**The Perennial JUAN SOTO Thread!** - Page 341

okumeister · 01-15-2021, 11:43 PM

With non-auto X-Fractor /99 vs. Auto X-Fractor /125, or with any other non-auto vs. auto that is in close serial limitation, which one are people putting more value on? Which one do you personally prefer at the same price?
(another example may be non-auto red /25 vs. auto orange /25)

It looks like the autos have slightly more value / selling slightly higher as it should in normal circumstances, but actually not too far in value with the non-autos in comparable serial numbering?
And I'm assuming this is mostly due to the auto being stickers.

monkeymcgee · 01-15-2021, 11:44 PM

Normally, I’d prefer non-auto but I picked up the auto xfractor since Soto had so few RC autos

wharfrat7624 · 01-15-2021, 11:53 PM

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Holy cow—I paid $5200 for one on Dec 19th

Congrats!

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BigRalph · 01-16-2021, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Bambino22

I buy raw all the time for cards I just want to hold in my PC. Many cards over 200$ for raw. And recently have been shocked at how high quality these cards have been. I just bought a purple heritage Juan that looks perfect under a scope. I think there are a large amount of sellers that do not want to pay the higher PSA fees or wait the long lead times from PSA.

No, not dumb to buy raw at all. If you are buying only to turn a profit that is a different story and requires a different answer of trying to return raw cards.

Er, yes, that’s a good point. I buy raw all the time. Most of my Soto stash is raw, save for a PSA 9 Chrome! I guess my more specific question is: if you’re one who is inclined to buy raw, like I am, is this a bad time? Or is this as good as it’s getting for the foreseeable future?

okumeister · 01-16-2021, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by monkeymcgee

Normally, I’d prefer non-auto but I picked up the auto xfractor since Soto had so few RC autos

Ah that's true, not much RC autos of him.
I also realized that the only RC auto of him that I have is Topps Now.
Great choice on the X-Fractor auto

Snakeonia · 01-16-2021, 01:13 AM

Oh sh!t

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Geoff G · 01-16-2021, 01:18 AM

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Oh sh!t

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REGGIE206 · 01-16-2021, 01:22 AM

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Oh sh!t

BOOM! Congrats!

towerymt · 01-16-2021, 01:32 AM

All aboard the Super Express! Congrats!

HighDesertCC · 01-16-2021, 01:37 AM

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Snakeonia · 01-16-2021, 01:44 AM

Full jumbo results worth noting

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CapeTownCards · 01-16-2021, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRalph

The discrepancy between the Chromes and the Updates is getting crazy! US300 is overlooked and undervalued right now.

Is the "scarcity" of TCU the main driver?

There will be a correction in the US300 pricing for sure. I will always believe HMT55 to outperform US300, but... never underestimate the power of paper.

deemsterz33 · 01-16-2021, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by CapeTownCards

There will be a correction in the US300 pricing for sure. I will always believe HMT55 to outperform US300, but... never underestimate the power of paper.

As a biased Chrome fan I disagree. If we were to see a correction I think it would be HMT55 going up. Look at Mookie Betts 2014 Paper vs. Chrome prices.

oddstuff · 01-16-2021, 02:35 AM

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There will be a correction in the US300 pricing for sure. I will always believe HMT55 to outperform US300, but... never underestimate the power of paper.

There is almost two US300 (15059) for every one HMT55 PSA 10 (8363)...and a lot more unopened update product than update chrome so that ratio won't change much.

Snakeonia · 01-16-2021, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by deemsterz33

As a biased Chrome fan I disagree. If we were to see a correction I think it would be HMT55 going up. Look at Mookie Betts 2014 Paper vs. Chrome prices.

Only thing id say about that is there is approximately 6x as much paper as chrome for mookie. And price is 2x or more

Hmt55 -8300
Us300 - 21,000

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deemsterz33 · 01-16-2021, 02:43 AM

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Only thing id say about that is there is approximately 6x as much paper as chrome for mookie. And price is 2x or more

Hmt55 -8300
Us300 - 21,000

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That's a fair point. The one thing I would counter with is that with the pop being almost 3x less for the HMT55, you'd think the gap in pricing would actually be bigger (and for Mookie as well)?

Snakeonia · 01-16-2021, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by deemsterz33

That's a fair point. The one thing I would counter with is that with the pop being almost 3x less for the HMT55, you'd think the gap in pricing would actually be bigger (and for Mookie as well)?

That 3 times is all graded not necessarily 10s which us300 = hmt x 2. And for the question, Yes and no. Im sure there is some sort of psychological barrier of entry where cards gain too much and people are less willing to pay up. Whether its principal or need funds for other ventures. Like growth slows with a leading 1 digit and people are scared in 600 range and other quirks. And eye appeal plays a big part as well. And first to market true true rookie. Some care some dont. As much as we all like to think they are the same card with different print run they aren’t identical. Different demand and different other cards within the respective packages/product line. They change the value of the box and in turn push up individual prices which feeds back into the box price. Its really fascinating stuff from about every angle.

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deemsterz33 · 01-16-2021, 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Snakeonia

That 3 times is all graded not necessarily 10s which us300 = hmt x 2. And for the question, Yes and no. Im sure there is some sort of psychological barrier of entry where cards gain too much and people are less willing to pay up. Whether its principal or need funds for other ventures. Like growth slows with a leading 1 digit and people are scared in 600 range and other quirks. And eye appeal plays a big part as well. And first to market true true rookie. Some care some dont. As much as we all like to think they are the same card with different print run they aren’t identical. Different demand and different other cards within the respective packages/product line. They change the value of the box and in turn push up individual prices which feeds back into the box price. Its really fascinating stuff from about every angle.

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Well put.

SaltyCracker · 01-16-2021, 06:30 AM

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Full jumbo results worth noting

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I hope you ended up giving that video a thumbs up

Killer box!! Congrats.

monkeymcgee · 01-16-2021, 07:35 AM

What a break—congrats on the haul

Some Guy · 01-16-2021, 07:48 AM

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Oh sh!t

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KhalDrogo · 01-16-2021, 08:10 AM

Too much temptation to open my hobby boxes.

monkeymcgee · 01-16-2021, 08:15 AM

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Too much temptation to open my hobby boxes.

Yeah, definitely not helping the wax that just arrived staying sealed. Be strong!

Some Guy · 01-16-2021, 08:30 AM

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Yeah, definitely not helping the wax that just arrived staying sealed. Be strong!

Resisting the temptation of cracked my sealed 2018 Chronicles Case unbearable

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Some Guy · 01-16-2021, 09:04 AM

Is there anything that’s not in 18 update retail boxes ?

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