Antonio Brown - Page 33

JeremyNick · 01-17-2020, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Siberian13

No telling when his brain was damaged though. His actions can be caused by brain trauma over time right? None of us really know for sure. I mean he’s showing a lot of symptoms. The problem is they can’t diagnose it in a living person yet.

First off you’re under the assumption that his brain is damaged with no actual proof. Secondly you are using that to call his actions symptoms. The real problem is your premise is false.

Mike Webster was a normal guy for most of his life and playing career. It wasn’t until after his retirement that he became depressive, manic, started having delusions and ultimately psychosis. Even in that he still had periods of lucidity where he knew something wasn’t right and he wasn’t himself.

Antonio Brown has been this way his entire life. Very big swings low to high. Quick temper. Very quick to blame everyone else. Lack of self awareness. Read the ESPN article. His brother described teenage AB jmacting the same as he is now. There is no marked behavior change. Tomlin did a great job of keeping it quiet and manages, but it’s no different today than it was in 2010.

So your whole premise is faulty and for someone to compare him to Webster is illogical.

Chicosbailbonds · 01-17-2020, 07:10 AM

I don't remember him like this at Central Michigan, not saying that the other isn't correct Jeremy.

I do think he has some CTE issues, stemming from the Vontez Burdick cheap shot in the playoff game a few years ago.

JeremyNick · 01-17-2020, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Chicosbailbonds

I don't remember him like this at Central Michigan, not saying that the other isn't correct Jeremy.

I do think he has some CTE issues, stemming from the Vontez Burdick cheap shot in the playoff game a few years ago.

Again. I’ll take first hand accounts of who AB is over, “He has CTE cuz Burfict concussed him”. His behavior has been consistent for as long as people have known him.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.esp...3fplatform=amp

Fenway55 · 01-17-2020, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Again. I’ll take first hand accounts of who AB is over, “He has CTE cuz Burfict concussed him”. His behavior has been consistent for as long as people have known him.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.esp...3fplatform=amp

1) That's not exactly what that article says
2) While none of us know Antonio Brown, it cannot be denied that his public persona has shifted over the past year or so. He was never a saint, but it was never this bad, this public, this often.

mortatort · 01-17-2020, 04:42 PM

If Aaron Hernandez was 23 when he last played football and had the worst case of CTE to date then it's quite plausible that AB could have it at age 31. And it seems to me the sort of condition that can exacerbate personality 'flaws', for lack of a better word, which would make every single case vary wildly in terms of behavior.

I'm not trying to claim anything one way or another, just pointing out that it's not an unreasonable possibility.

JeremyNick · 01-17-2020, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Fenway55

1) That's not exactly what that article says
2) While none of us know Antonio Brown, it cannot be denied that his public persona has shifted over the past year or so. He was never a saint, but it was never this bad, this public, this often.

Yes it paints the picture of AB as being this consistently goofy long before Burfict hit him.
This guy was incredibly talented and came from the hot bed of recruiting for Florida and SEC schools and was such a nutcase that he he ended up at Central Michigan.
So in the same breath you admit you know nothing about AB but you knew that the AB you now see in the public is different. That makes zero sense. It’s been well known for most of his career in Pittsburgh that this is who he is. But you and the rest of the goons bought the national media’s story that it was all Tomlins fault and Bens fault and they were bad teammates and poor AB. His persona hasn’t changed. This is who he always was, just because you were ignorant to it, doesn’t mean it’s changed.

Now go back to lobbying for him to get back on the field with Tom.

Fenway55 · 01-17-2020, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JeremyNick

So in the same breath you admit you know nothing about AB but you knew that the AB you now see in the public is different. That makes zero sense.

Just because you can't understand it does not mean it makes zero sense.

I do not know what Antonio Brown is like in private, but his public persona has changed. He was never a saint, but it was never this bad, this public, this often. Sorry not sorry, but that is an undeniable fact. Even his agent is dropping him. If you let me know what part of that statement is so confusing to you, I'll be glad to help you out.

JeremyNick · 01-17-2020, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Fenway55

Just because you aren't smart enough to understand it does not mean it makes zero sense.

I do not know what Antonio Brown is like in private, but his public persona has changed. He was never a saint, but it was never this bad, this public, this often. Even his agent is dropping him. If you let me know what part of that statement is so confusing to you, I'll be glad to help you out.

You knew nothing about Brown, period. But you are so sure his persona is different now. That’s the nonsense.

Yes he was this bad in public. He regularly skipped charity events, he had a radio show that he was late for or didn’t show up at all, he snapped on teammates and staff regularly. He skipped out on paying people. This was all well known. But again you bought hook, line and sinker into the national media’s narrative that he was the victim. No one around the team, the writers, fans were shocked.

But you know, you’re an all-knowing Pats fan, so you know everything about the the rest of the league.....

mortatort · 01-17-2020, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Fenway55

it was never this bad, this public, this often.

On the other side of that he was also able to get his attention fix by playing football. Now that he doesn't have that, well bad attention is better than no attention they say.

It's still baffling how he could screw up opportunities with like 4 teams in a single year (especially the golden one with the Pats) after being so successful until recently. That fact alone proves an acceleration in bad behavior, regardless of the root cause of it.

JeremyNick · 01-17-2020, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mortatort

On the other side of that he was also able to get his attention fix by playing football. Now that he doesn't have that, well bad attention is better than no attention they say.

It's still baffling how he could screw up opportunities with like 4 teams in a single year (especially the golden one with the Pats) after being so successful until recently. That fact alone proves an acceleration in bad behavior, regardless of the root cause of it.

It’s the amount of negative attention he’s receiving. He has always reacted this way to negative attention, but praise him and he was all smiles. Now it’s just all negative. Nothing else about him has changed.

Fenway55 · 01-17-2020, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JeremyNick

You knew nothing about Brown, period. But you are so sure his persona is different now. That’s the nonsense.

The fact that, for the second time, you have drastically misrepresented what I said only proves you have a weak thesis.

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Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Yes he was this bad in public. He regularly skipped charity events, he had a radio show that he was late for or didn’t show up at all, he snapped on teammates and staff regularly. He skipped out on paying people. This was all well known. But again you bought hook, line and sinker into the national media’s narrative that he was the victim. No one around the team, the writers, fans were shocked.

But you know, you’re an all-knowing Pats fan, so you know everything about the the rest of the league.....

I know a helluva lot more than you do, that's for sure.

Fenway55 · 01-17-2020, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mortatort

On the other side of that he was also able to get his attention fix by playing football. Now that he doesn't have that, well bad attention is better than no attention they say.

Agreed. And perhaps add in a dose of the fact that idle hands are the devil's workshop.

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Originally Posted by mortatort

It's still baffling how he could screw up opportunities with like 4 teams in a single year (especially the golden one with the Pats) after being so successful until recently. That fact alone proves an acceleration in bad behavior, regardless of the root cause of it.

100% true.

JeremyNick · 01-17-2020, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Fenway55

The fact that, for the second time, you have drastically misrepresented what I said only proves you have a weak thesis.

I know a helluva lot more than you do, that's for sure.

And you wanted him on the Pats.
Shows how much you knew.

And I’ll just ignore the fact that you response was “I know more than you” in the face of facts that you are patently wrong.

AB and Fenway. The Delusion Bros.

mortatort · 01-17-2020, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JeremyNick

And you wanted him on the Pats.
Shows how much you knew.

lol so did Belichick so I guess he's ignorant of football too

mortatort · 01-17-2020, 06:57 PM

Sorry.. tht was just too easy

JeremyNick · 01-17-2020, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mortatort

lol so did Belichick so I guess he's ignorant of football too

No but he was ignorant of who AB was. Or just arrogant enough to think he could change him..

mortatort · 01-17-2020, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JeremyNick

No but he was ignorant of who AB was. Or just arrogant enough to think he could change him..

lol

Belichick...

Ignorant of a player they’re inviting into a multi billion dollar organization...

But you had all the dirt

That’s rich!

JeremyNick · 01-17-2020, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mortatort

lol

Belichick...

Ignorant of a player they’re inviting into a multi billion dollar organization...

But you had all the dirt

That’s rich!

The proof is in the pudding.
Didn’t last two weeks.
So you’re telling me he signed him knowing he would play one game?

mortatort · 01-17-2020, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JeremyNick

The proof is in the pudding.
Didn’t last two weeks.
So you’re telling me he signed him knowing he would play one game?

I'm absolutely sure he was signed with the organization knowing full well that he might not play at all. Calculated risk with an extremely short leash. Even I knew that and I'm a complete layman that only observes casually.

mortatort · 01-17-2020, 07:49 PM

Here's proof

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lorg-gAkoZs

JeremyNick · 01-17-2020, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mortatort

I'm absolutely sure he was signed with the organization knowing full well that he might not play at all. Calculated risk with an extremely short leash. Even I knew that and I'm a complete layman that only observes casually.

I know nothing but I know the organization fully anticipated him not playing at all....

mortatort · 01-17-2020, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JeremyNick

I know nothing but I know the organization fully anticipated him not playing at all....

Do you seriously think they didn't consider that possibility?

JeremyNick · 01-17-2020, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mortatort

Do you seriously think they didn't consider that possibility?

Considering they gave him a guaranteed contract, no.
But I’m not the one pulling statements out of my rear so...

mortatort · 01-17-2020, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Considering they gave him a guaranteed contract, no.
But I’m not the one pulling statements out of my rear so...

As I understand it, it wasn't guaranteed without stipulations.

Seriously man, it's laughable to think that Belichick and their staff weren't prepared for the worst and willing to take a chance on him anyway. That's basic common sense with any player, especially a high risk one. If you can show otherwise then I'll eat my words, gladly.

mortatort · 01-17-2020, 08:20 PM

In the past month, NFL wide receiver Antonio Brown had a $30 million contract with the Oakland Raiders and then a $15 million contract with the New England Patriots. In the end, he received a total of $158,333.

His contract with the Patriots included $10 million in guaranteed money. But as Sports Illustrated points out, the contract stipulated that if Brown “takes any action that materially undermines the public’s respect for, or is materially critical of, the Club, Player’s teammates or the club’s ownership, coaches, management, operations or policies,” then the contract will be null and void.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/an...him-2019-09-23

01-17-2020, 07:10 AM	#802
Chicosbailbonds Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 1,752	I don't remember him like this at Central Michigan, not saying that the other isn't correct Jeremy. I do think he has some CTE issues, stemming from the Vontez Burdick cheap shot in the playoff game a few years ago.

01-17-2020, 04:42 PM	#805
mortatort Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Floriduh Posts: 6,357 mortatort	If Aaron Hernandez was 23 when he last played football and had the worst case of CTE to date then it's quite plausible that AB could have it at age 31. And it seems to me the sort of condition that can exacerbate personality 'flaws', for lack of a better word, which would make every single case vary wildly in terms of behavior. I'm not trying to claim anything one way or another, just pointing out that it's not an unreasonable possibility.

01-17-2020, 06:57 PM	#815
mortatort Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Floriduh Posts: 6,357 mortatort	Sorry.. tht was just too easy

01-17-2020, 07:49 PM	#820
mortatort Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Floriduh Posts: 6,357 mortatort	Here's proof https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lorg-gAkoZs

01-17-2020, 08:20 PM	#825
mortatort Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Floriduh Posts: 6,357 mortatort	In the past month, NFL wide receiver Antonio Brown had a $30 million contract with the Oakland Raiders and then a $15 million contract with the New England Patriots. In the end, he received a total of $158,333. His contract with the Patriots included $10 million in guaranteed money. But as Sports Illustrated points out, the contract stipulated that if Brown “takes any action that materially undermines the public’s respect for, or is materially critical of, the Club, Player’s teammates or the club’s ownership, coaches, management, operations or policies,” then the contract will be null and void. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/an...him-2019-09-23