Official Hot Stove off-season Thread

[eye4talent]

It can’t be… The Houston front office discussed the prospective Hader signing with Pressly??



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[whitmm]

Eye, that doesn't mean they got the okay from him. That's them meeting with Pressley to tell them what they planned on doing. They weren't going to not try and sign Hader if he would have had a problem with it. Pressly isn't the one making roster decisions. So quit acting like they went to him to get his blessing on it.

All those meetings were to find out if they needed to start looking at finding a trade partner.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Eye, that doesn't mean they got the okay from him. That's them meeting with Pressley to tell them what they planned on doing. They weren't going to not try and sign Hader if he would have had a problem with it. Pressly isn't the one making roster decisions. So quit acting like they went to him to get his blessing on it.

All those meetings were to find out if they needed to start looking at finding a trade partner.

Nobody said they needed his permission, or even asked for it. Just stop.

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Eye, that doesn't mean they got the okay from him. That's them meeting with Pressley to tell them what they planned on doing. They weren't going to not try and sign Hader if he would have had a problem with it. Pressly isn't the one making roster decisions. So quit acting like they went to him to get his blessing on it.

All those meetings were to find out if they needed to start looking at finding a trade partner.

Come on, dude. Nobody said they were seeking Pressly’s permission. Talking to him, the reasons for which have been exhaustively explained here, is not the same as asking his permission.


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[whitmm]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

Come on, dude. Nobody said they were seeking Pressly’s permission. Talking to him, the reasons for which have been exhaustively explained here, is not the same as asking his permission.


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They talked to him to tell him he's being demoted. That literally happens in any profession.

You are the only one trying to make those conversations into a big deal.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by whitmm

They talked to him to tell him he's being demoted. That literally happens in any profession.



You are the only one trying to make those conversations into a big deal.

I guarantee that's not how the conversation went, and I'm pretty sure you don't think so either. You're just being obtuse. They absolutely went to him respectfully and valued his view and tried to have the conversation about bringing in Hader in a way that kept him happy. If you think the proper way was to coldly tell him he's being demoted and his opinion doesn't matter, you would be a terrible manager of people.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

I guarantee that's not how the conversation went, and I'm pretty sure you don't think so either. You're just being obtuse. They absolutely went to him respectfully and valued his view and tried to have the conversation about bringing in Hader in a way that kept him happy. If you think the proper way was to coldly tell him he's being demoted and his opinion doesn't matter, you would be a terrible manager of people.

The general manager's job to to field the best team. That means you go after guys that improve your team, whether you have that spot filled or not.

Again, refused to answer the question. What do you do if Pressly says he's not cool with it? Harder is better than him. Do you really think they were going to pass on Hader if Pressly had an issue with it? Who cares how the discussion went, if they wanted Hader, they were going after Hader.

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by whitmm

The general manager's job to to field the best team. That means you go after guys that improve your team, whether you have that spot filled or not.

Again, refused to answer the question. What do you do if Pressly says he's not cool with it? Harder is better than him. Do you really think they were going to pass on Hader if Pressly had an issue with it? Who cares how the discussion went, if they wanted Hader, they were going after Hader.

Nobody is refusing to answer your question. The answer is very clearly stated in multiple posts. Feel free to re-read the past day of posts, since you seem particularly selective in which parts of those posts you paid attention to the first time through.

It goes back to the original pondering: That they presumably spoke with Pressly, which reporting by MLB Trade Rumors confirmed.

As my Ohio lawyer friend indicated, this is about managing people—which is a crucial component of assembling the best team possible. You don’t just want to assemble talented players. You want talented players who meld together, who feel wanted and respected, and who want to be part of the organization.


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[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

Nobody is refusing to answer your question. The answer is very clearly stated in multiple posts. Feel free to re-read the past day of posts, since you seem particularly selective in which parts of those posts you paid attention to the first time through.

It goes back to the original pondering: That they presumably spoke with Pressly, which reporting by MLB Trade Rumors confirmed.

As my Ohio lawyer friend indicated, this is about managing people—which is a crucial component of assembling the best team possible. You don’t just want to assemble talented players. You want talented players who meld together, who feel wanted and respected, and who want to be part of the organization.


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This is 100% the case in any sport.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

Nobody is refusing to answer your question. The answer is very clearly stated in multiple posts. Feel free to re-read the past day of posts, since you seem particularly selective in which parts of those posts you paid attention to the first time through.

It goes back to the original pondering: That they presumably spoke with Pressly, which reporting by MLB Trade Rumors confirmed.

As my Ohio lawyer friend indicated, this is about managing people—which is a crucial component of assembling the best team possible. You don’t just want to assemble talented players. You want talented players who meld together, who feel wanted and respected, and who want to be part of the organization.


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Again, you think they wanted to make sure Pressly was okay with bringing in Hader to take his job. So, does it really matter what he thinks? Pressly's options are accept the demotion or be traded. It's a business, everybody knows it. There's never been any clubhouse issues with Hader. Those guys know it's a business and you move on from players.

So, again, I ask you, do you really think Pressly's thought had any bearing on whether or not they signed Hader? Because you are so concerned about them running it by him first

[Bcwcardz]

I heard Pressly got up and just left the autograph session at Fanfest today. Could be nothing or could be pissy about Hader signing. Coincidence?


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[whitmm]

Originally Posted by Bcwcardz

I heard Pressly got up and just left the autograph session at Fanfest today. Could be nothing or could be pissy about Hader signing. Coincidence?


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Apparently you are wrong. According to Eye and the fake lawyer, the Astros went to him and got his blessing to sign Hader. Because apparently Pressly has final say on the roster and the moves the team makes

[vinson24]

Originally Posted by Bcwcardz

I heard Pressly got up and just left the autograph session at Fanfest today. Could be nothing or could be pissy about Hader signing. Coincidence?


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Yeah that didn’t happen


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[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Apparently you are wrong. According to Eye and the fake lawyer, the Astros went to him and got his blessing to sign Hader. Because apparently Pressly has final say on the roster and the moves the team makes

It's sad to see what has happened to the American education system. They used to actually teach reading comprehension.

[ScooterD]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Apparently you are wrong. According to Eye and the fake lawyer, the Astros went to him and got his blessing to sign Hader. Because apparently Pressly has final say on the roster and the moves the team makes

The lawyer isn’t fake - this isn’t Suits. Show a little respect for a fellow collector - even is disagreement.

Also - Eye is rarely wrong, and he isn’t here. Sharing information with a player doesn’t equate to asking for the player’s consent. Don’t impute such intentions or any comment regarding such an exchange to do so. They’ve been very clear.

A breath and a step back - stop fighting with everyone and demanding explanations for your misinterpretations of what actually happened here. Everything is fine - just enjoy the hobby.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

It's sad to see what has happened to the American education system. They used to actually teach reading comprehension.

Awesome. They talked to Pressly to let him know they were after Hader. That conversation didn't change a damn thing in terms of the Hader deal.

Quit acting like Houston is some class act organization and is the only team that's done this. You two want to make it out like it was such a big deal that they talked to Pressly. And it really wasn't.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by ScooterD

The lawyer isn’t fake - this isn’t Suits. Show a little respect for a fellow collector - even is disagreement.

Also - Eye is rarely wrong, and he isn’t here. Sharing information with a player doesn’t equate to asking for the player’s consent. Don’t impute such intentions or any comment regarding such an exchange to do so. They’ve been very clear.

A breath and a step back - stop fighting with everyone and demanding explanations for your misinterpretations of what actually happened here. Everything is fine - just enjoy the hobby.

Nah, I lost all respect for Ohio a long time ago.

The conversation with Pressly wasn't going to change the team's plans in going after Hader in any way. All the conversation equated to was a "you can be on board with it or we can move you."

Sharing information with a player, especially information about their role on the team is an extremely common occurrence.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Awesome. They talked to Pressly to let him know they were after Hader. That conversation didn't change a damn thing in terms of the Hader deal.



Quit acting like Houston is some class act organization and is the only team that's done this. You two want to make it out like it was such a big deal that they talked to Pressly. And it really wasn't.

The only one acting like anything is you. Eye said what he said. He didn't act like anything, just made a simple statement. You misinterpreted it, overstated it, and argued vehemently against your misinterpretation of it. It's what you do. I would expect nothing else from you. The fact that you don't respect me is reassuring that I must do something right.

[NHRonin]

Red Sox ownership has consistently lied to the fan base and I wish people would stop showing up for games. Their claim of “going full throttle” was as nothing more than a lie to suck in the rubes. They have no interest in winning unless by some miracles, they can do it with hoke grown talent. I’m tired of Ownership acting like they are a cash strapped small market team.

Unfortunately, the tourists will keep buying tickets so they can pay $15 for a beer and sing “Sweet Caroline.”

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

The only one acting like anything is you. Eye said what he said. He didn't act like anything, just made a simple statement. You misinterpreted it, overstated it, and argued vehemently against your misinterpretation of it. It's what you do. I would expect nothing else from you. The fact that you don't respect me is reassuring that I must do something right.

It was a statement that didn't need to be made, because the conversation is a common conversation.

Of course they talked to Pressly about his demotion. Gosh, so respectful. Greatest front office ever.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by NHRonin

Red Sox ownership has consistently lied to the fan base and I wish people would stop showing up for games. Their claim of “going full throttle” was as nothing more than a lie to suck in the rubes. They have no interest in winning unless by some miracles, they can do it with hoke grown talent. I’m tired of Ownership acting like they are a cash strapped small market team.



Unfortunately, the tourists will keep buying tickets so they can pay $15 for a beer and sing “Sweet Caroline.”

That story signing was brutal. They haven't really seemed to be on any big fa recently. They don't have a new stadium and the debt associated with it so what gives? Nesn prints money too.

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[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by whitmm

It was a statement that didn't need to be made, because the conversation is a common conversation.

Of course they talked to Pressly about his demotion. Gosh, so respectful. Greatest front office ever.

Ha!!!!! You’re amazing. Everyone involved in this discussion knows exactly what you said and your antagonist intent. You’re just digging in deeper with this weak revisionist effort.

By the way, my original question was whether Pressly would slip into the setup role or be traded. JRX speculated that the front office at least spoke with him, I concurred, and then you jumped in with your faux tough-guy mentality toward roster construction. And here we are, some of us feeling like the principal after Billy Madison’s speech about a puppy and the Industrial Revolution.

Anyway, I’m checking out of this.


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[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by NHRonin

Red Sox ownership has consistently lied to the fan base and I wish people would stop showing up for games. Their claim of “going full throttle” was as nothing more than a lie to suck in the rubes. They have no interest in winning unless by some miracles, they can do it with hoke grown talent. I’m tired of Ownership acting like they are a cash strapped small market team.

Unfortunately, the tourists will keep buying tickets so they can pay $15 for a beer and sing “Sweet Caroline.”

I would be okay if that tradition went away.

[larry25]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

I would be okay if that tradition went away.

Agree 1,000%. That song is entirely ruined for me.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

Ha!!!!! You’re amazing. Everyone involved in this discussion knows exactly what you said and your antagonist intent. You’re just digging in deeper with this weak revisionist effort.

By the way, my original question was whether Pressly would slip into the setup role or be traded. JRX speculated that the front office at least spoke with him, I concurred, and then you jumped in with your faux tough-guy mentality toward roster construction. And here we are, some of us feeling like the principal after Billy Madison’s speech about a puppy and the Industrial Revolution.

Anyway, I’m checking out of this.


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Houston spoke to Pressly to let him know that were going after a guy and if they sign said guy that Pressly will be demoted.

Greatest franchise ever. No other team would ever do such a thing. Unprecedented, I hope more teams strive to do this.