2023-24 Topps Chrome Basketball

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by StevieScheffler

Again, just because it's been like this in the past doesn't mean this time will be the same. And imo the reasons why this time is different is because:

1. Topps is gaining the license going forward and all future Topps licensed releases will legtitimize OG Topps pajama sets from the past, while future unlicensed Prizm will have a negative or neutral effect on past licensed Prizm.

2. The autos are only in Topps pajama cards and people love autos more than they "hate" pajama cards, especially when there's no choice. If there were 1986 Fleer Jordan pajama auto RCs, and they were the only Jordan auto RCs ever, every single one would be worth the GDP of Canada today.

3. Nobody "hates" pajama cards. Nobody would tear a pajama Wemby auto in half because they "hate" it. You either don't like how it looks or you don't like that in the past they haven't held their value. But it's not some law of nature that pajama cards must be inferior and a hated class of cards.

4. This is a matter of opinion, but lots of people think the TC Wemby autos, esp. refractors and some of the parallels, look really good. I'm not from San Antonio, I don't give a crap that the Spurs logo is missing.

There's no winning an arguement like this, of course. Time will tell.

You mean because bad taste will suddenly become in fashion?

1. When topps licensed comes out, people who are delusional now will finally realize that a topps licensed product is infinitely superior to pajama cards. People need to stop smoking this stuff.

2. Exclusive autos may be a selling point, but this is a second year release, and Wemby has pajama autos from previous year releases and in other sports products as well. Nothing novel about this except that rc logo which only uneducated collectors depend on.

3. When you have licensed alternatives with everything else being the same, the pajama cards always come in second. Always.

4. Pajama cards can be made to be attractive, but see #3. The most attractive thing about a basketball card are the NBA licensed logos, especially if you are a fan of the team, first and foremost.

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

You mean because bad taste will suddenly become in fashion?

1. When topps licensed comes out, people who are delusional now will finally realize that a topps licensed product is infinitely superior to pajama cards. People need to stop smoking this stuff.

2. Exclusive autos may be a selling point, but this is a second year release, and Wemby has pajama autos from previous year releases and in other sports products as well. Nothing novel about this except that rc logo which only uneducated collectors depend on.

3. When you have licensed alternatives with everything else being the same, the pajama cards always come in second. Always.

4. Pajama cards can be made to be attractive, but see #3. The most attractive thing about a basketball card are the NBA licensed logos, especially if you are a fan of the team, first and foremost.

Agreed
When Baltimore lost the NFL Colts, we had a CFL team called the Baltimore Stallions play at Memorial Stadium. People came and cheered and there was some level of embracement and fanfare ……. but the second it was announced we were getting an NFL team back called the Ravens, the Stallions could immediately go to hell and get out.

My point is, unlicensed vs licensed products work the same way - they are just somewhat acceptable ‘filler’ until the real deal is available, then they can burn in the fiery pits of Satan’s Den.

[N8theGR8]

With the LeBron super coming out of hobby…is there possibility the Wemby super is in Breakers Delight?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

You mean because bad taste will suddenly become in fashion?

1. When topps licensed comes out, people who are delusional now will finally realize that a topps licensed product is infinitely superior to pajama cards. People need to stop smoking this stuff.

2. Exclusive autos may be a selling point, but this is a second year release, and Wemby has pajama autos from previous year releases and in other sports products as well. Nothing novel about this except that rc logo which only uneducated collectors depend on.

3. When you have licensed alternatives with everything else being the same, the pajama cards always come in second. Always.

4. Pajama cards can be made to be attractive, but see #3. The most attractive thing about a basketball card are the NBA licensed logos, especially if you are a fan of the team, first and foremost.

But for argument's sake, let's say 2003-04 was similar to today and the only Lebron rookie autos were unlicensed. Do you believe people would have forgotten those and just went for the first licensed year, or would the unlicensed 2003-04 still be the rookie auto to get?

That's where we are at on Wemby. I would agree that 99.9% of this product could very well be forgotten down the line, but IF Wemby becomes what many think he will, I can't imagine the 23-24 TC auto will be forgotten in favor of the 3rd year Licensed auto that Topps will eventually put out.

[90skid]

I totally get the chase aspect of people hoping to hit big and cash out, but I have to wonder about the actual buyers of these cards.

Do you think anyone throwing thousands of dollars at a Wemby auto right now are the same people who threw thousands of dollars at Zion auto's when they came out? Or are these people even newer to the hobby who missed the Zion hype?

There is absolutely zero guarantee in Wemby's NBA career. Anything can happen, both on the court and off the court. This hyped up non-sense is truly amazing how much history repeats itself.

To anyone actually buying Wemby to hold and collect, need I remind you of 2019 Zion now in 2024:



To anyone gambling/breaking/purchasing Wemby just to flip short term for profit, I guess this doesn't apply to you.

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by 90skid

To anyone actually buying Wemby to hold and collect, need I remind you of 2019 Zion now in 2024:



To anyone gambling/breaking/purchasing Wemby just to flip short term for profit, I guess this doesn't apply to you.

If Wemby turns out to be an overweight, undisciplined, injury prone flop …. I’m selling everything and going back to comics. At least Spider-man never tears his UCL.

[ninjabum87]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

But for argument's sake, let's say 2003-04 was similar to today and the only Lebron rookie autos were unlicensed. Do you believe people would have forgotten those and just went for the first licensed year, or would the unlicensed 2003-04 still be the rookie auto to get?

That's where we are at on Wemby. I would agree that 99.9% of this product could very well be forgotten down the line, but IF Wemby becomes what many think he will, I can't imagine the 23-24 TC auto will be forgotten in favor of the 3rd year Licensed auto that Topps will eventually put out.

Lemme introduce you to my friend "Wemby Rookie Licensed Auto Ebay 1/1" the second cousin of Lebron Lakers Rookie Prizm Bass.

Jokes aside literally the only thing that has a chance in hell at panning out are Bron and Wemby autos, and Bron autos will automatically get dumpstered if he's signing in a licensed release.

Buying this sht is like buying a pokemon release with one chase card in it. The rest of it might as well be akin to energy cards.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

But for argument's sake, let's say 2003-04 was similar to today and the only Lebron rookie autos were unlicensed. Do you believe people would have forgotten those and just went for the first licensed year, or would the unlicensed 2003-04 still be the rookie auto to get?

That's where we are at on Wemby. I would agree that 99.9% of this product could very well be forgotten down the line, but IF Wemby becomes what many think he will, I can't imagine the 23-24 TC auto will be forgotten in favor of the 3rd year Licensed auto that Topps will eventually put out.

If upper deck was an unlicensed company in 2003-04, the topps chrome licensed Lebron would have risen up to be THE card to get, just as the licensed non autographed panini prizm parallels of Wemby will be THE cards to have versus his topps pajama autos. Remember, nobody is saying his pajama autos are worth $0, they are simply not as desirable as Wemby’s premier licensed issue unautographed card, much like how 2016-17 Upper Deck Luka euroleague autographed cards are not very desirable compared to his 2018-19 licensed issues, whether they be autographed especially, or even not, like in prizm.

I’m not saying third year licensed Wemby chrome autos will sell for more than the second year rc logo ones, chronologically a third year Wemby auto will be in higher demand however than one would expect for a third year autographed card because he will be in a spurs logo uni. Comparing a second year rc logo is not the same thing as a third year licensed card.

My main point in response to the previous poster is : people aren’t suddenly going to actually prefer an unlicensed card over a licensed one, all things being equal.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by ninjabum87

Lemme introduce you to my friend "Wemby Rookie Licensed Auto Ebay 1/1" the second cousin of Lebron Lakers Rookie Prizm Bass.

Jokes aside literally the only thing that has a chance in hell at panning out are Bron and Wemby autos, and Bron autos will automatically get dumpstered if he's signing in a licensed release.

Buying this sht is like buying a pokemon release with one chase card in it. The rest of it might as well be akin to energy cards.

Can’t wait for the 2025-26 topps chrome fourth year Wemby spurs rookie refactors!

Where do I sign up?

[ninjabum87]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Can’t wait for the 2025-26 topps chrome fourth year Wemby spurs rookie refactors!

Where do I sign up?

That depends, how many spots do you plan on purchasing in official Fanatics ultra premium collectors editon topps chrome breaks? Now with 20% more hits than regular Topps Chrome! Only our most trusted degene- ....err... c'lecters will get allocations to our main releases, you see. Prove yourself by buying out a few full breaks and committing to use Fanatics Vault to vault and not redeem any redemptions you happen to hit and then we will talk.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by ninjabum87

That depends, how many spots do you plan on purchasing in official Fanatics ultra premium collectors editon topps chrome breaks? Now with 20% more hits than regular Topps Chrome! Only our most trusted degene- ....err... c'lecters will get allocations to our main releases, you see. Prove yourself by buying out a few full breaks and committing to use Fanatics Vault to vault and not redeem any redemptions you happen to hit and then we will talk.

Do my cardz need to be slabbed by fanatics grading service before submitting to the fanatics vault?

Get me ten cases worth of breaks, every team.

No, make it twenty cases.

[hermanotarjeta]

Fanatics is probably asking itself “why in the world did we pay so much for the NBA license? These degenerates will buy anything wrapped in foil packs.”

[Nomad]

And actual hobbyists asking why have we not had autos of key players in key sets for the past year. I mean it is kind of interesting to have key Wembys in waves, still be waiting for the auto in Spurs uni, but it seems like a contrived inflated bubble move in the long run. With 86 Fleer, as overprinted as it was, at least you have condition scarcity and only one set printed to keep GOAT prices manageable.

And Wemby about six championships away from a run at that status.

[StevieScheffler]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

2. Exclusive autos may be a selling point, but this is a second year release, and Wemby has pajama autos from previous year releases and in other sports products as well.

For real? Because there was 2022 Bowman collegiate autos the 2023-24 Topps Chrome is "second year" and not rookie year stuff like all of 2023-24 Panini, including NT, Flawless, etc. that aren't even released yet? Maybe I missed this since coming back to the hobby in 2020, but I don't think anybody is buying 2023-24 TC thinking it's his second, non-rookie year.

[StevieScheffler]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Remember, nobody is saying his pajama autos are worth $0, they are simply not as desirable as Wemby’s premier licensed issue unautographed card, much like how 2016-17 Upper Deck Luka euroleague autographed cards are not very desirable compared to his 2018-19 licensed issues, whether they be autographed especially, or even not, like in prizm.

Apples and oranges. 2016 Luka wasn't even in the league and I'm not even sure how anybody could get that Euroleague auto card in 2016.

It's more like it's 2018 and Luka has no autos except a 2018 Upper Deck NBA auto that's a pajama card. And then add in that Upper Deck will be the one making NBA cards exclusively starting in 2019 and Panini will be gone/the one making pajama cards.

You're telling me a scenario like that, the 2018 auto is gonna be worth way less then a 2018 non-auto? I guess this is where we disagree

[Nomad]

that take is completely PN.

(pajama napkin)

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by exospheer

I wouldn't buy a Brandon Miller auto since the card looks like ass, I would buy a Wemby auto since Topps actually made the card look good. The set does look like ass, but they got the most important card right and thats the most important thing. Just buy the autos, forget breaking. I also think the base wemby looks good too, non auto colors will be a cool card to get.

I'm 100% with you. Wait for the influx of Wemby's autos, prices will soften up, pick one up.

That's the chase card in the set and it looks great. Pretty much everything else sucks and not worth the price.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by StevieScheffler

Apples and oranges. 2016 Luka wasn't even in the league and I'm not even sure how anybody could get that Euroleague auto card in 2016.

It's more like it's 2018 and Luka has no autos except a 2018 Upper Deck NBA auto that's a pajama card. And then add in that Upper Deck will be the one making NBA cards exclusively starting in 2019 and Panini will be gone/the one making pajama cards.

You're telling me a scenario like that, the 2018 auto is gonna be worth way less then a 2018 non-auto? I guess this is where we disagree

Kind of like the Lebron example above.

Imagine if his exquisite RPA was a green st Vincent’s relic with him in an airbrushed high school uni. His topps chrome would be dominant, imo.

Just because something is autographed doesn’t necessarily make it more desirable.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by StevieScheffler

For real? Because there was 2022 Bowman collegiate autos the 2023-24 Topps Chrome is "second year" and not rookie year stuff like all of 2023-24 Panini, including NT, Flawless, etc. that aren't even released yet? Maybe I missed this since coming back to the hobby in 2020, but I don't think anybody is buying 2023-24 TC thinking it's his second, non-rookie year.

There are a lot of fools in this hobby, just like in life.

IMO, it’s a second year pajama card. Take it for what it is. I don’t need fanatics telling me what a rookie is. Panini has already issued plenty of them in his spurs uniform. He’s had autographed pajama cards in topps dynasty, Allen Ginter and flagship topps baseball. Plus a ton of made to order cards, in addition to autos in basketball last year.

I ain’t no fool.

[Scottish Punk]

Lol at $670 a box for these. Optic at $470. We as hobby participants have lost cabin pressure.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

Lol at $670 a box for these. Optic at $470. We as hobby participants have lost cabin pressure.

It’s a total mockery of the hobby.

The longer it takes to pull the wemby super, the higher box prices will go.

Just like the mega millions draw.

[ricebellypanda]

Originally Posted by N8theGR8

With the LeBron super coming out of hobby…is there possibility the Wemby super is in Breakers Delight?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

no superfractors in breakers delight if you trust the odds.

[coltsnsox07]

Blez just pulled the Wemby super Helix from a hobby case. Not an auto but will sell for big bucks I'm sure.

[N8theGR8]

Originally Posted by ricebellypanda

no superfractors in breakers delight if you trust the odds.

I see that. Hmm so really breakers delight seems like a worse choice.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[dizzy4111]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

There are a lot of fools in this hobby, just like in life.

IMO, it’s a second year pajama card. Take it for what it is. I don’t need fanatics telling me what a rookie is. Panini has already issued plenty of them in his spurs uniform. He’s had autographed pajama cards in topps dynasty, Allen Ginter and flagship topps baseball. Plus a ton of made to order cards, in addition to autos in basketball last year.

I ain’t no fool.

Preach