Yordan Alvarez

[Archangel1775]

Obviously he hurt you because it seems like you are applying the same attitude in this thread except you're taking it out on everyone

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

Obviously he hurt you because it seems like you are applying the same attitude in this thread except you're taking it out on everyone

Lol same attitude? Am I pumping Chas McCormick as a better alternative to Yordan? And then Chas gets droppped to AAA? Because that would be the equivalent. My purpose here is just to save unsuspecting people from the pump in this thread not to get duped into buying Yordan if they are buying for appreciation. "Yordan= best hitter in baseball, not a good investment"- that's the entire extent of my pitch in this thread and if people see that as "taking it out on them" for a contrary opinion on Yordan's investment potential well then LOL

[Archangel1775]

You're not saving anyone dude. It's your imagination. Go volunteer at a food shelter or something. You've reached the nuisance level in this thread.

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

You're not saving anyone dude. It's your imagination. Go volunteer at a food shelter or something. You've reached the nuisance level in this thread.

Good to know calling a guy the best hitter in the sport is "nuisance level". I was once new to baseball cards and wouldn't have known how big of a drag the Yordan issues really are(Astro+DH). Yordan seems very cheap for how good he is, and new people need understand the magnitude of why and why that won't change. And especially so when you have the holders of his cards here talking about him like a lock for multiple MVPs and 600 HRs. Someone needs to push back on the pump, ironic to say when we all agree he's the best hitter in the game

[LittleJimmies]

I see Frank Thomas with 100x the playoff credentials. I'll take that.

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by LittleJimmies

I see Frank Thomas with 100x the playoff credentials. I'll take that.

Frank Thomas had 30 WAR by age 26(Yordan's at 18) and was far more durable at this point in his career. Thomas was also a far better hitter up through this point. Yordan's career wRC+ is 149. Thomas didn't have a season under 165 until he was 30. Do people forget how good Frank Thomas was? Or they just see a big slugging guy and think Frank Thomas

This is why this thread needs someone to give a dose of reality. Thomas and Yordan really aren't comparable by the same point in their careers. Thomas was on another level. And didn't have two of Yordan's big issues: Astro and injury history

[Twalk1975]

I noticed both David Ortiz and Adrian Beltre have autos in flagship this year. Beltre has 90+ WAR and was a gold glove defender. Ortiz had 55 WAR, was a DH, and has arguably a far more legitimate cheating taint than Yordan. What do sales look like on their comparable cards from flagship this year? Ortiz of course has the post season credentials, but the same dude making the DH argument will tell you this is baseball, and we don't care about the post season...

[timber63401]

Originally Posted by LittleJimmies

I see Frank Thomas with 100x the playoff credentials. I'll take that.

Astros fan checking in here. I love Yordan...he's no Frank. Not even close.

[ScooterD]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Frank Thomas had 30 WAR by age 26(Yordan's at 18) and was far more durable at this point in his career. Thomas was also a far better hitter up through this point. Yordan's career wRC+ is 149. Thomas didn't have a season under 165 until he was 30. Do people forget how good Frank Thomas was? Or they just see a big slugging guy and think Frank Thomas

This is why this thread needs someone to give a dose of reality. Thomas and Yordan really aren't comparable by the same point in their careers. Thomas was on another level. And didn't have two of Yordan's big issues: Astro and injury history

What you’re doing here (and in other threads) is making people

A. Ignore you
B. Thank you
C. Ask you to stop

We have heard from a lot of people in the C category, but none from the B. That’s because you’re essentially shouting “stop eating chicken” while standing in a KFC.

[rngrdanny22]

Originally Posted by ScooterD

That’s because you’re essentially shouting “stop eating chicken” while standing in a KFC.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by LittleJimmies

I see Frank Thomas with 100x the playoff credentials. I'll take that.

Originally Posted by timber63401

Astros fan checking in here. I love Yordan...he's no Frank. Not even close.

I wouldn't compare stat line to state line either. Age 23-29 Big Hurt was insane. But I do agree that they are similar in build being big guys and have the ability to hit for power and average. Big Hurt though, those numbers were nuts and I'd be content if Yordan had one season over .340 and really, played as long as Frank Thomas did. However, what Yordan is doing in the playoffs right now, is also insane.

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by ScooterD

What you’re doing here (and in other threads) is making people

A. Ignore you
B. Thank you
C. Ask you to stop

We have heard from a lot of people in the C category, but none from the B. That’s because you’re essentially shouting “stop eating chicken” while standing in a KFC.

I know there are people listening to me. I got quite a few DMs about Brock Purdy. But everything I say is backed up with numbers, you can ignore the words and just look at the numbers and draw your own conclusions. If you don't want to feel free to ignore. I'm not going to let the unrealistic pump go unanswered

[pewe]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Frank Thomas had 30 WAR by age 26(Yordan's at 18) and was far more durable at this point in his career. Thomas was also a far better hitter up through this point. Yordan's career wRC+ is 149. Thomas didn't have a season under 165 until he was 30. Do people forget how good Frank Thomas was? Or they just see a big slugging guy and think Frank Thomas

This is why this thread needs someone to give a dose of reality. Thomas and Yordan really aren't comparable by the same point in their careers. Thomas was on another level. And didn't have two of Yordan's big issues: Astro and injury history

...I think you may be looking at Yordan's career post season wRC+, when you say 149. His career regular season wRC+ is 166. And outside 2021 @137 (ignoring his 9 AB 2020 season), he's never been below 170 wRC+.

Of course Thomas was amazing. So this is not an attempt to have a "whose better" conversation relative to the Big Hurt.

I'm just ensuring we are using the same statistical basis.

[Bambino22]

Big Papi calling him Little Papi is pretty funny.

[BGeezy]

Originally Posted by pewe

...I think you may be looking at Yordan's career post season wRC+, when you say 149. His career regular season wRC+ is 166. And outside 2021 @137 (ignoring his 9 AB 2020 season), he's never been below 170 wRC+.

Of course Thomas was amazing. So this is not an attempt to have a "whose better" conversation relative to the Big Hurt.

I'm just ensuring we are using the same statistical basis.

"Dose of reality" and then continues to use incorrect stats muddied with BS.

Anyone who is as full of himself as BB and continues to get basic facts wrong is someone that should never be taken seriously.

[JDubs80]

Love me yordaddy !!

[ThoseBackPages]

i dont have many Yordans, but that clown is going to make me pick some up! HAHA

[Onepocketj]

2-3 so far

[pewe]

Well that was an ugly at bat


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[Archangel1775]

Good to see the other bats heat up. Altuve showed up tonight. Yordan still doing his thing!

[ddearing]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

i dont have many Yordans, but that clown is going to make me pick some up! HAHA

I got you bro.

[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by JoinerCP

I'm new here but seems like there is a lot of talking past one another when discussing players.

People are positing that 600hrs is at the top of the possibility curve for Yordan? For those of you who believe it's in the realm of possibility, could you tell me what % chance you'd give that?

>0.3%.

Basically no more than 3-sigma event.

[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by Bambino22

My wild guess. 5% for 600!
What concerns me the most is not injuries, thats 3rd. It's managers benching Yordan earlier in games and more often full games. And always changing pitchers on him.

This is a problem for everybody. Last year Joey Gallo had more PA against RP than he did SP. All batters will have this issue now. Especially LHB. Especially LHB that are "frightening" (to quote a Rangers friend of mine) like Yordan.

[jimfalbo21]

Yordan is possibly baseball's best hitter

[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

Obviously he hurt you because it seems like you are applying the same attitude in this thread except you're taking it out on everyone

I have now determined that BBases has lost his mind. In no way shape or form did I ever have Alek Thomas as a better player than Corbin Carroll. Only a better defender.

To wit;

Carroll's last year I had him at #2 on my list and a straight grade A (a top 5 prospect in a typical year). Thomas's last year I had him as a B+/A- (read: a strong B+). B+ is typcially a top 50 prospect, A- is typically a top 15 prospect overall. Call it 20-25. For example, this year, I have 20 positional players at B+/A or better. I'm going from memory on Thomas, but even if I had him at A-/B+ (a weak A-), I still have 14 at that level or better. That's not even counting draft picks or complex guys, so we're talking #20-25 at best.

The other factor, and this is the biggie, is where I put my money. I didn't trade a whole lot in either guy last year, but when I did it was Carroll more than Thomas....despite the fact that he was 8x more expensive!

It all comes back to one thing. I was right about Carroll's defense. I am right about defense re: the hobby. He has been wrong about Yordan over and over. He knows it. He can't handle it.