PWCC Altered Cards Callout Thread - 1952 Topps Mantle etc

[auburn35]

Originally Posted by pspa123

Maybe Brentsy now thinks he's innocent and decided not to cooperate after all. Just speculating of course.

Would be nice to hear more about the breakup. Hopefully the federal investigation hasn't run it's course.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by auburn35

Would be nice to hear more about the breakup. Hopefully the federal investigation hasn't run it's course.

I'm curious who the new lawyer is.

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by pspa123

I'm curious who the new lawyer is.

[Vintagecollect]

I Bet the bill came back... from NASA

[CaptSpaulding]

Originally Posted by pspa123

I'm curious who the new lawyer is.

From what I was told, it is a former prosecutor from the US Attorneys, who is in private practice now.

[auburn35]

Originally Posted by CaptSpaulding

From what I was told, it is a former prosecutor from the US Attorneys, who is in private practice now.

Do you know anything about what led to the swap of attorneys?

Curious if Brentsy was dropped as s client or did they replace Lichtman.

[HarryLime]

Arthur

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by auburn35

Do you know anything about what led to the swap of attorneys?

Curious if Brentsy was dropped as s client or did they replace Lichtman.

I don't think we're going to know. My best guess is Brent decided he wants to fight the charges, contrary to the basis on which as I understand it Jeff agreed to represent him which was to cooperate. But again, I don't know.

[pip]

Originally Posted by pspa123

I don't think we're going to know. My best guess is Brent decided he wants to fight the charges, contrary to the basis on which as I understand it Jeff agreed to represent him which was to cooperate. But again, I don't know.

All that cooperating was just too much for him. And too expensive. Much easier to just resubmit all those trimmed cards to PSA.

[CaptSpaulding]

Originally Posted by pspa123

I don't think we're going to know. My best guess is Brent decided he wants to fight the charges, contrary to the basis on which as I understand it Jeff agreed to represent him which was to cooperate. But again, I don't know.

It was news to Brentsy that they were ever guilty of anything. They did not believe it for a minute.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by CaptSpaulding

It was news to Brentsy that they were ever guilty of anything. They did not believe it for a minute.

I imagine they were a difficult client.

[CaptSpaulding]

Originally Posted by pspa123

I imagine they were a difficult client.

Lots of evidence against them and they probably thought if they wrote a few checks that they would be off the hook. Their business grew during this time, grading companies seemed to also protect them by stating cards were graded accurately and everyone was making money.

I honestly believe they were compliant--they wrote checks, they ended auctions, they sent cards in for review, Brentsy even stopped doing interviews. I believe they were genuinely shocked that they would have to admit guilt.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by CaptSpaulding

Lots of evidence against them and they probably thought if they wrote a few checks that they would be off the hook. Their business grew during this time, grading companies seemed to also protect them by stating cards were graded accurately and everyone was making money.

I honestly believe they were compliant--they wrote checks, they ended auctions, they sent cards in for review, Brentsy even stopped doing interviews. I believe they were genuinely shocked that they would have to admit guilt.

I would be surprised if the nature of cooperation was not clearly explained from the get go. Now that said, they might have heard only what they wanted to hear. Or maybe others gave them different advice and they became emboldened.

[pip]

Maybe they'll rightly end up in jail after all.

[CaptSpaulding]

Originally Posted by pspa123

I would be surprised if the nature of cooperation was not clearly explained from the get go. Now that said, they might have heard only what they wanted to hear. Or maybe others gave them different advice and they became emboldened.

My comment was directed to the client, not the quality of the representation he got.

[auburn35]

Originally Posted by pspa123

I imagine they were a difficult client.

Brentsy also used multiple law firms in the class action case, so being a difficult client is certainly in the realm of possibility.

Originally Posted by pip

Maybe they'll rightly end up in jail after all.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by auburn35

Brentsy also used multiple law firms in the class action case, so being a difficult client is certainly in the realm of possibility.

It is my experience that many people who have been successful in life have a hard time believing their lawyer knows better/more than they do.

[qdoggmets]

from what i understand, lichtman is no longer pwcc's lawyer?

immediate thoughts on that are why?

did lichtman end it?
did pwcc run out of cash?
is the fbi done with looking into it?

the national is only a few weeks away. i wonder if we will see another display of fireworks.

[Bruins1993]

Originally Posted by auburn35

Recent interview with Nat Turner.

https://youtu.be/EVQ56Z7xv-U?t=939

Starts off discussing the notion of pop control but then talks counterfeit slabs, alterations, PSA guarantee...nothing really new but a pretty good listen.

"we want the cards off the market, that we screwed up"

Originally Posted by pspa123

How about the Wagner 8, Nat?

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Hey Nat, why is "no change to the population report necessary"? Steve Sloan won't answer the question why, maybe you will?

[corndog]

Found this while working on a Huigens/Moser update.



PSA Cert #26782098

1951 Parkhurst Paul Meger #2

Value gain of $330.79

PSA Set Registry: none found

This card was purchased by Gary Moser (whitman111) from Ebay seller glass1979 as a PSA 4 on November 30, 2016 for $30.99.

Same card was sold by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA 7 for $361.78 on May 21, 2017.

Yellow circles are print, chipping, stain or fiber identifiers.
Red boxes identify trimmed left and right edges.

[corndog]

Found this while working on a Huigens/Moser update.



PSA Cert #26782099

1951 Parkhurst Bill Quackenbush #26

Value LOSS of $18.60

PSA Set Registry: kev's Parkies

This card was purchased by Gary Moser (whitman111) from Ebay seller badpete69 as a PSA 7 on December 01, 2015 for $138.10.

Same card was sold by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA 7 for $119.50 on May 21, 2017.

Yellow circles are print, chipping, stain or fiber identifiers.
Red boxes identify trimmed left and right edges.

[cking]

Good eye Corndog

[Bruins1993]

Originally Posted by Bruins1993

***This card is not tied to OCSI or PWCC/Moser that I am aware of. I am posting it here for now since I see no reason to begin a new thread.***

Heritage Auctions will have a record of who consigned the SGC 9 card.

SGC Cert # 3845527

1934 Goudey #37 LOU GEHRIG

Value gain estimated at $55,199.00 in today's market using an average PSA 8 Price of $28,801.00 (VCP average).

This card has a record / image of being purchased in a Legendary Auction as a PSA 8 (Cert # 08160100) on March 17, 2001 for $16,812.00.

Auction description included:
“The lower left corner has the slightest hint of wear. The card is centered 45/55 top to bottom and 60/40 left to right.”

Same card was sold by Heritage Auctions as a SGC 9 (Cert # 3845527) on April 18, 2019 for $84,000.00.

Heritage link: https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1.../50012-51451.s

On Heritage Auctions site (HA.com) there is a “Make offer to Owner” buttom presently visible (as of October 27th 12PM ET) and below it states “This item's Owner is proactively entertaining Offers.”

Red circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red boxes identify trimmed left and bottom edges.

PSA 8 (Cert # 08160100):

SGC 9 (Cert # 3845527):


PSA 8 (Cert # 08160100):

SGC 9 (Cert # 3845527) Heritage sale with offers still being accepted as of this posting:






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UPDATED with higher resolution images of card before being trimmed.

***This card is not tied to OCSI or PWCC/Moser that I am aware of. I am posting it here for now since I see no reason to begin a new thread.***

Heritage Auctions will have a record of who consigned the SGC 9 card.

SGC Cert # 3845527

1934 Goudey #37 LOU GEHRIG

Value gain estimated at $55,199.00 in today's market using an average PSA 8 Price of $28,801.00 (VCP average).

This card has an old record / image of being purchased in a Legendary Auction as a PSA 8 (Cert # 08160100) on March 17, 2001 for $16,812.00 with auction description that included:
“The lower left corner has the slightest hint of wear. The card is centered 45/55 top to bottom and 60/40 left to right.”

This card has a record / image of being purchased in a Legendary Auction as a PSA 8 (Cert # 11178363) on March 5, 2010 for $17,775.00.

*** Between PSA Cert # 11178363 Legendary sale in 2010 and SGC Cert # 3945527 sale in 2019 the card was trimmed on left and bottom edges ***

Same card was sold by Heritage Auctions as a SGC 9 (Cert # 3845527) on April 18, 2019 for $84,000.00.

Heritage link: https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1.../50012-51451.s

On Heritage Auctions site (HA.com) there is a “Make offer to Owner” buttom presently visible (as of October 27th 12PM ET) and below it states “This item's Owner is proactively entertaining Offers.”

Red circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red boxes identify trimmed left and bottom edges.

PSA 8 (Cert # 11178363) image from VCP* of March 2010 Legendary sale:

SGC 9 (Cert # 3845527) image from HA.com on April 18, 2019:



PSA 8 (Cert # 11178363) back image from Card Target of March 2010 Legendary sale:

SGC 9 (Cert # 3845527) back image from HA.com of April 18, 2019 sale:

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1.../50012-51451.s

" This item's owner is actively responding to (though not necessarily routinely accepting) offers. Most owners in this category are still actively buying, and therefore interested only in offers where they can net (after our 10% fee) an amount sufficiently above today's market value. Owners in this category seldom counter-offer, and will usually simply reject offers placed at current auction values or lower.
Offers to date:
$165,000 on March 3, 2021
$140,000 on March 1, 2021
$115,000 on February 28, 2021"

[DragonWagon]

Adding them to the list of over 3,600 serial # cards that have been altered, fake, or mislabeled. https://www.tiffanycards.com/buyer-beware


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[pip]

Originally Posted by DragonWagon

Adding them to the list of over 3,600 serial # cards that have been altered, fake, or mislabeled. https://www.tiffanycards.com/buyer-beware


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Fantastic resource. Keep up the good work. It is projects like this one, fueled by BODA research, that will eventually change the corrupt hobby culture.