The Official Michael Porter Jr 2019-20 Rookie of the Year Thread

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Sorry man but I have to disagree. I have 2 daughters under 2 and I feel the same way as Champmans.

My 2 year old had covid when she was less than a year and my wife was pregnant when she had covid.

The reality is that it's exceedingly rare for children to have life threatening reactions especially for healthy people with no underlying conditions. I expect it to become part of the vaccine schedule but the media is fear mongering over a problem that largely is not dangerous to children

No worries man. People have different levels of risk tolerance and some of that is based on individual health risks. Glad you all had a good experience with it. I still don't think it's asking too much for people to get the vaccine to lessen the odds for kids even more..

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by TSonn

No worries man. People have different levels of risk tolerance and some of that is based on individual health risks. Glad you all had a good experience with it. I still don't think it's asking too much for people to get the vaccine to lessen the odds for kids even more..

Under 18 Covid deaths since January 2020: 478
Under 18 influenza deaths during the 2018-19 flu season: 477

There are few states that have ever mandated influenza vaccinations. Never heard of kids getting held out of class for a week due to contact tracing after flu exposure. Going forward, I hope schools do the right thing and behind taking influenza more seriously.

[sickmantz]

Originally Posted by mindcycle

Nuggets’ Michael Porter Jr.: “I don’t feel comfortable” taking vaccine

https://www.denverpost.com/2021/09/2...d-vaccine/amp/



Yeah..you lost me at “I had COVID twice”.. comeon man So how many games will he miss when he gets it again..

No one has ever accused him of being smart. One of the first comments I heard about him when I started paying attention was basically that he's a bonehead.

If you didn't know, now you know. Doesn't change my plans.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by TSonn

Tell me you don't have kids under 12 without telling me you don't have kids under 12.

I agree with everything you're saying but we're not there until all ages have access to a vaccine.

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Swing and a miss TSonn.

In my state of CT, we have 710,000 kids under the age of 18. Of those 710,000, just over 80,000 have contracted COVID since March of 2020. 80,000 cases of kids aged 0-17.

Five have died w/ COVID. Five. Two in car accidents, an infant from suffocation, and two others that quite possible could have been COVID related (more than the three mentioned). My two children, ages 8 and 5 have also had COVID; they're the runts who gave it to me the second time. Each had a fever for a night, and then were bouncing off the walls the next day.

COVID is nearly meaningless to kids; and there is zero chance my children will be getting the vaccine before their 18th birthday. So if/when the day comes that you contract COVID, you can blame me, MPJ and Kyrie. We share equal blame for your health.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by TSonn

No worries man. People have different levels of risk tolerance and some of that is based on individual health risks. Glad you all had a good experience with it. I still don't think it's asking too much for people to get the vaccine to lessen the odds for kids even more..

Odds are zero. You can't reduce them any more.

[Grizzkid12]

I think Michael Porter Jr. is pretty good at basketball

[sickmantz]

It's sad that the greatest country on earth has so many crybabies that are too afraid to get poked in the arm or wear a mask. Pathetic.

[5280Cards]

Good Lord! I go to webmd.com for my medical advice......not a cardboard nerd forum.

Can we get back on topic here?

This dude has so many back problems the Nuggets are going to pay $100K per point he scores. Good for MPJ, but just the Nuggets being the Nuggets in my opinion.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Swing and a miss TSonn.

In my state of CT, we have 710,000 kids under the age of 18. Of those 710,000, just over 80,000 have contracted COVID since March of 2020. 80,000 cases of kids aged 0-17.

Five have died w/ COVID. Five. Two in car accidents, an infant from suffocation, and two others that quite possible could have been COVID related (more than the three mentioned). My two children, ages 8 and 5 have also had COVID; they're the runts who gave it to me the second time. Each had a fever for a night, and then were bouncing off the walls the next day.

COVID is nearly meaningless to kids; and there is zero chance my children will be getting the vaccine before their 18th birthday. So if/when the day comes that you contract COVID, you can blame me, MPJ and Kyrie. We share equal blame for your health.

I wrote a bunch of stuff and then deleted it. It doesn't matter - we're not changing each other's minds. Let's just get back to chatting MPJ!

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by sickmantz

It's sad that the greatest country on earth has so many crybabies that are too afraid to get poked in the arm or wear a mask. Pathetic.

Muh SomEthInG AmEnDMenT coNstiTutIonaL FreEDoMs (or something)!

[rhigh2390]

Originally Posted by sickmantz

It's sad that the greatest country on earth has so many crybabies that are too afraid to get poked in the arm or wear a mask. Pathetic.

What's even more sad is the amount of people that can't think for themselves and just do what they're told because "the government cares about us." The vaccine should be available to those who want it. The numbers simply don't backup a mandate for all of society to get a shot. People are also insane to think it stops there and want to give the government that power.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by 5280Cards

Good Lord! I go to webmd.com for my medical advice......not a cardboard nerd forum.

Can we get back on topic here?

This dude has so many back problems the Nuggets are going to pay $100K per point he scores. Good for MPJ, but just the Nuggets being the Nuggets in my opinion.

Seems like there’s a larger issue if you’re getting medical advice from webmd

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by 5280Cards

Good Lord! I go to webmd.com for my medical advice......not a cardboard nerd forum.

Can we get back on topic here?

This dude has so many back problems the Nuggets are going to pay $100K per point he scores. Good for MPJ, but just the Nuggets being the Nuggets in my opinion.

I guess my question is why did they give him a max? He couldn’t have been given less than the max? If MPJ is worth a max, Luka is worth a double max. This is why I hate the NBA deals.

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I guess my question is why did they give him a max? He couldn’t have been given less than the max? If MPJ is worth a max, Luka is worth a double max. This is why I hate the NBA deals.

I don't know Orlando's current salary cap situation but I could see a team like them throwing the max at MPJ. Maybe Denver knew they had to go max to keep him. I'd probably let him walk at that point unless he's showing a lot more in practices than we're seeing on the court. Bryn Forbes is probably texting his agent that he deserves $200m now.

[jerrygarcia]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I guess my question is why did they give him a max? He couldn’t have been given less than the max? If MPJ is worth a max, Luka is worth a double max. This is why I hate the NBA deals.

Everyone outside of maybe 10 players is overpaid in the NBA, just the way it is.

[daeve]

I'm actually a bit surprised Steph trained with him not being vaccinated. I kind of thought MPJ might've changed his mind when I saw that, guess not. He'll miss out on less games than Kyrie will, due to where they play, but yeah this is kinda disappointing.

Not sure why someone can't get it into his head like "dude you've had Covid twice already, what's the vaccine gonna do that the virus hasn't already?"

[RedMike]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I guess my question is why did they give him a max? He couldn’t have been given less than the max? If MPJ is worth a max, Luka is worth a double max. This is why I hate the NBA deals.

This is why, if you really want to build a championship team. YOu have to pay max players who give you more than max value.

Max players that give you less than max value kills your team, just destroys it.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by daeve

I'm actually a bit surprised Steph trained with him not being vaccinated. I kind of thought MPJ might've changed his mind when I saw that, guess not. He'll miss out on less games than Kyrie will, due to where they play, but yeah this is kinda disappointing.

Not sure why someone can't get it into his head like "dude you've had Covid twice already, what's the vaccine gonna do that the virus hasn't already?"

The lack of self awareness is AMAZING.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by daeve

Not sure why someone can't get it into his head like "dude you've had Covid twice already, what's the vaccine gonna do that the virus hasn't already?"

I mean, the risk of any adverse event secondary to the vaccine is greater than the risk that he even gets Covid at this time if he truly had it twice. Additionally, his myocarditis risk after vaccination is greater than his risk of hospitalization as a result of a Covid infection.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7027e2.htm

Myocarditis reporting rates were 40.6 cases per million second doses of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines administered to males aged 12−29 years

Hospitalization risk after vaccination in the US is 50.8 per million for all ages, sexes, and comorbidities. Certainly lower for a young, healthy athlete like MPJ. So again, MPJ has made the informed decision that risk of vaccination outweighs benefit for him. How is he wrong for that?

Originally Posted by RedMike

This is why, if you really want to build a championship team. YOu have to pay max players who give you more than max value.

Max players that give you less than max value kills your team, just destroys it.

Agreed. Honesty, I think the structure of max contracts prevents parity. If there was no max, the true superstars would command more and super teams wouldn't be as easily formed.

[sickmantz]

Originally Posted by rhigh2390

What's even more sad is the amount of people that can't think for themselves and just do what they're told because "the government cares about us." The vaccine should be available to those who want it. The numbers simply don't backup a mandate for all of society to get a shot. People are also insane to think it stops there and want to give the government that power.

You can justify your cowardice however you need to to feel better.

More importantly. Why are all of you people in here mucking up the MPJ thread?

[daeve]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I mean, the risk of any adverse event secondary to the vaccine is greater than the risk that he even gets Covid at this time if he truly had it twice. Additionally, his myocarditis risk after vaccination is greater than his risk of hospitalization as a result of a Covid infection.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7027e2.htm


Hospitalization risk after vaccination in the US is 50.8 per million for all ages, sexes, and comorbidities. Certainly lower for a young, healthy athlete like MPJ. So again, MPJ has made the informed decision that risk of vaccination outweighs benefit for him. How is he wrong for that?


Agreed. Honesty, I think the structure of max contracts prevents parity. If there was no max, the true superstars would command more and super teams wouldn't be as easily formed.

it's whatver on a personal level, as long as your loved ones don't care. But from a team aspect, and $$ aspect, it is dumb.

and believe me, I hate advocating for it - this was the first vaccine I've ever gotten... and I already had Covid when I got it... and I work in the health / 'alternative health' sphere, where's there a very big split on it.

But the other people I know who aren't getting it, aren't literally risking millions [and missing games as a pro athlete] to avoid it. guys like MPJ/Kyrie/Wiggins are.

[mindcycle]

Originally Posted by daeve

it's whatver on a personal level, as long as your loved ones don't care. But from a team aspect, and $$ aspect, it is dumb.

Originally Posted by daeve

But the other people I know who aren't getting it, aren't literally risking millions [and missing games as a pro athlete] to avoid it. guys like MPJ/Kyrie/Wiggins are.

Exactly. Dude had back surgery and was injected with who knows how many drugs to get through all that, but now he can't get a simple shot so he can play all games possible for a team that just signed him to a 170 million dollar deal.. He had Covid twice. The shot isn't going to do anything to him. Guy wouldn't even be in the NBA right now if he hadn't trusted science and medicine, but now that it's morphed into a political debate he's suddenly against it..

These guys watch too much YouTube.

[rafibomb]

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[TSonn]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I mean, the risk of any adverse event secondary to the vaccine is greater than the risk that he even gets Covid at this time if he truly had it twice. Additionally, his myocarditis risk after vaccination is greater than his risk of hospitalization as a result of a Covid infection.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7027e2.htm


Hospitalization risk after vaccination in the US is 50.8 per million for all ages, sexes, and comorbidities. Certainly lower for a young, healthy athlete like MPJ. So again, MPJ has made the informed decision that risk of vaccination outweighs benefit for him. How is he wrong for that?


Agreed. Honesty, I think the structure of max contracts prevents parity. If there was no max, the true superstars would command more and super teams wouldn't be as easily formed.

There's probably more risk variance when his Uber pulls up with a V6 instead of a V8. That's why it's silly that he won't get the vaccine to A. decrease the likelihood he gets COVID again (and spreads it) and B. to avoid all the unvaccinated NBA guidelines (which will most likely result missed games/practices).

[TSonn]

Originally Posted by rafibomb

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Siiiick. Why are Revolution parallels my favorite?