Spectra FOTL 6/24

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

I still think it’s overpriced garbage and one of the worst value breaks available. Now pass me my shovel.

Yeah this sure is one of the worst value breaks available. You're right as always. Just like you said at least 50% of the RPA's /39 would be selling for under $50. You're Nostradamus.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

Yeah this sure is one of the worst value breaks available. You're right as always. Just like you said at least 50% of the RPA's /39 would be selling for under $50. You're Nostradamus.

I’m pretty sure my percentage was higher than that....

[jnmcards]

I will be lucky to recoup $500 from the four boxes that I opened. That said, I still wouldn’t call it a bad value break type product. Just very boom or bust and not much in between.

[mossoholic]

Unfortunately, it seems like the going rate for ROI on 2019-20 products you don't get at MSRP is very low. There are countless $4k NT boxes that are returning way less than $500 a box.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

Unfortunately, it seems like the going rate for ROI on 2019-20 products you don't get at MSRP is very low. There are countless $4k NT boxes that are returning way less than $500 a box.

Yes. Which is why all 2019 wax at secondary prices is a terrible idea.

[jnmcards]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

Unfortunately, it seems like the going rate for ROI on 2019-20 products you don't get at MSRP is very low. There are countless $4k NT boxes that are returning way less than $500 a box.

Oh, I’m talking $500 total. I’d be jumping for joy if I was close to $500 a box, lol.

[Spacemanspif]

Originally Posted by jnmcards

Oh, I’m talking $500 total. I’d be jumping for joy if I was close to $500 a box, lol.

I’m still recommending getting what you can before the market floods. Best thing you guys have going for you is a 5 day head start on Hobby boxes. If you can go get an SGA spectra RPA for under 100 and a /49 for under $200 right now, there’s no reason anybody not named Ja or Zion (maybe Coby?) will be able to sell for that in a month

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by jnmcards

Oh, I’m talking $500 total. I’d be jumping for joy if I was close to $500 a box, lol.

You'd be jumping for joy if you paid $4k for a box and pulled $500 worth of cards? There are actually probably boxes of it with less than $200. Either way I'm sorry you lost out man it sucks. I was seriously considering opening these but prices keep going up.

Last time I opened FOTL was a God awful decision. In one night I opened 13 boxes of 2018-19 Prizm Basketball FOTL and 6 boxes of 2018 Immaculate Football FOTL. I maybe pulled $2.5-2.75k worth of cards. Which was a huge lose on resale of boxes at that time. At this time I think those boxes are worth give or take $20k-$22k. I hope I can keep my stuff sealed or at the very least only open retail I get at MSRP.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

I’m still recommending getting what you can before the market floods. Best thing you guys have going for you is a 5 day head start on Hobby boxes. If you can go get an SGA spectra RPA for under 100 and a /49 for under $200 right now, there’s no reason anybody not named Ja or Zion (maybe Coby?) will be able to sell for that in a month

Look at Zion prices compared to Luka on Spectra. I don't know how much prices will fluctuate so he can do what he thinks is best. But how you guys can compare 2018-19 to 2019-20 I have no idea. This is the best Spectra has ever looked. Last year looked like poop, mostly all RJA, horizontal, smaller patch window, etc.

[ninjacookies]

Whatever the case may be, GB's don't seem to have any problem filling spots for this stuff. Seeing plenty of youtube results coming in waves of 2 box PYT's. A small breaker

[ninjacookies]

What's interesting to me is that Bazley has RJA redemptions in this, even though 98 percent of his stuff I've seen is live. Perhaps he ran out of ink early after double signing everything.

If he ends up becoming MJ 2.0...we might finna have some problems.

[Spacemanspif]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

Look at Zion prices compared to Luka on Spectra. I don't know how much prices will fluctuate so he can do what he thinks is best. But how you guys can compare 2018-19 to 2019-20 I have no idea. This is the best Spectra has ever looked. Last year looked like poop, mostly all RJA, horizontal, smaller patch window, etc.

This is going to be the last time I respond to you because you don't actually listen. Look, we get that the cards look nice. I ACTUALLY LIKE SPECTRA. I'm just saying that the pricing is off, and will correct itself. I've given comparisons against other 2019 products, which you gladly ignored. We now know how much you have invested here which is why you're soooo desperately trying to pump this as hard as you can. It's actually kind of sad that you're trying this hard to make what, a couple hundred extra bucks?

At some point, it doesn't matter if Zion is making duck lips or hugging a damn ball, it's still Zion and he's going to go for more than a Superfractor rainbow fart Goga limited to 10. Euphoria dissipates, as it always does, and people will say, oh crap why am I spending $200 on Nassir Little when I could have SGA or Donovan Mitchell instead? Or why Spectra and not BOTH Noir & Impeccable? Being first to market is a HUGE advantage, and if you're sitting on anything right now defiantly hoping it will keep going up, I think you're squandering opportunity.

FYI it's not personal. We went through this with NT FOTL too. Which coincidentally, the last NT FOTL sold 9 days ago. Ninja and I are some of the last members of the "HODLing Optic Premium sets" club and those haven't budged (although that set made an easy 100% right after release). Box prices are too high for end-users (rippers), we're fast approaching a stalemate across most products.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Whatever the case may be, GB's don't seem to have any problem filling spots for this stuff. Seeing plenty of youtube results coming in waves of 2 box PYT's. A small breaker

I think a big reason is because of how high NT and any other RPA pro uniform products are and will be. All the people priced out of NT are looking for something to buy. Spectra comes out around the same time and looks this great why not Spectra? This is an amazing looking product with tons of chase cards, great looking RPAs, and the cost compared to the other RPA heavy products is low. Would you rather have Impeccable/Noir FOTL for around the same price or more? Or you could get Spectra FOTL with possibly 4 RPA's and an average of 10 per 4 box case and so many of the other 12 cards in Spectra are selling high too.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

This is going to be the last time I respond to you because you don't actually listen. Look, we get that the cards look nice. I ACTUALLY LIKE SPECTRA. I'm just saying that the pricing is off, and will correct itself. I've given comparisons against other 2019 products, which you gladly ignored. We now know how much you have invested here which is why you're soooo desperately trying to pump this as hard as you can. It's actually kind of sad that you're trying this hard to make what, a couple hundred extra bucks?

At some point, it doesn't matter if Zion is making duck lips or hugging a damn ball, it's still Zion and he's going to go for more than a Superfractor rainbow fart Goga limited to 10. Euphoria dissipates, as it always does, and people will say, oh crap why am I spending $200 on Nassir Little when I could have SGA or Donovan Mitchell instead? Or why Spectra and not BOTH Noir & Impeccable? Being first to market is a HUGE advantage, and if you're sitting on anything right now defiantly hoping it will keep going up, I think you're squandering opportunity.

FYI it's not personal. We went through this with NT FOTL too. Which coincidentally, the last NT FOTL sold 9 days ago. Ninja and I are some of the last members of the "HODLing Optic Premium sets" club and those haven't budged (although that set made an easy 100% right after release). Box prices are too high for end-users (rippers), we're fast approaching a stalemate across most products.

Once again this product, just like Mosaic, is different from past years. To me I have next to nothing invested in these. I wanted 3 times what I have invested. Unless prices somehow go to around $1800 I won't be selling these until next year anyway. I'm very mad about the limited number I got.

You don't have to get pissy because you were 100% wrong on this product so far. If prices go way down you can gloat later. Right now you're in the same crowd as your buddy who was saying over 50% of the RPA's /39 would sell for under $50. I think exactly 2 total RPA cards /39 have and one was a redemption for arguably the worst rookie. Guess what? No one is going to be right on everything.

Usually when someone says it's not personal it is.

[Stats]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

I have 9 but am probably just as miserable as the people with 0. I've said since March when I saw the previews and /39 RPA or /3 exclusive I thought this would be a huge sleeper product. I wanted at least $20k in this product. As usual I blew it. Should I just started maxing out every card once it hit $900. The more it goes up the more I live in regret and am even more miserable.

From the past posts of yours that I have seen, it seems like you are upset when you do well because you didn't do better, but also upset when you miss out and didn't get a product at your desired price.

I honestly feel bad for you because I can feel the desperation to make money in your posts in all these threads and truly wonder if you actually can ever just be happy.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

I think a big reason is because of how high NT and any other RPA pro uniform products are and will be. All the people priced out of NT are looking for something to buy. Spectra comes out around the same time and looks this great why not Spectra? This is an amazing looking product with tons of chase cards, great looking RPAs, and the cost compared to the other RPA heavy products is low. Would you rather have Impeccable/Noir FOTL for around the same price or more? Or you could get Spectra FOTL with possibly 4 RPA's and an average of 10 per 4 box case and so many of the other 12 cards in Spectra are selling high too.

I do think the exorbitant price of NT + current prices of previous comparable 19-20 releases + the temporary lull in the market all factor in. I'm sure Chronicles will take up a bit of the market share when it's released...but to me they aren't the same segment at all. It's like comparing Noir to Prizm. Chronicles is targeted for the abundance of rookie paper bass and parallels.

I'd probably be sure to sell before Immac comes out, though.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by Stats

From the past posts of yours that I have seen, it seems like you are upset when you do well because you didn't do better, but also upset when you miss out and didn't get a product at your desired price.

I honestly feel bad for you because I can feel the desperation to make money in your posts in all these threads and truly wonder if you actually can ever just be happy.

I can honestly say I have never, on reselling a sealed wax product, been pleased with the amount of the product I got and the amount of money I sold it for. Money just makes me really miserable. But unfortunately mostly everyone needs it. I'd be happy to just have a small house with things I consider essential and my entertainment center set up the way I like it. Unfortunately because of my mistakes and that I have a pre existing health condition I no longer have insurance for this will probably never happen. I know what I have is much more than many get in life that have to live paycheck to paycheck, in the lower class, or homeless. I guess probably the only good thing about poverty or living paycheck to paycheck is you don't have to worry about blown opportunities because you have no extra money to lose. I try not to but I think about my blown opportunities and terrible money mistakes daily. Thanks for the sympathy if you mean it. I appreciate it.

[Durantula]

I’ve seen two boxes with two Zion RPAs /39 so far. Crazy!!!
Also some boxes included two Morant Autos plus a Silver Prizm.
Some boxes are truly loaded!!!

[Stats]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

I can honestly say I have never, on reselling a sealed wax product, been pleased with the amount of the product I got and the amount of money I sold it for. Money just makes me really miserable. But unfortunately mostly everyone needs it. I'd be happy to just have a small house with things I consider essential and my entertainment center set up the way I like it. Unfortunately because of my mistakes and that I have a pre existing health condition I no longer have insurance for this will probably never happen. I know what I have is much more than many get in life that have to live paycheck to paycheck, in the lower class, or homeless. I guess probably the only good thing about poverty or living paycheck to paycheck is you don't have to worry about blown opportunities because you have no extra money to lose. I try not to but I think about my blown opportunities and terrible money mistakes daily. Thanks for the sympathy if you mean it. I appreciate it.

I did mean it. You seem like you have a sharp mind, but, the obsession with gains and losses can really eat away at what you are trying to accomplish.

I think this board is full of people who have made the same mistakes you have by ripping and getting burned, not buying when they should have, selling way too soon, etc., but the key difference is to remind yourself chalk it up to a lesson learned, with the realization that there will be more opportunities in the future and in many cases of regret, you are still making money that you didn't have before with minimal effort and very limited risk.

We also have to keep some focus on the "hobby entertainment cost" in all of this. We have a unique opportunity with understanding this whole sports card thing and we should be grateful that knowledge is allowing for all of these opportunities in wax and singles right now. I just ripped a whole bunch of Select Hybrid because it seems like a forgotten product, I have a bunch of it, and it was a lot of fun. I may look back and see the sealed product goes up at some point, but I had fun ripping and took a chance to pull some good stuff, and have done well on many other things. I will focus on how I hit a few nice cards with potential, have grading opportunities, and a bunch of new stuff to send to comc!

Don't look back too hard - I have to remind myself the same because it just makes me find all of the little regrets and even though I can keep the lesson I learned, if I let the loss bother me, it can then affect me in the future. There is nothing you can do about that past decision, only your next one.

[ninjacookies]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyhDbLvaKfw&t=10m2s

Roger that, pops. I'mma take you up on that.




We gon' see if you really bout that life.

[messier2]

Thoughts on this sale price: https://www.ebay.com/itm/2019-20-Pan...53.m1438.l2649

Seems a tad low to me...I was thinking at least $800...especially being the first one listed.

Or, is this a sign that Spectra base is just not as desirable as others Panini brands with a similar print run?

[Asian62150]

Bounty $1200

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyhDbLvaKfw&t=10m2s

Roger that, pops. I'mma take you up on that.




We gon' see if you really bout that life.

Dude almost convinced me to buy some boxes. Almost.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by messier2

Or, is this a sign that Spectra base is just not as desirable as others Panini brands with a similar print run?

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Dude almost convinced me to buy some boxes. Almost.

No cap.

And homegirl almost had me thinkin' RJ was a snack.

The FOTL placebo is real.