Yes, this is a bubble. No, it's not the 90s again

[k13]

Originally Posted by Chris P

Nobody asks for ovechkin where I live either..not once have i heard anyone ask for hockey period..man he must suck and nobody wants him. That's the game your 're playing right

No one asked for Ovechkin for 15 years here either...

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by k13

Baseball is popular here.
I'm by the border.

Americans don't care about Griffey either just whoever is the flavor of the week. Kris Bryant, Judge, Trout, Acuna, Soto, Tatis, bowman prospects and vintage. Kris Bryant hype was unreal here years ago.

I did the Big Toronto show many times and it had people from everywhere in the world. No one asked for Griffey ONCE.....

You have ZERO qualifications to say that..you aren't American..so you can't generalize Americans don't care about Griffey because that's a flat out lie. You using overproduced Griffey rookies as proof that no one cares is ridiculous. His rarer stuff sells VERY well..so yes us Americans, we care about Griffey. Stick to crying about Messi doesn't deserve some award in the soccer thread

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by k13

No one asked for Ovechkin for 15 years here either...

Well even today they still don't ask..so nobody wants him and he sucks..that's how you do things

[k13]

Originally Posted by Chris P

You have ZERO qualifications to say that..you aren't American..so you can't generalize Americans don't care about Griffey because that's a flat out lie. You using overproduced Griffey rookies as proof that no one cares is ridiculous. His rarer stuff sells VERY well..so yes us Americans, we care about Griffey. Stick to crying about Messi doesn't deserve some award in the soccer thread

That just means the demand is low if only rare stuff sells and a small specific group of people are buying it.

There's lots of players who aren't even that great sell well for rare cards. You only need a small following for that.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by k13

That just means the demand is low if only rare stuff sells and a small specific group of people are buying it.

There's lots of players who aren't even that great sell well for rare cards. You only need a small following for that.

Griffey stuff sells well in general..he's not some random athlete with a niche following no matter how much garbage you spew..this is pointless to argue because it's you..but Griffey autos as overproduced as they are..still are typically one of the highest selling vet/retired cards in those sets...but yeah nobody cares about him...what a joke

[k13]

Originally Posted by Chris P

Well even today they still don't ask..so nobody wants him and he sucks..that's how you do things

The biggest ovechkin collectors are in the US.
More than half my offers for him are from the US right now. Canadians don't really like him that much.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by k13

The biggest ovechkin collectors are in the US.
More than half my offers for him are from the US right now. Canadians don't really like him that much.

Doesnt matter..where I live nobody wants him. So because like you do..im gonna use my experience and ignore everything else..I'll say he sucks akd nobody wants him..just like you do all the time

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by k13

The biggest ovechkin collectors are in the US.
More than half my offers for him are from the US right now. Canadians don't really like him that much.

Makes complete sense.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by ScooterMcRibs

Blue chips are headed higher across the board as predicted. Investors are looking for ways to preserve capital in the face of rampant inflation and folks have started to realize that the hobby is a great place to park their money.

Also as predicted, blue chip cards of retired players are making the biggest moves. To understand why you need to think like an investor. If Ken Griffey Jr. never plays another professional baseball game or hits another home run, what will happen to the value of his cards? We all know the answer to that: nothing, nobody expects him to do this things any more, he won't do those things. Now ask yourself the same thing about Comrade Troutsky (or almost any active MLB player, for that matter). When you buy Trout cards, you are taking on needless risk that he doesn't perform. Only a speculator would want to take on that risk when they don't have to, investors want certainty. And that's why Ken Griffey Jr. will continue to be the hobby GOAT with Powerbait on the outside looking in.

Griffey pumpers are trying to make him the 90s version of Mantle. Sorry, that doesn't pass the smell test. Griffey's cards were overproduced. He never won a championship. He won only one MVP. He fell off dramatically after going to the Reds.

[mouschi]

Just my .02 - I haven't been following a TON of different cards in terms of pricing, however, super key vintage seems to be doing quite well.

In the latest auction at REA, here's what I was watching and what happened:

1909 T206 Cobb Green PSA 2 - $8,700
1910 E90-2 Wagner SGC 1.5 - $10,200
1915 CJ Cobb SGC 2 - $27,000
1915 CJ Jackson SGC 3 - $52,800

Many other solid sales prices as well! I know most folks here are all about the new and shiny cardboard, so I can't speak to what the Trouts, Acunas, etc. are doing, but key vintage seems to be alive and well!

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Griffey pumpers are trying to make him the 90s version of Mantle. Sorry, that doesn't pass the smell test. Griffey's cards were overproduced. He never won a championship. He won only one MVP. He fell off dramatically after going to the Reds.

I don't think you understand the kids in the 90's that grew up collecting baseball cards, playing video games and wore his shoes. Ken Griffey Jr. is right there with Bo Jackson with the impact he had on the sport, pop culture and that generation. For goodness sake, they still have a shoe line of the man. He'll show up in a video game this year if he hasn't already.

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by k13

That just means the demand is low if only rare stuff sells and a small specific group of people are buying it.

There's lots of players who aren't even that great sell well for rare cards. You only need a small following for that.

Your argument is flawed because anything can be sold at anytime on eBay. I have a handful of Griffey BCCG 10 Fleer rookies that nobody has asked about at card shows, but I can still run them at auction starting at 1.00 and be able to make 3-4x what I paid based on recent comps. So to say "nobody wants Griffey" when I can easily find auction buyers in 5 days is kind of pointless. Nobody wants Griffey...except all the people bidding on them.

[k13]

Originally Posted by Chris P

Griffey stuff sells well in general..he's not some random athlete with a niche following no matter how much garbage you spew..this is pointless to argue because it's you..but Griffey autos as overproduced as they are..still are typically one of the highest selling vet/retired cards in those sets...but yeah nobody cares about him...what a joke

Sells but not the GOAT of the hobby like someone said earlier in the thread.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

Your argument is flawed because anything can be sold at anytime on eBay. I have a handful of Griffey BCCG 10 Fleer rookies that nobody has asked about at card shows, but I can still run them at auction starting at 1.00 and be able to make 3-4x what I paid based on recent comps. So to say "nobody wants Griffey" when I can easily find auction buyers in 5 days is kind of pointless. Nobody wants Griffey...except all the people bidding on them.

Plus using "Nobody cares about Griffey because nobody asks for him at my random card shop in the random town I live in, in Canada" is the stupidest most ridiculous reason I've ever heard and K13 says stupid crap all the time

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by k13

Sells but not the GOAT of the hobby like someone said earlier in the thread.

Now you're changing your argument because of course you are....you said nobody cares about him...you're wrong..I'm not talking about nor care about "Hobby GOAT"..I simply states Griffey sells well...which means...people want his stuff

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by k13

Sells but not the GOAT of the hobby like someone said earlier in the thread.

Have you checked eBay sales data? Go to sold listings and you will see Ken Griffey sells more than Acuna, Soto, and most of the other players you said have more demand. I will give you specific statistical evidence if you need it if you have trouble analyzing real data from eBay. Just let me know.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

Have you checked eBay sales data? Go to sold listings and you will see Ken Griffey sells more than Acuna, Soto, and most of the other players you said have more demand. I will give you specific statistical evidence if you need it if you have trouble analyzing real data from eBay. Just let me know.

He'll ignore it or he'll change his argument...bc heaven forbid he ever admit he's wrong

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

I don't think you understand the kids in the 90's that grew up collecting baseball cards, playing video games and wore his shoes. Ken Griffey Jr. is right there with Bo Jackson with the impact he had on the sport, pop culture and that generation. For goodness sake, they still have a shoe line of the man. He'll show up in a video game this year if he hasn't already.

Yeah, but comparing Griffey to Mantle in the hobby is a reach at best, mainly because Mantle was the poster child of a hobby that went from a nerdy underground thing to full blown retail hysteria in around 5 years time in the early 1980's. For me part of the definition of "vintage" is cards that were produced before there was self-awareness per se of card values in the hobby. When Mantle cards were new, kids routinely pitched them against brick walls, and parents routinely threw sacks of cards away when their kids went to college. That innocence is part of what makes "vintage" unique.

Griffey may have been as good a player in the 90's as Mantle was in the 50's - but there never was any awakening like that with collectibles after Griffey was a young player. We knew to hoard his cards; we anticipated doing so before they were even issued. His UD cards went directly from the pack into toploaders.

At least for me, it's distinctions like that which make it difficult to see a latter day superstar ever having the mania-like following of a Mickey Mantle. It was the baby boomer dealers that took the card hobby mainstream who crowned Mantle "that guy" in the hobby - practically if not in reality more popular even than Ruth - when everyone stared poking around looking for their old cards again in the 80's. It could have been Mays, but it wasn't. It could have been Williams. But even now, 40+ years later - Mantle is still about the only hobby superstar who is treated in such a unique way.

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by k13

Baseball is popular here.
I'm by the border.

Americans don't care about Griffey either just whoever is the flavor of the week. Kris Bryant, Judge, Trout, Acuna, Soto, Tatis, bowman prospects and vintage. Kris Bryant hype was unreal here years ago.

I did the Big Toronto show many times and it had people from everywhere in the world. No one asked for Griffey ONCE.....

Indeed the vast majority of hobbyists are only interested in the flavor of the month to flip and not collect guys like Griffey or otherwise.

As for the rest of the hobbyists, they’re mostly interested in the flavor of the month to flip and use a percentage of the proceeds to try to fund a player collection they intend to sell somewhere down the road.

Then lastly, there’s the hobbyists who aren’t interested in flipping.

[imbluestreak23]

I don't trust the opinions of those who hate on Patty Cakes

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by jchcollins

Yeah, but comparing Griffey to Mantle in the hobby is a reach at best, mainly because Mantle was the poster child of a hobby that went from a nerdy underground thing to full blown retail hysteria in around 5 years time in the early 1980's.

I would think the most similar comparison is 1989 Upper Deck #1 and the impact he had in the hobby and it's innovative boom. It can be argued that the second most important Post-War card is the UD#1. I wouldn't go as far a making a 1:1 comparison because of Mantle's impact on the game, the generation of fans and the hobby. It's not a who is better argument. It's what player most impacted that generation.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

I would think the most similar comparison is 1989 Upper Deck #1 and the impact he had in the hobby and it's innovative boom. It can be argued that the second most important Post-War card is the UD#1. I wouldn't go as far a making a 1:1 comparison because of Mantle's impact on the game, the generation of fans and the hobby. It's not a who is better argument. It's what player most impacted that generation.

Yes, but 1989 UD #1 will never command the dollars of a '52 Mantle. They were dramatically overproduced. You can argue certainly that Griffey was among the most important / a defining player of his generation. I would never argue that Mantle the player was "better". I was referring to his general regard in the hobby. You are comparing apples to turnips.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

I don't think you understand the kids in the 90's that grew up collecting baseball cards, playing video games and wore his shoes. Ken Griffey Jr. is right there with Bo Jackson with the impact he had on the sport, pop culture and that generation. For goodness sake, they still have a shoe line of the man. He'll show up in a video game this year if he hasn't already.

I was one of those kids?

Griffey was very popular with kids in the early-to-mid 90s. He had a child-like personality that kids identified with. After the 94 strike, he was overshadowed by other players. The kids who grew up idolizing him eventually aged out of his demographic.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by jchcollins

Yeah, but comparing Griffey to Mantle in the hobby is a reach at best, mainly because Mantle was the poster child of a hobby that went from a nerdy underground thing to full blown retail hysteria in around 5 years time in the early 1980's. For me part of the definition of "vintage" is cards that were produced before there was self-awareness per se of card values in the hobby. When Mantle cards were new, kids routinely pitched them against brick walls, and parents routinely threw sacks of cards away when their kids went to college. That innocence is part of what makes "vintage" unique.

Griffey may have been as good a player in the 90's as Mantle was in the 50's - but there never was any awakening like that with collectibles after Griffey was a young player. We knew to hoard his cards; we anticipated doing so before they were even issued. His UD cards went directly from the pack into toploaders.

At least for me, it's distinctions like that which make it difficult to see a latter day superstar ever having the mania-like following of a Mickey Mantle. It was the baby boomer dealers that took the card hobby mainstream who crowned Mantle "that guy" in the hobby - practically if not in reality more popular even than Ruth - when everyone stared poking around looking for their old cards again in the 80's. It could have been Mays, but it wasn't. It could have been Williams. But even now, 40+ years later - Mantle is still about the only hobby superstar who is treated in such a unique way.

Don't sell Mantle short. Griffey was no-doubt one of the very best all-around players in the 90s, behind Barry Bonds. But Mantle led the league in OPS six times -- OPS+ eight times. Griffey never led in OPS or OPS+ once.

JAWS WA7 (seven best seasons by WAR) has Mantle way ahead of Griffey -- 64.7 vs 54.0. Career WAR is a blowout for Mantle -- 110.2 vs 83.8.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Don't sell Mantle short. Griffey was no-doubt one of the very best all-around players in the 90s, behind Barry Bonds. But Mantle led the league in OPS six times -- OPS+ eight times. Griffey never led in OPS or OPS+ once.

JAWS WA7 (seven best seasons by WAR) has Mantle way ahead of Griffey -- 64.7 vs 54.0. Career WAR is a blowout for Mantle -- 110.2 vs 83.8.

Sorry, you are missing my point. I'm not selling either one of them short on the field. (In this example I don't care). I'm discussing Mantle's hobby stature vs. Griffey's - which is something totally different. Mantle is a unicorn in our hobby. He's the king and always will be.