2023 Upper Deck Marvel Masterpieces - Dan dos Santos

[sfgiants4life]

Also I guess I should add like the above stated....red spectrum easily.

[DynaEtch]

I'd be thrilled with either, but Im partial to the red spectrums if for nothing else than...consistency. They have a history going back to MM16 and were always the 1/1 to chase in MM. Red Spectrums also more of a true base parallel feel. It'll be interesting to see how prices shake out though and how the market votes.

Originally Posted by exotechktx

They definitely just messed up simply by virtue of intended triptychs not being sequential >=(

As for your question, having seen the Amber in hand, 100% Amber.

Lets not forget the Steranko triptych in 1993 Masterpieces was split apart in the set, and those skybox sets were over-planned and designed to the nth degree What they are doing I think is making it a 'subtle' triptych....like an easter egg in the set if you will.

MMguy is correct that the cardboard connection base checklist is all off...they do have the triptych's consecutive in that list which is wrong. I really think what happened is these checklists put out were all preliminary and just turned out to not be the final version- they made adjustments clearly.

[exotechktx]

Are there triptychs in more recent sets that are properly numbered? The 96 duels come pretty close. The Xmen series II are also properly displayed, both vertical and horizontal! But I suppose it could be an intended Easter egg....I question its effectiveness in the internet age though.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by exotechktx

Are there triptychs in more recent sets that are properly numbered? The 96 duels come pretty close. The Xmen series II are also properly displayed, both vertical and horizontal! But I suppose it could be an intended Easter egg....I question its effectiveness in the internet age though.

Yea it took someone what, a whole 5 minutes to point out the triptychs in this thread.

I dont know about newer sets as much (well Masterpieces-wise we havent seen triptychs in the new ones)...but 1994 Fleer Ultra X-men did have proper tripytchs in the base set, consecutively numbered. And beyond triptych of course are all the 9-panel sets like Marvel Universe series 4 and 1994 Fleer Spiderman....what do you call that, nonatychs.

[JERAF]

Anyone know if boxes/cases are starting to dry up?

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by JERAF

Anyone know if boxes/cases are starting to dry up?

Cant be drying up too much yet if there are boxes and cases still available on the big online retailers. I wonder what the allocation spread is... the big retailers, especially the one with plenty of them right now...must have gotten a pretty darn large percentage of the physical run.

Is it me, or is most of the MM22 being opened by a fairly small group, mostly within the marvel card influencer circle. Yea there are a few examples of one or two boxes being opened here and there like in this thread, but most of what's opened is probably coming from the large box and case breaks on the youtube channels you see. This is what happens when it's $900 a box I guess. This set is utterly out of reach of the avg collector.

[PurplesaurusRex]

Originally Posted by JERAF

Anyone know if boxes/cases are starting to dry up?

Nope, in fact DA is selling cases now. $11K a pop.

[Fenian95]

There is a lot of 2 and 3 box breaks happening with average collectors in the Facebook groups.

I would imagine most of them saved for what they assumed would be a case and are buying what they can with the money.

[PurplesaurusRex]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Is it me, or is most of the MM22 being opened by a fairly small group, mostly within the marvel card influencer circle. Yea there are a few examples of one or two boxes being opened here and there like in this thread, but most of what's opened is probably coming from the large box and case breaks on the youtube channels you see. This is what happens when it's $900 a box I guess. This set is utterly out of reach of the avg collector.

Makes you wonder if they're just part of the marketing department. I'm sure they get discounts or something. One guy jokingly said his stream is brought to you by Upper Deck, that's not far from the truth.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Fenian95

There is a lot of 2 and 3 box breaks happening with average collectors in the Facebook groups.

I would imagine most of them saved for what they assumed would be a case and are buying what they can with the money.

3 boxes is $2700. Seems like an awful lot for a casual collector.

I wonder how many are opening boxes they got at the $500 original presale. The numbers add up, since I think the max was 3 per purchase at the time, and some people probably would get 2 or 3 boxes from that.

At $500 I think this box would be easy to break....there is definitely value in there and chance for big hit. At $900 though....very, very likely to be losing a lot value by opening, judging by the price of many singles Im seeing.

[Fenian95]

True. But the Masterpieces group has a lot of what I would call serious MM collectors who don't buy anything else but these sets. So if you account for the fact they aren't diluting their money on every non sports set that comes out....

[hychang5]

Originally Posted by JERAF

Anyone know if boxes/cases are starting to dry up?

Doesn't seem like it, people are sitting on sealed boxes/cases, so some people may get that impression. However, it's out there for people who want to pay, but some are getting hysterical. I saw some people buying them for over $1,000 and $125 a pack.

[exotechktx]

Guess it's time to pull myself up by my bootstraps and make money to buy a case.

[Brobocop]

I bought in to the Star Wars Sapphire hype last year at $650 a box. Never again. If this stuff drops in price cool, maybe I'll buy a box. If it doesn't, well, there is no shortage of things to spend my money on. Buy a box of this or a share of Nvidia?

[kyle1707]

I’m hearing a lot of well it’s masterpieces it won’t go down in price

Well Spider-Man metal was 700 at release. And it’s 320 now and I don’t think it’s selling

Masterpieces is beautiful…. But not sure they will keep it at 800-900

Lots of 150 dollar boxes out there

Plus the flood is coming with epack

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by kyle1707

I’m hearing a lot of well it’s masterpieces it won’t go down in price

Well Spider-Man metal was 700 at release. And it’s 320 now and I don’t think it’s selling

Masterpieces is beautiful…. But not sure they will keep it at 800-900

Lots of 150 dollar boxes out there

Plus the flood is coming with epack

Difference is the print run. Probably 4x the hobby print run for spidey metal. Then you have to factor in the zillions of retail boxes out there saturating things which MM doesn’t have.

I mean the non-original art in Spidey Metal vs the new art in this is a huge factor for me that I would add to the comparison, but I realize that doesn’t really drive prices one way or the other with a lot of people buying this stuff (e.g. PMGs).

Hard to see a modern MM box like this crashing, especially one with such nice art. Remember all previous MM boxes going back to 2016 are like $700+ boxes on the market.

[Xazark]

I had another look back at the preview release images of all of the paintings and realised that there are actually 136 paintings that he did, not 135 as previously thought. In addition to the ones listed as holofoils that were swapped for parallels of base cards as recounted a page or 2 back, there is a Punisher painting that isn't named anywhere and hasn't been announced yet that I can see so I assume this is going to be some sort of an achievement card.

[1992UDFootball]

Originally Posted by Xazark

I had another look back at the preview release images of all of the paintings and realised that there are actually 136 paintings that he did, not 135 as previously thought. In addition to the ones listed as holofoils that were swapped for parallels of base cards as recounted a page or 2 back, there is a Punisher painting that isn't named anywhere and hasn't been announced yet that I can see so I assume this is going to be some sort of an achievement card.

I would be surprised if Punisher shows up considering how Disney's treated the character because of political nonsense.

Thought I'd read here somewhere that Punisher has landed on the 'Do not draw' sketch list.

[exotechktx]

Originally Posted by 1992UDFootball

I would be surprised if Punisher shows up considering how Disney's treated the character because of political nonsense.

Thought I'd read here somewhere that Punisher has landed on the 'Do not draw' sketch list.

In one of his interviews w/ a box break, he mentioned (paraphrasing) that he was very bummed about them not utilizing Punisher - it might've been his favorite painting. They specifically canned it SPECIFICALLY because of the political misuse of the punisher iconography.

[Xazark]

Originally Posted by exotechktx

In one of his interviews w/ a box break, he mentioned (paraphrasing) that he was very bummed about them not utilizing Punisher - it might've been his favorite painting. They specifically canned it SPECIFICALLY because of the political misuse of the punisher iconography.

Ahh ok cool, I must have missed that commentary, cheers

[DynaEtch]

Third 'error green' surfaced on ebay, this time Daredevil

https://ebay.com/itm/155734199316

Same old story, no other actual greens of the character on the market. Front looks base, back doesnt say emerald green, but has green number /25.

Im going to guess that for the characters affected, there are no actual green looking cards, there will be 25 base looking errors. That's the theory until proven otherwise with an example.

So far known characters affected are

#38 Gamora
#42 Daredevil
#47 Black Cat

I do not see a pattern here yet, it's possible it could be random. One might think with the numbers clustered together it affected a stretch like #38-47, but this is not true, as #40 Iron Fist does have actual greens (green ribbon) sold on the market.

[Brian12215]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Third 'error green' surfaced on ebay, this time Daredevil

https://ebay.com/itm/155734199316

Same old story, no other actual greens of the character on the market. Front looks base, back doesnt say emerald green, but has green number /25.

Im going to guess that for the characters affected, there are no actual green looking cards, there will be 25 base looking errors. That's the theory until proven otherwise with an example.

So far known characters affected are

#38 Gamora
#42 Daredevil
#47 Black Cat

I do not see a pattern here yet, it's possible it could be random. One might think with the numbers clustered together it affected a stretch like #38-47, but this is not true, as #40 Iron Fist does have actual greens (green ribbon) sold on the market.

And Dark Phoenix. I have an error Dark Phoenix. At this point it is my belief that these cards ARE the emeralds and stamped correctly. They just happen to be missing the green foil and the “emerald green” on the back. I believe this because we haven’t seen a single green of any of the characters with the errors.

[Brian12215]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

3 boxes is $2700. Seems like an awful lot for a casual collector.

I wonder how many are opening boxes they got at the $500 original presale. The numbers add up, since I think the max was 3 per purchase at the time, and some people probably would get 2 or 3 boxes from that.

At $500 I think this box would be easy to break....there is definitely value in there and chance for big hit. At $900 though....very, very likely to be losing a lot value by opening, judging by the price of many singles Im seeing.

I’m not an influencer but I ripped 20 boxes(one was for a friend) at an average cost of $612.5 per box after tax and shipping.

[hychang5]

Originally Posted by Brian12215

I’m not an influencer but I ripped 20 boxes(one was for a friend) at an average cost of $612.5 per box after tax and shipping.

I would have ripped some at that price. I bit and went for a box at $900 because I started worrying about it drying up and got an average box. Not a stinker but hard to swallow at $900

[PurplesaurusRex]

Originally Posted by Brian12215

And Dark Phoenix. I have an error Dark Phoenix. At this point it is my belief that these cards ARE the emeralds and stamped correctly. They just happen to be missing the green foil and the “emerald green” on the back. I believe this because we haven’t seen a single green of any of the characters with the errors.

I hope everyone that pulled one of these greens is contacting UD about this nonsense. I would. This needs to be fixed and people shouldn't just shrug and brush it off after spending hundreds (or thousands) of dollars.