Pete Rose Dead at 83

[atk825]

Originally Posted by Bcr

It just feels wrong to have gambling shoved down my throat on every broadcast and not have him in the hall of fame. Rest easy Pete.

Even with gambling shoved down your throat, the NBA rightly managed to ban a player for betting games he had an influence on.

[Tim]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

Every single clubhouse in Major League Baseball has the following sign:

“Any player, umpire or club or league official or employee who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible.’’

Please note it doesn't say "shall be declared permanently ineligible unless he is a really really great player and is popular with a large section of the fan base"

And what does this have to do with admittance to the hall of fame? He was banned from the game per what you posted. Has nothing to do with being enshrined in a museum.

Let's not forget the spiteful hof decided to create a NEW rule right after Rose was banned saying that permanently ineligible players could not gain admittance. So they had to create a new rule to keep Rose the player out of a museum that already contained alcoholics, wife beaters, etc.

Finally, Rose the manager was found guilty. Nothing official found against Rose the player. And we have a separate wing of the hall for managers. I have no issue with Rose being banned permanently from the sport, but the machinations to keep him out of a museum were and are disgusting to this day.

[ThoseBackPages]

Baines is in the HOF

[theshowandme]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Baines is in the HOF

I bet he stole signs at least once

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by Tim

And what does this have to do with admittance to the hall of fame? He was banned from the game per what you posted. Has nothing to do with being enshrined in a museum.

It is well known that the phrase "shall be declared permanently ineligible" includes being ineligible for entrance to the Hall of Fame, and Rose knew such before he signed his agreement with Commissioner Giamatti.

Originally Posted by Tim

Let's not forget the spiteful hof decided to create a NEW rule right after Rose was banned saying that permanently ineligible players could not gain admittance. So they had to create a new rule to keep Rose the player out of a museum that already contained alcoholics, wife beaters, etc.

Baseball Rule 21 predates Pete Rose ever playing baseball and the sign I posted, which is in every clubhouse in baseball, was there when he played.

He knew the rule. He knew the consequences of breaking the rule.

Originally Posted by Tim

Finally, Rose the manager was found guilty. Nothing official found against Rose the player.

Nowhere does the rule say "you are only ineligible with regards to the position you held when you broke the rule." Nor does it say "well, if he's a popular player and people really like him, then this rule does not apply."

[OhioLawyerF5]

My base Rose run:



Loved him as a player. I'll let others argue about the rest.

[HeritageKing]

Was banned from baseball for 37 years for the same thing that Ohtani probably did, but we can stomach it now.

[bongo870]

sad day. (some of my autos of him)

[awz50]

Sad sad sad day. Rip pete

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by Noles939913

What if I told you that Ty Cobb wasn’t actually racist.

https://www.newsweek.com/2024/07/26/...t-1907257.html

It would be very, very unsurprising.

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

My base Rose run:

Loved him as a player. I'll let others argue about the rest.

Agree.
Beautiful collection, by the way.

[freudianslip]

Originally Posted by bryanscs

Pete was just at the Franklin TN show yesterday doing a signing!

Pretty amazing. One day (yesterday) he’s there and today he’s gone.

Wonder who got the very last Pete Rose autograph. It came from this show:

https://musiccitycollectiblesshow.com/

[Rbradleigh]

Originally Posted by bryanscs

Pete was just at the Franklin TN show yesterday doing a signing!

Scary and amazing how our body chemistry could just stop.


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[golakers32]

Originally Posted by bryanscs

Pete was just at the Franklin TN show yesterday doing a signing!

The man must have slept in thousands of motels and 3-star hotels in his constant, unabated decades of signing at shows.

I remember getting an auto from him at the National in the early 1990s. "Hey kid"

[Rooftop]

Originally Posted by HeritageKing

Was banned from baseball for 37 years for the same thing that Ohtani probably did, but we can stomach it now.

+1


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[mchenrycards]

Gambling is a way of life for many in the MLB especially the old school guys who would head right to the track after the games. Sure, betting at the track isnt betting on baseball but if you think Rose was the only one who made a bet on his team you would be very much mistaken.

Rose got stupid and was caught. Others covered their tracks or knew someone who could help look the other way when handling their bets. There are so many stories that nobody wants to tell outside of the baseball fraternity as nobody wants to be the guy who threw some big names, and small names too under the bus.

[Ferg1945]

R.I.P.

[theshowandme]

The HOF tweeted…

[DaveTaplin]

Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

As I said, what Rose did to the game was far worse than what those people did to the game.

It’s all about integrity of the game. One has to understand the word integrity to understand what Rose did was worse.

I would argue you have to be a lower level thinker to not be able to realize the effect racism had on the integrity of the game.

[PeteD]

RIP to one of the best ball players i had the pleasure to watch.

[hammertime]

Pete signed everything under the sun, but not all autos are created equal. Here are some of my favorites.

[Retired hobbist]

Originally Posted by Fenway55

Every single clubhouse in Major League Baseball has the following sign:

“Any player, umpire or club or league official or employee who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible.’’

Please note it doesn't say "shall be declared permanently ineligible unless he is a really really great player and is popular with a large section of the fan base"

I got news for the rules are the rules guys if Ohtani was found to bet on baseball, Manfred would have found a way to give him a suspension with an out if he went to GA or rehab after a suspension.

I always thought if Pete was willing to admit he had a gambling problem and did this he would have eventually been reinstated.

Sad news today, may Pete finally have the peace he never had walking the earth.

[rms13]

Originally Posted by DaveTaplin

I would argue you have to be a lower level thinker to not be able to realize the effect racism had on the integrity of the game.

The idea that Pete Rose betting on the Reds to win while he was the manager did more damage to baseball then not letting some of the best players of their era play in MLB because of their skin color is ridiculous. Segregation had an actual lasting effect on the MLB. Rose gambling had no lasting effect. And it also has no relevance to his on field performance which is what the HOF's criteria is supposed to be based on.

[NYRE2PECT]

Me: checks in to see Pete Rose died.

Blowout last post: Racism

Wait, what.


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[atk825]

Originally Posted by HeritageKing

Was banned from baseball for 37 years for the same thing that Ohtani probably did, but we can stomach it now.

And by probably did, something that not even federal investigators found a shred of evidence he participated in. And even with Ippei, they found no betting on baseball.

[Cracktoast]

I have always been a believer when it comes to Rose you have to base his eligibility off of his career stats. Whatever gambling he did has nothing to do with his stats it's not like he bet against his team and went out and just went 0-4 on purpose which would hurt his statistical chances. The guy was the best hitter in the game of baseball ever plain and simple and he should be in the HOF because of that. You want to blacklist him by putting an asterisk next to his name on his plaque then go for it.

The fact that main stream sports media decided to do a 2 min piece on his passing and then move on like he never existed is disgusting and shameful. If this had been any other player there would've been 24/7 coverage with people getting choked up the whole nine yards. Hell even Barry Bonds the most hated player in modern history has had more documentaries and had people make stronger cases for him to be in the HOF. MLB and all of it's proxies who now have embraced gambling even having ads for betting sites but yet still proclaim how much damage Rose did to the game are biggest bunch of hypocrites I've ever seen. Every last one of them should be ashamed of themselves.