2014 Mookie Betts

09-20-2023, 05:35 AM	#56
Triple B Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Toronto Posts: 6,233	Here’s your comp… __________________ Wanted Dead or Alive! 1. 1997 Bowman's Best Jose Cruz, Jr Atomic Refractor Autograph 2. 1997 SPx Jose Cruz, Jr. Grand Finale /50

09-20-2023, 05:38 AM	#57
Archangel1775 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Cali baby! Posts: 21,892	I can't think of a jersey card that wasn't a MLB logoman and/or autographed sell for over $1k. Tough card being numbered to /10 though. It'll probably take a couple deep pockets to sell over $1k. $5k to $10k is just ridiculous. You can buy an original Tiffany PSA 10 for that price. __________________ *There are the intangibles that set someone apart from the pack.So the blur isn't your inability to see his greatness, it's merely the inability to measure it.* Last edited by Archangel1775; 09-20-2023 at 05:57 AM.

09-20-2023, 09:17 AM	#66
oldgoldy97 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 51,495	I don’t see the auto. __________________ Truly riveting discussion: that’s what your wife/girlfriend/sheep said.

09-20-2023, 10:51 AM	#73
Rage Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: CA Posts: 3,470 santacruzbaseballcards1	Offer the $2k you'd give "in a heartbeat" and go from there. Not gonna get anywhere without making an offer to start the negotiation. __________________ Check out my eBay store

09-20-2023, 08:54 AM	#62
towerymt Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: VA Posts: 8,824	28.6418 multiplier, so that brings $174.57 up to..... Five thousand. Still sounds high.

09-20-2023, 09:47 AM	#69
SupermanBrandon Banned Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: TN Posts: 15,843	Just pass on it and wait for the next one

09-20-2023, 09:51 AM	#70
salas1991 Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Location: Earth Posts: 1,321	I'm surprised no one has suggested tree fiddy yet.

09-20-2023, 10:21 AM	#71
RedLabelRecords Member Join Date: Dec 2022 Location: Wine Country 🍷 Posts: 1,050 ___	It’s a nice looking card. Don’t let it get away. Just make a fair comfortable offer. Times like these are good problems to have.