Shedeur Sanders official thread

[hairysasquatch]

Does anyone else feel like Deion will lose interest in coaching Colorado after his sons leave?

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

Does anyone else feel like Deion will lose interest in coaching Colorado after his sons leave?

I’m waiting for him to go to the Raiders

[jplarson]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

Does anyone else feel like Deion will lose interest in coaching Colorado after his sons leave?

1000% yes.

[codered]

Originally Posted by Stifle

Baker is having a very solid season. Darnold has a legitimate shot at taking his Vikings to the Super Bowl. Sam could be the darkest horse in the MVP race if the Vikings end up with the best record in the NFL.

Baker is definitely solid but with the luxury of hindsight no way he’s a first round pick, let alone first overall. He has cost Tampa zero draft capital so his production looks solid in Tampa. Is he a franchise qb? I still don’t think so. I imagine Tampa would move on from him quickly if opportunity arose. I will always thinks, he’s on team four and he was taken ahead of Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson. I’m sure that stings the browns organization every time they play those qb’s

Haha you don’t have to sell me on Darnold lol I’m a Vikings fan. His resurgence is absolutely remarkable. He definitely has benefited from KOC and the fact that he had no looming threat of losing his job this year with JJ hurt. Darnold is an interesting case study. I remember the 2018 draft he was regarded as the “safest” qb pick and most thought he would go first. The talent was there…..and so were the jets. Some organizations can’t develop QB’s at all. In the jets case it seems like they ruin them. Even with coaching changes.

Sanchez…..geno…..Darnold….wilson. Yikes!!!

Little over a decade they ruined 3 first round qb’s and a second rounder! That’s a ton of wasted draft capital!!!

If Sam stays in minny and has continued success with the Vikings and KOC it “should” be a lesson to other organizations about having the right people/pieces in place to develop a QB. I also agree he should be in the MVP talk this year, especially if we win out and get the one seed in the NFC.

Also in regards to sanders and being a proven winner……I guess he was a runner up in 3 bowl games? Giants should trade the first for a mountain of picks so someone else can take him haha

[majestik101]

Originally Posted by codered

Baker is definitely solid but with the luxury of hindsight no way he’s a first round pick, let alone first overall. He has cost Tampa zero draft capital so his production looks solid in Tampa. Is he a franchise qb? I still don’t think so. I imagine Tampa would move on from him quickly if opportunity arose.

You're completely wrong about Baker. He is playing like a franchise QB right now. You can't ignore his stats. Baker Mayfield is on pace for 4,546 Yards Passing, 41 Touchdowns And 15 Interceptions. And has his team on the cusp of their 5th straight playoff appearance, and 4th straight Division Championship title.

All this, while taking over the mantle of Tom Brady, which is no small feat. Lesser QBs would have crumbled under the pressure. Not Baker, he has embraced the challenge and so far, has passed with flying colors.

He's absolutely earned the franchise QB title imho.

[padremurph]

Happy to finally pick up one of these

[7sinVegas7]

Originally Posted by Floridacardguy

Yep. I prospect QB's. Flipped a bunch of Jayden Daniels Sage autos for $$$$.

Should have held on to those my guy.

[asujbl]

I’ve officially changed my mind after watching how he’s been since the season ended

I’m OK with the Browns taking him

He’s a professional already

I don’t think Deion will be as bad as some think… and maybe I thought

I’m not saying “absolutely take him” but if he went #2? I’d be totally fine with it

He’s impressive the last few weeks of interviews etc…

[7sinVegas7]

Originally Posted by asujbl

I’ve officially changed my mind after watching how he’s been since the season ended

I’m OK with the Browns taking him

Oh please God no. Don't curse the young man like that shame on you. Go get Johnny football off the trash heap.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by 7sinVegas7

Oh please God no. Don't curse the young man like that shame on you. Go get Johnny football off the trash heap.

You’re the worst, no one likes or respects you, so this makes me want him even more

[7sinVegas7]

Originally Posted by asujbl

You’re the worst, no one likes or respects you,

No one likes or respects the Browns my guy. Prime won't allow it.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by 7sinVegas7

No one likes or respects the Browns my guy. Prime won't allow it.

Super original

[padremurph]

If I was going to budget for Shedeur rookie cards, who do you think is similar in this year’s rookie class? I was thinking Nix?

[slyguy]

Originally Posted by padremurph

If I was going to budget for Shedeur rookie cards, who do you think is similar in this year’s rookie class? I was thinking Nix?

Sanders comparison from 2024 picks? Uh, maybe Jordan Travis?
(no, not joking)

Remember, guys: Sanders (and nearly all QBs coming out in 2025... Ward, Ewers, Dart, Milroe, Will Howard, etc) could've gone pro last year. They did not. Cam Ward declared 2024 then quickly reversed and xfer to Miami. There was a reason for that: they 2025 guys are just nowhere near the talent level of last year's 2024 draft. Many would've been UDFA if they'd tried. This is a very weak QB draft upcoming, and they still won't go very high.

Shedeur was probably a mid rounds pick in 2024 draft... at very best. He'd have been drafter rounds after Caleb and Jayden and Maye, far after Penix and McCarthy, and after Nix... slightly to significantly after Rattler. Sanders in 2024 draft would've been taken down with the project QBs like Milton, Travis, Pratt, etc. Seriously. He is not on the level of Nix in terms of playing and beating a ton of top NCAA teams, pro-style offense, and having a decorated college career. No way. Jordan Travis or some other late-rounds small school dual threat QB is honestly your best comparison for Sanders.

At best best best, you could say Sanders would be a bit like Rattler... mobile, exciting. But Sanders doesn't have nearly the arm talent and never went to a big school or played big games, which Rattler did (yet lost his job to Caleb due to turnovers and changed from OU to SCaro... and still beat some big/ranked opponents).

You guys will probably be surprised how far Sanders (and others) could fall in this draft. It's no joke to take QBs high first round... besides the obvious draft pick value and not helping the team other areas, they get real expensive real fast. Teams know Sanders might be in way over his head in pro level; he has high bust potential - even on a team that can protect him with a vet QB for a year or more.

Shedeur's value will never be much higher than it is right now (and immediately after NFL draft).
He has the name, the cool factor, gets a lot of media coverage due to Prime, and he will be a fairly high pick in a QB-poor draft class.
...But he never really played any big college games or meaningful bowl games. He is more hype than substance.
Once NFL preseason and games start, look out. His card values suddenly won't be so sexy anymore.

[padremurph]

Originally Posted by slyguy

Sanders comparison from 2024 picks? Uh, maybe Jordan Travis?
(no, not joking)

Remember, guys: Sanders (and nearly all QBs coming out in 2025... Ward, Ewers, Dart, Milroe, Will Howard, etc) could've gone pro last year. They did not. Cam Ward declared 2024 then quickly reversed and xfer to Miami. There was a reason for that: they 2025 guys are just nowhere near the talent level of last year's 2024 draft. Many would've been UDFA if they'd tried. This is a very weak QB draft upcoming, and they still won't go very high.

Shedeur was probably a mid rounds pick in 2024 draft... at very best. He'd have been drafter rounds after Caleb and Jayden and Maye, far after Penix and McCarthy, and after Nix... slightly to significantly after Rattler. Sanders in 2024 draft would've been taken down with the project QBs like Milton, Travis, Pratt, etc. Seriously. He is not on the level of Nix in terms of playing and beating a ton of top NCAA teams, pro-style offense, and having a decorated college career. No way. Jordan Travis or some other late-rounds small school dual threat QB is honestly your best comparison for Sanders.

At best best best, you could say Sanders would be a bit like Rattler... mobile, exciting. But Sanders doesn't have nearly the arm talent and never went to a big school or played big games, which Rattler did (yet lost his job to Caleb due to turnovers and changed from OU to SCaro... and still beat some big/ranked opponents).

You guys will probably be surprised how far Sanders (and others) could fall in this draft. It's no joke to take QBs high first round... besides the obvious draft pick value and not helping the team other areas, they get real expensive real fast. Teams know Sanders might be in way over his head in pro level; he has high bust potential - even on a team that can protect him with a vet QB for a year or more.

Shedeur's value will never be much higher than it is right now (and immediately after NFL draft).
He has the name, the cool factor, gets a lot of media coverage due to Prime, and he will be a fairly high pick in a QB-poor draft class.
...But he never really played any big college games or meaningful bowl games. He is more hype than substance.
Once NFL preseason and games start, look out. His card values suddenly won't be so sexy anymore.

lol. I was talking about pricing, but you clearly didn’t watch any CU games last year.

[slyguy]

Originally Posted by padremurph

lol. I was talking about pricing, but you clearly didn’t watch any CU games last year.

I covered that... Sanders' card pricing will be hot preseason and maybe camp, but they will come to earth very fast (esp if he starts and does bad).

His prices are peaking now/soon in leadup and draft... they will drop once he plays pro (and be nearly worthless after a few years imo). It'll be Justin Fields all over again... yet smaller school, no big NCAA wins, and probably not drafted that highly.

Nix started, won, made playoffs... as a rookie. Sanders will likely never do that at pro level. Best hope on his card prices is hype/potential.

[DMACcollector]

Originally Posted by AwesomeBrian

Sanders will only be a top pick because that is how the NFL works now. He makes bad plays against bad college defenses. He tries to do too much. That does not translate to NFL success. He will be a massive bust and set a franchise back 3-4 years at least if they try to play him immediately.

True statement! But he will sell tickets in year one.

If you hold the ball too long and can't evade the rush against the likes of Colorado State, Utah, Wyoming, West Virgina, etc., how on earth can you make faster decisions and evade an NFL rush, with exotic blitz packages? He'll be overwhelmed, regardless of OL play.

Still praying he doesn't come to LV.

[7sinVegas7]

Originally Posted by slyguy

Sanders comparison from 2024 picks? Uh, maybe Jordan Travis?
(no, not joking)...

This read was actually excellent analysis.

[Fenway55]

Originally Posted by padremurph

If I was going to budget for Shedeur rookie cards, who do you think is similar in this year’s rookie class? I was thinking Nix?

His value of out the gate is going to be higher than what he would normally command because of his famous name.

I don't invest in football cards but if I did, I would highly recommend not buying Shedeur right away.

[padremurph]

Originally Posted by slyguy

I covered that... Sanders' card pricing will be hot preseason and maybe camp, but they will come to earth very fast (esp if he starts and does bad).

His prices are peaking now/soon in leadup and draft... they will drop once he plays pro (and be nearly worthless after a few years imo). It'll be Justin Fields all over again... yet smaller school, no big NCAA wins, and probably not drafted that highly.

Nix started, won, made playoffs... as a rookie. Sanders will likely never do that at pro level. Best hope on his card prices is hype/potential.

I don’t even know where to start. Just looked it up and you can get a silver prizm of rattler for $5 and a silver prizm of Travis for $10. I promise you that Shedeur’s silver prizm will cost more than $15 at the end of his rookie year.

Your argument that about Shedeur not entering the 2024 draft is flawed. You realize that Nix, Daniel’s, and Penix all either played four years or more of college. So you can’t really fault Shedeur for not entering early, especially when he had added motivation to stay and play for his dad and with Travis.

Lastly, he played in plenty of big games. He was in the same PAC 12 as Nix, Caleb, and Penix in 2023. He’s played in plenty of “big” prime time and big noon kick off games.

I realize you guys all hate Deion, Shedeur, Travis and Colorado, but you guys have constantly been wrong. I was told over and over that Shedeur would be a mid round pick at best (now he’s slotted to go top 10), that Colorado couldn’t make a bowl game (won 9 games) and that there’s no way that Travis would be able to play both ways at the power level (won the Heisman). Shedeur and CU accomplished all of that with a sub par Oline and no running game.

Shedeur has been groomed his whole life to be a successful quarterback. He has the resources, the athletic ability and the right mindset/mental toughness. I haven’t been this convinced of an athletes success since I saw Tatis on the backfields of spring training as a 17 yr old.

[7sinVegas7]

Originally Posted by padremurph

I promise you that Shedeur’s silver prizm will cost more than $15 at the end of his rookie year.

Not if he's in Cleveland.

[7sinVegas7]

Originally Posted by padremurph

I realize you guys all hate Deion, Shedeur, Travis and Colorado, but you guys have constantly been wrong.

Great post.

I was @ this game and became a believer with the amazing comeback Shedeur put up.

Prime is an amazing Father and didn't bring his boys this far to drop them off. He'll have his challenges, but Shedeur is going to be very good in the NFL.

[DMACcollector]

Maybe he’ll be decent, but I don’t see it. The odds are against him, “pedigree” or not.

[Floridacardguy]

Let's go Shedeur!

My best Sanders card

[Floridacardguy]

Originally Posted by DMACcollector

Maybe he’ll be decent, but I don’t see it. The odds are against him, “pedigree” or not.

I think in a run heavy offense where his passing game is controlled and he doesn't have to throw 50 passes in shootouts is where Sanders can shine. I think he can be a good 'game manager'- high % passes, short to intermediate, 20-30 passes a game is ideal. He's accurate, but he doesn't have a big arm, so play to his strengths (and most certainly give him a good O line, because he can not run and takes a lot of sacks)