2023-24 NBA Season Thread - Page 33

Kobefan · 07-09-2023, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by bkcardcollector

Does anyone care about the in season tourney? quarter and semi teams will have two extra games against harder opponents? Might want to tank? Think there is major adjustments to be made....

I like my suggestion for load management better. Top 3 teams of each conference get playoff byes. 1st place get 1 bye for all 3 series, 2nd place get 1 bye for the 1st and 2nd series, 3rd place get 1 bye for 1st series, no bye for the finals.

GOATcards · 07-09-2023, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Kobefan

I like my suggestion for load management better. Top 3 teams of each conference get playoff byes. 1st place get 1 bye for all 3 series, 2nd place get 1 bye for the 1st and 2nd series, 3rd place get 1 bye for 1st series, no bye for the finals.

too preposterous

hairyangryfella · 07-09-2023, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by drobfan8

Minny losing Tyus will hurt more than Ja being out 25.

Last season was a mess with injuries. Hard to go off that form.

I don't think those things will hurt Minnesota at all...............

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Originally Posted by asujbl

It’s literally the dumbest thing ever invented

Wholeheartedly agree

indyguy · 07-10-2023, 08:59 AM

They were trying to compare the midseason tourney to that of the tourneys they do in soccer, but the problem is those tourneys are mostly pulling from other leagues. The NBA is attempting this with all the same teams. It makes little to no sense.

The WNBA does the Commissioner's Cup tourney during the season. Those games count toward the regular standings and the cup standings.

bjho852 · 07-10-2023, 10:13 AM

^ In European soccer, there are actually domestic cups like what WNBA has now and what NBA is trying to add. The ones that you mentioned are of larger-scale European inter-club competitions, such as UEFA Champions League.
The domestic cup winners in European soccer, however secondary to larger clubs, do grant entries to the European inter-club competitions.

Either way, the problem for NBA to do it is that there are no incentives for teams to win it, unlike the WNBA counterpart which, as you mentioned, count towards regular season records.

indyguy · 07-10-2023, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by bjho852

^ In European soccer, there are actually domestic cups like what WNBA has now and what NBA is trying to add. The ones that you mentioned are of larger-scale European inter-club competitions, such as UEFA Champions League.
The domestic cup winners in European soccer, however secondary to larger clubs, do grant entries to the European inter-club competitions.

Either way, the problem for NBA to do it is that there are no incentives for teams to win it, unlike the WNBA counterpart which, as you mentioned, count towards regular season records.

Right, there just isn't the availability of that. But yeah, I was mainly talking about the larger competitions.

How cool would it be to have games against the top Euro teams in a new "Champions League" style competition?

JRX · 07-10-2023, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by bkcardcollector

Does anyone care about the in season tourney? quarter and semi teams will have two extra games against harder opponents? Might want to tank? Think there is major adjustments to be made....

Maybe in the future, but now no. Any top team would be better off tanking it and rest their stars. Hell so many guys are making 50m the 500k for winning is pocket change. Easier to just have the stars by the bench guys a gift and call it a day.

bkcardcollector · 07-10-2023, 10:25 AM

yeah they count toward reg season games except finals. Not sure how the semis and quarters will be worked in as bonus games?

$500,000 to the winners, maybe that's enough for the second stringers to get pumped up to cheer really loud.

bkcardcollector · 07-10-2023, 10:27 AM

in my opinion it would work out best if you go 4-1 and somehow dont make playoffs.

bkcardcollector · 07-10-2023, 10:29 AM

i feel like a reddit group or these boards could figure out how to do this thing better... they are probably lurking for free ideas.

KhalDrogo · 07-10-2023, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by indyguy

They were trying to compare the midseason tourney to that of the tourneys they do in soccer, but the problem is those tourneys are mostly pulling from other leagues. The NBA is attempting this with all the same teams. It makes little to no sense.

The WNBA does the Commissioner's Cup tourney during the season. Those games count toward the regular standings and the cup standings.

It’s the NBA grasping at straws to bring relevance back to the regular season. It’s a gimmick that most everyone will see past. $500k cash prize to players on the winning team is not enough to encourage effort in an otherwise meaningless game. Depending on the state, that’s $260k to $315k after state and federal taxes. The rookie minimum is going to be close to $1M. The 1 year minimum is over $1.5M. So the idea that the superstars will give it their all to get these end of bench guys some extra money is nonsense.

JRX · 07-10-2023, 10:30 AM

Guys rest during the reg season all the time, they'll rest for these games as well since its about winning the nba title, not whatever this is.

indyguy · 07-10-2023, 10:33 AM

What if they gave the tourney winner an automatic spot in the playoffs?

Get rid of the play-in and the winner then leaves only 7 spots for the rest of their conference.

JRX · 07-10-2023, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by indyguy

What if they gave the tourney winner an automatic spot in the playoffs?

Get rid of the play-in and the winner then leaves only 7 spots for the rest of their conference.

But then what seed to you give them? That works if you're doing a neutral tournament like ncaa, not a series where there's home court imo.

JRX · 07-10-2023, 10:39 AM

How about winning team gets to fire their owner! Then everyone can tank and let the Knicks win lol.

indyguy · 07-10-2023, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by JRX

But then what seed to you give them? That works if you're doing a neutral tournament like ncaa, not a series where there's home court imo.

Give them the seed based on their record.

JRX · 07-10-2023, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by indyguy

Give them the seed based on their record.

But then they would be in the playoffs regardless unless they're the 10th or worse seed that you're making the worst seed in the playoffs + the team loses its lottery position?

indyguy · 07-10-2023, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by JRX

But then they would be in the playoffs regardless unless they're the 10th or worse seed that you're making the worst seed in the playoffs + the team loses its lottery position?

If you have a guaranteed spot, then things like player rest and development come into play for that team.

Since the main example for load management is LeBron, imagine if the Lakers knew they had a guaranteed spot in the playoffs if they won the in season tourney. You don't think they'd be putting their all into those games?

It may make the rest of their season seem like an exercise in player rest, but they then have their spot and would make a first round series quite interesting.

There would be no 10th seed. Get rid of the play-in is what I was saying.

JRX · 07-10-2023, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by indyguy

If you have a guaranteed spot, then things like player rest and development come into play for that team.

Since the main example for load management is LeBron, imagine if the Lakers knew they had a guaranteed spot in the playoffs if they won the in season tourney. You don't think they'd be putting their all into those games?

It may make the rest of their season seem like an exercise in player rest, but they then have their spot and would make a first round series quite interesting.

There would be no 10th seed. Get rid of the play-in is what I was saying.

That's an even worse outcome for the league. Last thing they want is star players resting for months because they locked up a playoff spot.

indyguy · 07-10-2023, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JRX

That's an even worse outcome for the league. Last thing they want is star players resting for months because they locked up a playoff spot.

They are going to get it no matter what. That isn't going to change until they make rules against it.

I think they'd trade a team or teams actually caring about the "tourney" to try and gain some traction instead of making it just another regular game.

daeve · 07-10-2023, 12:30 PM

The supposedly 'real' droppingdimes account is hinting Siakam to Atl still very much in play. Didn't think it'd work but then I remembered Dallas could be roped in to take Capela and send THJr to Toronto. And it works on the trademachine.

Atl gets: Siakam, small contract filler [Wieskamp works]

Tor gets: 1st[s] from Atl, maybe a 2nd or swap from Dal, D Hunter, TH Jr - more flexible+younger defender and good bench shooter

Dal gets: Capela

daeve · 07-10-2023, 03:13 PM

looks like Masai trying to put Hawks and Pacers in a bidding war. May come down to which GM can get a 3rd team involved to add some draft capital, unless Masai really wants one of the Indiana youngsters.

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Yet it is increasingly conceivable that Toronto's Pascal Siakam could be moved before one or both of them given that Siakam trade chatter has begun bubbling at an increased rate.

The Indiana Pacers, league sources say, have emerged as a legitimate trade contender for Siakam.

The Atlanta Hawks, of course, have been pursuing Siakam since last month's draft.

It's believed that there are other suitors whose identities have yet to be confirmed.

After a weekend here, it is difficult not to come away thinking, at the very least, that a trade is the far more likely outcome for Siakam than a contract extension from the Raptors at this juncture.

yiguiri2002 · 07-10-2023, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by daeve

The supposedly 'real' droppingdimes account is hinting Siakam to Atl still very much in play. Didn't think it'd work but then I remembered Dallas could be roped in to take Capela and send THJr to Toronto. And it works on the trademachine.

Atl gets: Siakam, small contract filler [Wieskamp works]

Tor gets: 1st[s] from Atl, maybe a 2nd or swap from Dal, D Hunter, TH Jr - more flexible+younger defender and good bench shooter

Dal gets: Capela

Isn't this an incredible deal for Dallas? Getting Capela for a 2nd and THJ sounds almost like a pipe dream. They have to include multiple pick swaps to the Raptors, right?

pingbling23 · 07-10-2023, 05:39 PM

Had to do a double take, capela is approximately 2 years younger then thj. For some reason in my head I felt like capela was 5 years older.

daeve · 07-10-2023, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

Isn't this an incredible deal for Dallas? Getting Capela for a 2nd and THJ sounds almost like a pipe dream. They have to include multiple pick swaps to the Raptors, right?

I'd guess so, yeah. I don't think as many are calling about Siakam as the Raps want people to think - I'm sure Atl and Indy are. Guessing Masai is wanting Indy to include Mathurin and I highly doubt Indy does that, so Atl's offer may come in as the best if they can find a third team who wants to pay for Capela, and Dallas seems most likely.

07-10-2023, 10:13 AM	#805
bjho852 Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 4,096	^ In European soccer, there are actually domestic cups like what WNBA has now and what NBA is trying to add. The ones that you mentioned are of larger-scale European inter-club competitions, such as UEFA Champions League. The domestic cup winners in European soccer, however secondary to larger clubs, do grant entries to the European inter-club competitions. Either way, the problem for NBA to do it is that there are no incentives for teams to win it, unlike the WNBA counterpart which, as you mentioned, count towards regular season records. __________________ Instagram (IG): bjho852

07-10-2023, 10:25 AM	#808
bkcardcollector Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Raptors Nation Posts: 7,827 bk_card_collector bk_card_collector	yeah they count toward reg season games except finals. Not sure how the semis and quarters will be worked in as bonus games? $500,000 to the winners, maybe that's enough for the second stringers to get pumped up to cheer really loud. __________________ Got Tyler Ennis?

07-10-2023, 10:27 AM	#809
bkcardcollector Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Raptors Nation Posts: 7,827 bk_card_collector bk_card_collector	in my opinion it would work out best if you go 4-1 and somehow dont make playoffs. __________________ Got Tyler Ennis?

07-10-2023, 10:29 AM	#810
bkcardcollector Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Raptors Nation Posts: 7,827 bk_card_collector bk_card_collector	i feel like a reddit group or these boards could figure out how to do this thing better... they are probably lurking for free ideas. __________________ Got Tyler Ennis?

07-10-2023, 08:59 AM	#804
indyguy Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 8,512 arndru indyguyat	They were trying to compare the midseason tourney to that of the tourneys they do in soccer, but the problem is those tourneys are mostly pulling from other leagues. The NBA is attempting this with all the same teams. It makes little to no sense. The WNBA does the Commissioner's Cup tourney during the season. Those games count toward the regular standings and the cup standings.

07-10-2023, 10:30 AM	#812
JRX Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 15,283	Guys rest during the reg season all the time, they'll rest for these games as well since its about winning the nba title, not whatever this is.

07-10-2023, 10:33 AM	#813
indyguy Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 8,512 arndru indyguyat	What if they gave the tourney winner an automatic spot in the playoffs? Get rid of the play-in and the winner then leaves only 7 spots for the rest of their conference.

07-10-2023, 10:39 AM	#815
JRX Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 15,283	How about winning team gets to fire their owner! Then everyone can tank and let the Knicks win lol.

07-10-2023, 12:30 PM	#821
daeve Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: savannah GA Posts: 13,115 accrules	The supposedly 'real' droppingdimes account is hinting Siakam to Atl still very much in play. Didn't think it'd work but then I remembered Dallas could be roped in to take Capela and send THJr to Toronto. And it works on the trademachine. Atl gets: Siakam, small contract filler [Wieskamp works] Tor gets: 1st[s] from Atl, maybe a 2nd or swap from Dal, D Hunter, TH Jr - more flexible+younger defender and good bench shooter Dal gets: Capela

07-10-2023, 05:39 PM	#824
pingbling23 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 15,930 pingbling23	Had to do a double take, capela is approximately 2 years younger then thj. For some reason in my head I felt like capela was 5 years older.