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Old 08-15-2024, 04:46 PM   #51
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Now calculate the odds on the parallels lol

That number... they might need to add a few more parallels... that's a ton of base.

What will eBay price be once in hand? $3.25 delivered?
These will be $1/each on COMC by Thanksgiving.
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Old 08-15-2024, 05:28 PM   #52
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These will be $1/each on COMC by Thanksgiving.
Can’t take a loss, bruh.

Someone needs to step it up and offer the $3 million the triple auto card truly deserves.

It’s a 1/1.

It’s as rare as the Luka NT RPA Logoman card and he’s got multiple Logomen 1/1 to choose from.

Plus all three players are better than Luka. The triple auto should be worth at least triple the price.
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Old 08-15-2024, 05:33 PM   #53
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Official PR 588,030.

I'm not sure what the correct average purchase price would be, since many people would buy bundles. But if we say for example 8 dollars average price that is 4.7 million in revenue right there.
That’s insane.

Getting pretty close to print run of the original 1991-92 skybox dream team cards.
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Old 08-15-2024, 05:38 PM   #54
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So really, it’s primarily the flip factor where you have three public entities announcing bounties to back up your confidence in purchasing it at that price.
You can recall a few days ago when I said I'd pay $100k before I was aware of any of these bounties.
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Old 08-15-2024, 05:46 PM   #55
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You can recall a few days ago when I said I'd pay $100k before I was aware of any of these bounties.
That is true.


But you never implied you would actually keep the card for your “PC.”

I hope you believe there are better investments out there for your collection.

I could offer a bounty higher than Goldin’s, but IMO it would be one of the grossest overpays in the history of the hobby if I did.
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Old 08-15-2024, 06:08 PM   #56
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That is true.


But you never implied you would actually keep the card for your “PC.”

I hope you believe there are better investments out there for your collection.

I could offer a bounty higher than Goldin’s, but IMO it would be one of the grossest overpays in the history of the hobby if I did.
No, I wouldn't.

I would sell it as quickly as I could to the highest bidder. But it doesn't change the fact that I am willing to pay $100k to become the first buyer of this card.

It's no different than saying I would have paid $200 for the first Wemby base Prizm graded PSA 10 because I could sell if immediately for $500, knowing that long term it wouldn't be worth than much once the graded population was up. At that point in time that Wemby would have been well worth the $200 I'd have to pay just like at this time the Tripe Auto would be well worth the $100k I am willing to pay.
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Old 08-15-2024, 06:17 PM   #57
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No, I wouldn't.

I would sell it as quickly as I could to the highest bidder. But it doesn't change the fact that I am willing to pay $100k to become the first buyer of this card.

It's no different than saying I would have paid $200 for the first Wemby base Prizm graded PSA 10 because I could sell if immediately for $500, knowing that long term it wouldn't be worth than much once the graded population was up. At that point in time that Wemby would have been well worth the $200 I'd have to pay just like at this time the Tripe Auto would be well worth the $100k I am willing to pay.
Point taken.

Would you have offered $500k for the Wemby super before the blez offer?

The prices being thrown around are IMO pretty insane. They are at corporate level.
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Old 08-15-2024, 06:17 PM   #58
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That is true.


But you never implied you would actually keep the card for your “PC.”

I hope you believe there are better investments out there for your collection.

I could offer a bounty higher than Goldin’s, but IMO it would be one of the grossest overpays in the history of the hobby if I did.
It's not even the biggest overpay bounty offer this week. Apparently Blez has offered $1 million for the unlicensed Wemby Topps Chrome superfractor auto 1/1. Is there an unlicensed card that has ever sold for over $100k?

In any entire year, Wemby has had 1 card sell over $150k. It was the Prizm Black 1/1. That was $500k. I can't imagine there are many people looking to make money on it or collect it that would pay double that for an unlicensed card.
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It's not even the biggest overpay bounty offer this week. Apparently Blez has offered $1 million for the unlicensed Wemby Topps Chrome superfractor auto 1/1. Is there an unlicensed card that has ever sold for over $100k?

In any entire year, Wemby has had 1 card sell over $150k. It was the Prizm Black 1/1. That was $500k. I can't imagine there are many people looking to make money on it or collect it that would pay double that for an unlicensed card.
It’s approaching the point of insanity for modern cardboard.

People are setting themselves up to be amongst the largest bagholders in the history of the hobby, imo.

I would say it’s at the point people are paying for publicity and advertising for their own businesses.

Much like how a business offered $200k for the Ruth superfractor, also a gross overpay.

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Old 08-15-2024, 06:38 PM   #60
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It’s approaching the point of insanity for modern cardboard.

People are setting themselves up to be amongst the largest bagholders in the history of the hobby, imo.

I would say it’s at the point people are paying for publicity and advertising for their own businesses.

Much like how a business offered $200k for the Ruth superfractor, also a gross overpay.
How many of these big bounties actually get paid? Have either of these people making the $1 million and $250k offers ever paid that much money for a card? If they have I doubt it's for something like these with very speculative value and a ton of downside potential.

Either way, they aren't under any legal obligation to pay for these ones. I could offer $5 million for it and if I were to eventually get called on it just say the offer is no longer valid.
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To show how stupid this is look at cards that have sold for under $1 million the last few years.

A Lebron/Kobe dual game used logoman autograph 1/1 sold for $840,000. How many of those are there?

Kobe game used logoman auto 1/1 $550k.

Jordan, Magic, Bird triple game used logoman 1/1 $288k. How many of those are there? Person that bought it the year before took a nice 50% loss.

Curry rookie game used logoman auto 1/1 $492k. How many of those are there?

Kobe and Durant dual game used logoman auto 1/1 $350k.

There are a bunch of terrible sales for the buyer I can see from mid 2021 to mid 2023. Even those sales are way under $1 million.

There will be a million Wembanyama Superfractor 1/1 cards in 5 years. I guess it only takes 1 idiot. Looking at Wemby sales for a year it's pretty comical you could probably buy every current Wemby unlicensed and Metro 92 Topps 1/1 auto and base cards combined for less than that Superfractor auto 1/1 bounty.
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To show how stupid this is look at cards that have sold for under $1 million the last few years.

A Lebron/Kobe dual game used logoman autograph 1/1 sold for $840,000. How many of those are there?

Kobe game used logoman auto 1/1 $550k.

Jordan, Magic, Bird triple game used logoman 1/1 $288k. How many of those are there? Person that bought it the year before took a nice 50% loss.

Curry rookie game used logoman auto 1/1 $492k. How many of those are there?

Kobe and Durant dual game used logoman auto 1/1 $350k.

There are a bunch of terrible sales for the buyer I can see from mid 2021 to mid 2023. Even those sales are way under $1 million.

There will be a million Wembanyama Superfractor 1/1 cards in 5 years. I guess it only takes 1 idiot. Looking at Wemby sales for a year it's pretty comical you could probably buy every current Wemby unlicensed and Metro 92 Topps 1/1 auto and base cards combined for less than that Superfractor auto 1/1 bounty.
These bounties just feed into the delusions the carnival hawkers are trying to create for the hobby - an artficially created fanatsy of riches fueled by Monopoly money.
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Old 08-15-2024, 07:08 PM   #63
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All this bounty talk makes me wonder if some stooge at Topps doesn't take it home with him during pack out and hand it over to some pal of his.
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All this bounty talk makes me wonder if some stooge at Topps doesn't take it home with him during pack out and hand it over to some pal of his.
They could easily arrange a “winner” who then gets paid to hand it off to the real buyer from topps.

There are no rules in the card business.

Maybe Mike Trout will end up with the card.
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Old 08-15-2024, 07:15 PM   #65
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better chance you get struck by lightning than owning that card
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Old 08-15-2024, 07:30 PM   #66
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better chance you get struck by lightning than owning that card
It’s only about 1/20,000 or so. You have worse odds to hit something good in a box of 2024 Topps Chrome baseball.
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Old 08-15-2024, 07:32 PM   #67
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Is this the new Griffey Shore?

Funny I read idiots saying oh it's just a lottery ticket. A lottery ticket cost $2 for a chance to win 8 or 9 figures, generational wealth, and retirement. This card people are paying way more than $2 for. Even if you hit it's only $250k before taxes. Idiot brigade strikes again!
Your Math is way off. Its like 1 in 300 million to hit the Powerball or MegaMillions.

The odds on this (if no shady shenanigans) are much better! 1 in 600k!
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All this bounty talk makes me wonder if some stooge at Topps doesn't take it home with him during pack out and hand it over to some pal of his.
I wouldn't put it past them.

But for something this big that has been talked about on multiple mainstream outlets, Topps would be better served just playing it straight.

It's probably better PR for them if a random person who just bought a single card gets it instead of someone known within the hobby that purchased 100+.

As an aside, I wonder what the largest order was. Set the over/under at...200?
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It’s only about 1/20,000 or so. You have worse odds to hit something good in a box of 2024 Topps Chrome baseball.
I'd say more than 20,000 people bought them. You think the average person bought 30 copies?
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Without the 1/1 autograph "dream hit" how may of these cards do you think Topps would have sold........10,000-15,000??? Maybe less.....

Genius Topps Genius!!! Job well done!!!
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Without the 1/1 autograph "dream hit" how may of these cards do you think Topps would have sold........10,000-15,000??? Maybe less.....

Genius Topps Genius!!! Job well done!!!
Lotto tickets!
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Lotto tickets!
Maybe theyre true collectors?
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Maybe theyre true collectors?
Do you really think Curry fans outnumber Lebron fans by 6-1?

It was pointed out that topps now Currys (80k) outsold Lebron (13k) by that ratio because Curry has autos available to pull while Lebron doesn’t.
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Do you really think Curry fans outnumber Lebron fans by 6-1?

It was pointed out that topps now Currys (80k) outsold Lebron (13k) by that ratio because Curry has autos available to pull while Lebron doesn’t.
True collectors open boxes of unlicensed Topps Chrome too! They have to bust boxes to build sets themselves.
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Your Math is way off. Its like 1 in 300 million to hit the Powerball or MegaMillions.

The odds on this (if no shady shenanigans) are much better! 1 in 600k!
Powerball and Mega are $2. What was the average buy in on these? You also have other ways to win the on the lotteries from $2 all the way up to $5 million.

Powerball or Mega is between at worst immediate retirement/generational wealth and up to living a life of luxury with upper 9 figures. What happens to the average person that hits this card? Their life stays either exactly or virtually the same. How much is that $250k after taxes? That's even assuming the bounty of $250k gets paid out.

I know you're going to tell me the actual odds are worse but what happens more in a year? More $150k+ cards pulled from new products or Mega and Powerball winners? Has a single card pulled from a new sports cards product the last 6 or 7 years equaled the lowest Powerball or Mega jackpot lottery payout? No it has not. How many cards pulled from new products the last several years have changed someone's life? You can probably count them in this decade on 1 hand. More often than not, the stuff that was life changing was the cards people held for years that all of a sudden single cards and collections skyrocketed. Not people flushing endless money down the drain in breaks for a lottery type chance.

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