Wander Franco Rookie Card Debate (2021 Bowman's Best vs. 2022 RC logo cards)

[htn315]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

If that’s the truth then every card of Soto or Acuna from 2018 Topps Update and Chrome Update etc aren’t RCs.


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Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

I’m saying since there are no clear cut definitions according to many here a RC can be a thing we want or not want. Prospect, base set, insert, etc. no clear rule right? Doesn’t need a RC logo like the last 15 year. Of course those are RC ( Soto and Acuna). Wander 2021 BB is not. It’s a prospect card.


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If Prospect cards can't be rookie cards, then the 1993 SP Jeter can't be a rookie card.



Same rules have always applied, just no prospect cards to debate since Topps stopped including them in base sets in 2006.

[JWBlue]

Why is the issue objective?

It is clear the intent by Topps was for it to be a prospect card.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by JWBlue

Why is the issue objective?

It is clear the intent by Topps was it to be a prospect card.

the numbering says otherwise

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by AwesomeBrian

And why is no one going crazy for the Jasson Dominguez 'RC' in this very same set? Or Julio Rodriguez?

Because we don’t care about players without superstar potential.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Which 2019 Yordan is numbered as part of a base set?

None. People just remember the initial Bowman Heritage card that got scrapped and the product redone because Topps put him in the regular set as a RC.

[oldgoldy97]

Plus they haven’t played an MLB game.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by pewe

Don’t forget the critical: “flipping cards is more profitable if we convince unwitting rubes that this card will be considered special in the hobby”


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I was attempting to lay out both sides without bias.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Which 2019 Yordan is numbered as part of a base set?

None. Yordan’s flagship and any other claim to his “True RC” throne all are from 2020. The season AFTER he won AL ROY.

[pewe]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

I was attempting to lay out both sides without bias.

Is it bias to recognize the flippers’ rationale for supporting this in the short term (longer term they may not care)??? That’s not a normative statement, just a reality


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[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by htn315

If Prospect cards can't be rookie cards, then the 1993 SP Jeter can't be a rookie card.



Same rules have always applied, just no prospect cards to debate since Topps stopped including them in base sets in 2006.

Rules were changed in 2005. If you and others can’t see that then don’t know what else to say. MLBPA stepped in and cleared it up back then. If Wanders BB is a RC why is it a different background? Why doesn’t it have the RC logo? Anyone answer that? Nope.


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[pewe]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Because we don’t care about players without superstar potential.

Skitch!




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[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by pewe

Is it bias to recognize the flippers’ rationale for supporting this in the short term (longer term they may not care)??? That’s not a normative statement, just a reality


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There’s people on both sides with a financial interest and motivations for it to be or not be an RC. Yes, BBest flippers gain in the short-term from this debate, but that’s a personal motivator. I was just looking at the barebones facts from each side without those external elements. That’s all.

[ThoseBackPages]

id say that the moneybois are more interested in 2022 having his RCs, as they'll be able to sell more

[pewe]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

the numbering says otherwise

Yet 100% of the rest of the card clearly says “prospect”


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[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by pewe

Yet 100% of the rest of the card clearly says “prospect”


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is this a RC?



this is what 1993 score "looks like"

[hoos]

Originally Posted by pewe

Yet 100% of the rest of the card clearly says “prospect”


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You mean sort of like the other examples of well-accepted early RC cards of major stars?

[pewe]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

is this a RC?

Sadly I don’t collect Jeter cards, so I have no informed opinions about his prospect vs. rookie cards

But that card certainly doesn’t have an “RC” shield, so there is that








[TIC, of course]


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[pewe]

Originally Posted by hoos

You mean sort of like the other examples of well-accepted early RC cards of major stars?

I’m not sure which cards you have in mind, but it’s clear there continues to be many contemporary collectors who call 1st bowman prospect cards rookie cards, and those cards are very very sought after… it doesn’t make them actual rookie cards, probably just like those you are referring to… also doesn’t mean they can’t be highly collectible, either


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[pewe]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

id say that the moneybois are more interested in 2022 having his RCs, as they'll be able to sell more

Got to keep moving to the next thing, if you want to flip!


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[hoos]

Originally Posted by pewe

I’m not sure which cards you have in mind, but it’s clear there continues to be many contemporary collectors who call 1st bowman prospect cards rookie cards, and those cards are very very sought after… it doesn’t make them actual rookie cards, probably just like those you are referring to… also doesn’t mean they can’t be highly collectible, either


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For example:

PSA Jeter RC Registry Checklist

And I totally agree with collecting what you like, and other non-RC cards of major stars being collectible. Jeter also has a “RC Era” registry that runs from 1992-1996 I believe.

[oldgoldy97]

I’ll have Wander RCs regardless of the year. Three BB true RCs and I’m sure I’ll pull a bunch of (RC)s out of 2022 products.

[wood minis]

I picked up a couple of the Bowman's Best to add to the small Wander Franco collection I started earlier last year. I particularly like the Masterpieces one. Don't really care what these are considered. I'm hoping to pick some up some 2022s with the logo too. I imagine there will be some good ones to go after. Just hoping not to be priced out. I'll be looking like most everyone else.

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Because we don’t care about players without superstar potential.

Correct

[hoos]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

I’ll have Wander RCs regardless of the year. Three BB true RCs and I’m sure I’ll pull a bunch of (RC)s out of 2022 products.

Likewise

[Pacmeyer]

Originally Posted by rfgilles

Yeah, I figure a response is close to nil.

You wouldn't get an honest response anyway. Easiest explanation would be an oops, we messed up, but just too many things going on this year for that. Don't forget Topps felt completely blindsided which means some very rich folks felt taken by Fanatics. Easy for one of them to ask their underlings how do we throw a monkey wrench at it. Even something as simple as this is a nice little screw 'em. And the cards would have been sent to the printers months ago.