Interesting must read eBay auction

[mintyfrisk]

Originally Posted by IronMonkey415

Uhh no..I'm happy as hell you bought something.
This is exciting for me.

You're welcome. It's a nice sketch.

[dhendrix1303]

Originally Posted by houdini

1. Never judge a situation by just getting one side. We have enough one-sided call out threads gone awry here on Blowout that everyone should know this already.

2. TYPING IN ALL CAPS MAKES YOU LOOK DESPERATE.

3. The buyer is a member here, why not ask his take? Blowout Cards Forums - View Profile: mintyfrisk

4. I laugh at the guys blocking the buyer but not the seller. The seller refused to honor his return policy and forced the buyer to file a claim. The buyer merely returned the card - perhaps for buyer's remorse. So block the buyer - ok - but if you only block one of these guys, block the seller.

Don't just follow the crowd. Think it through first. You have one side, so not the whole story perhaps. Also, the seller admits to not honoring his return policy and having to be forced by eBay to refund the buyer. That is not the action of a hobby hero.

I'm not buying this as a situation where the seller is scum. I've dealt with so many non payers and people who return merch because it doesn't grade well. I feel his frustration and glad someone brought this situation to the forefront.


Way To Go Seller!

[bobthewondercat]

Wow.

So a guy with many transactions, perfect feedback, and no history of returns, returns ONE card.

Seller makes him out to be a scammer in an ebay listing (totally inappropriate forum to diss the guy anyways, that's not what ebay listings are for).

Buyer comes on here, defends himself, is reasonable and friendly. Demonstrates that it was NOT buyer's remorse, that he happily paid more for other copies of the same card.

And you're STILL siding with the seller??

WHY did the seller say he accepted returns, if a single return offends him so badly he needs to publicly trash the buyer?

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[teosdesserts]

That guy just bought 2 cards from me.

EDIT: I just read page 2 of this thread.

[IronMonkey415]

He bought a sketch card from me and I just left positive feedback.
I'm strange and crazy like that, but you guys know that already.

[dhendrix1303]

Originally Posted by bobthewondercat

Wow.

So a guy with many transactions, perfect feedback, and no history of returns, returns ONE card.

Seller makes him out to be a scammer in an ebay listing (totally inappropriate forum to diss the guy anyways, that's not what ebay listings are for).

Buyer comes on here, defends himself, is reasonable and friendly. Demonstrates that it was NOT buyer's remorse, that he happily paid more for other copies of the same card.

And you're STILL siding with the seller??

WHY did the seller say he accepted returns, if a single return offends him so badly he needs to publicly trash the buyer?

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Evidently you don't deal with alot of buyers on eBay to understand this.

[bobthewondercat]

It doesn't matter whether I deal with buyers on ebay a lot, or a little.

I know there are a lot of scammers out there. I know that ebay almost always supports the buyer in disputes.

But you can't ASSUME a guy is taking advantage of you without any evidence that he is a scammer.

It would have taken 1 minute for the seller to look at his feedback on ebay and blowout and see if he had a history of a lot of returns / bad deals. If so, then post a warning to block him on blowout.

Instead, he decided to blast him publicly without any info other than that he returned 1 card.

[dhendrix1303]

Originally Posted by bobthewondercat

It doesn't matter whether I deal with buyers on ebay a lot, or a little.

I know there are a lot of scammers out there. I know that ebay almost always supports the buyer in disputes.

But you can't ASSUME a guy is taking advantage of you without any evidence that he is a scammer.

It would have taken 1 minute for the seller to look at his feedback on ebay and blowout and see if he had a history of a lot of returns / bad deals. If so, then post a warning to block him on blowout.

Instead, he decided to blast him publicly without any info other than that he returned 1 card.

Actually it does matter if you've dealt with buyers on eBay. Simple as that.

[Mrpokey]

I'm just confused, the buyer returned the card because there were 2 dimples in/on the card, that weren't disclosed in the auction. But the seller did disclose the card as being NR MT, (BGS 7), and dimples are allowed on that grade, so in my mind the seller listed the card as a lesser grade then the card actually was, and the buy either didn't read the description or didn't know what NRMT was. The card was graded a BGS 9.5 even with the dimples, so obliviously the card wasn't that bad.

[Michigan300rum]

First impression was lynch mintyfrisk. After reading all the pages I have to agree with Minty, yes maybe it was a minor flaw but the seller has a no questions asked return policy meaning it doesn't matter why u return it. Minty was well within his right to return it w/out getting called out. As a seller I completely understand his frustration simple answer is don't allow returns period. If your not going to honor a return policy what's the point in even having one? If I buy a card that I think is flawed in my eyes I would of done the same thing but I also am probably a bit less picky. I'm sure everyone here has some kinda story about a card with some kind of defect that immediately catches your eye &,every time u see that card you see that defect no matter how small it is. Thanks for fighting for our country man words cannot describe the respect I have for our armed forces. It's a shame that you had to get called out over something as trivial as returning a card to a seller with a 14-day money back return policy. I guarantee that your not the first one on blowout to to this but as far as I know you are the 1st to get called out for it......

[Mrpokey]

Return policy's are mandatory on Ebay, wether you list it or not they are mandatory, so you might as well list it.

[PistolPete7]

This is so blown out of proportion. All the seller had to do was relist the card and he probably would've gotten the same amount if not more. I understand its frustrating but to go this far just to make the buyer who returned the card look like some sort of scammer is a little ridiculous in my opinion.

[jmscoggin]

Originally Posted by houdini

Let me try to explain.

My main problem is with the mob mentality on this board. They got one side and attacked - some claiming they only need one side and because the seller went out of his way to prove it.

The other side of the story is that the buyer was not happy with the condition of the surface. The surface did receive a 9 - so perhaps the dimples were not as bad to the BGS grader as they were to the buyer.

So my second point is that the buyer has a right to return the card. I am not necessarily agreeing with his reasons, ok? The reasons are actually moot.

My third point is that the seller has a return policy and he refused to honor it. Apparently that isn't a big deal to some members, but it is to me.

The BGS grade is great for dramatic effect, but it has nothing to do with the initial problem.

Some can call the buyer the bad guy. However, other than assuming he returned for buyer's remorse, there is no reason to say this.

Some can call the seller the hero. However, he does not honor his word.

I have not sold a card on eBay in over a year because of problems like this. I use COMC because they handle all scanning, shipping, and any returns.

However, if a buyer returns something I sold (even beyond the 14 days), I accept the return and refund them. It has nothing to do with why they are returning and everything to do with how eBay works today.

I agree with all of this including the COMC part. These types of situations are why I've sworn off Ebay and deal almost exclusively through COMC. After reading the rest of the thread I do see both sides here. I still don't agree with Mint sending the card back but the seller did have a no questions asked return policy. When I sell on Ebay I click 'no returns'. I know full well that doesn't mean squat as Ebay will still force through returns but in this specific case it does make seller look bad. He chose that option and should honor it regardless of reason.

Mint, I won't block you, I actually don't believe in blocking anyone but even if I did I wouldn't block you. I still am 100% against what you did but you were within your rights and you explained it clearly. Not sure why you drew the line with this card as by your own words you have bought worse cards and not returned them but seller had returns accepted so he should accept fault as well. Not sure where everyone is yammering about scamming. I haven't seen anyone accuse you of that nor would I. This situation is anything but scamming. Poor integrity at worst but definately not scamming. For whatever reason at the end of the day you were not happy so you returned the card. You did so in the condition that you received it and within the sellers guidelines.

[ninjacookies]

I can side with both parties here. As a buyer, I'd always want to know any and all flaws listed on the card. I've had several cards I've purchased end up having big corner fraying or surface scratches upon inspection where the seller never specified any damage. But kept it since they were lower end cards.

Then, as a seller, I've had people return items to me nearly ONE MONTH after purchasing it, and after having clearly USED the item during that time, asking for a full refund without any specified reason.

It's like going to a clothing store, buying undies, wearing them for a month, then returning it for your money back. And I have no choice but to refund, as I can 'claim' it wasn't returned in new condition, but ebay is clearly a buyers market with their regulations.

Not much to complain about if you're the seller...you paid the 15 or so bucks to get the card graded, and now you can sell it for more than it was previously worth. Ebay's seller and return policies are such a pain, but I really don't see how the buyer 'scammed' you whatsoever. If he would have returned the card to you damaged, then I definitely would have taken serious issue.

[jlzinck]

I'll just block both and make the world a simpler place.

[mintyfrisk]

I apologize if I offended anyone with my buying practices. I admit that I mostly buy prospects to sell later and possibly grade. In my own opinion, when I received this card I felt that it was not up to my own standards which was the reason why I returned it.

I attempted to contact the seller multiple times and he has not returned my messages as well as tried to gift him the BGS fees and was immediately refunded.

I understand now that maybe my standards might too high and will reevaluate my buying practices.

[IronMonkey415]

Just be you...Don't change for anyone.

[coyne81486]

mintsy is a liar straight up.

[coyne81486]

Originally Posted by mintyfrisk

I didn't get cold feet on the card. I've never had to open a case as a buyer until that time. The card sold for $60, at the time they were going for $70-$80. I have a significant Nunez collection, check the bucket under Baseball Prospects. I wouldn't have returned the card if I didn't immediately notice the surface defect on it(yes, BGS graded it a 9 for surface but people act like they're flawless when they are very sporadic with they're grades.) I went back and forth with the seller and Ebay on it and they asked me to prove it and I sent pictures to them with them agreeing with me shortly afterwards. I no longer have those pictures and I regret deleting them a month after I won the case.

Like I said in an earlier post, I don't have anything against the seller. It's frustrating that I have to explain myself when I feel like I didn't do anything wrong. You all certainly have the option to block me if you'd like but I've never had a bad transaction until now.

Also, for those who don't understand what dimples are. They are small circular pen-sized dents that happen from time to time on bowman cards.

why return it if its a 9.5???????

[kyle1707]

Great story

But that is ebay.. Buyers rule

Sellers do all the work...

I spent the 425 on a box of exquisite

pulled a Trent Richardson auto patch #99

Went home took picture posted on ebay.. waited 3 days

card sold for 300ish.. stated it was NM M

Guy got it.. Week later said not as described

Received card back... Card is almost perfect... no question nm m

Resold it for 150

lost 150 dollars...

I brought this up to a ebay rep one time

The response was "I never thought about that"

[coyne81486]

on a good note,,,, thank you for your service.... CARRY ON

[mintyfrisk]

Originally Posted by coyne81486

why return it if its a 9.5???????

It wasn't a 9.5 when I returned it. It was sold ungraded and I didn't like the surface of it, if it wasn't significant defect to me I would have kept it but I couldn't stop thinking about it after I saw it so I returned it and shortly after the seller had it graded and it came back a 9.5/10. I'm not upset or mad about that, I've already stated that I wished that seller the best with his card.

[centereacan06]

To be fair, the surface could've been horrible and the seller prepped it really good before sending it to BGS, bumping the surface grade and eventual overall grade to a Gem Mint.

[Robk891]

I'm still confused. The guy has a return policy...I didn't even think you had to give a reason to return stuff. I accept returns on ebay and don't even ask why...waste of time. Seller got the card in same condition..should have ended there...but noooooooooooo

[lexus2903]

Never once had a problem with Minty a stand up guy if you ask me.