Vladimir Guerrero, Jr.

[dream34]

Originally Posted by towerymt

Back around page 195... (~Jan 10, 2020)

I was paying attention. I already had some NNO stashed. I like the refractor a lot and it was cheap, so I chased it for a while.

Much like NNO 10s in late 2019, had I known this one would be at $300+ now, I would have bid higher on some of those auctions.

Well played!

Vlad market back then:





I really do think the Refractors will eventually be multiples of the NNO. As special as the NNO card is, every player's Topps Base is normally harder to grade % wise but the Chrome always outpaces it despite a higher Gem POP and Gem % historically. The Refractors? They are normally multiples of both base.

With PSA's halting on grading today and the foreseeable backlog I would imagine that the current POP gap of 3800 (NNO) & 800 (Refractor) will be what we will see for quite a while.

[shortstopguy12]

Personally, I think you can even take it a step further and say the real value is in the true gem BGS stuff. They are selling significantly less than the PSA 10 versions and I predict that gap will shrink with the BGS higher sub stuff seeing a larger % increase

Originally Posted by dream34

Well played!

Vlad market back then:





I really do think the Refractors will eventually be multiples of the NNO. As special as the NNO card is, every player's Topps Base is normally harder to grade % wise but the Chrome always outpaces it despite a higher Gem POP and Gem % historically. The Refractors? They are normally multiples of both base.

With PSA's halting on grading today and the foreseeable backlog I would imagine that the current POP gap of 3800 (NNO) & 800 (Refractor) will be what we will see for quite a while.

[towerymt]

Originally Posted by shortstopguy12

Personally, I think you can even take it a step further and say the real value is in the true gem BGS stuff. They are selling significantly less than the PSA 10 versions and I predict that gap will shrink with the BGS higher sub stuff seeing a larger % increase

I haven't seen any signs of BGS closing the gap. They don't seem to be a well run company. I don't get the sense that current customers are happy with the service they're receiving, or the lack of information they're receiving about the delays. People don't want to grade with BGS and they don't want to buy BGS graded cards. I don't think the recent issues with BGS caused the price gap, but it's sure not helping now.

If a card could be turned around by PSA in ~2-3 months for $25 like the old days, the ~50% discount on buying a true gem BGS instead of a PSA-10 would be worth it. I just bought a true gem+ eloy sapphire for $225 while PSA-10s are auctioning ~$400. I might crack and sub to PSA and hope it's $800+ in a year+ when I might have it back. With the injury, I have time.

Meanwhile, if you do like taking advantage of the BGS discount, I've got a pair of Vlad #201 refractors on consignment with PC Sportscards, ending in ~3hr tonight . One true gem, one min gem. I think I'll be happy with $150+ on the true gem and maybe $100+ on the min gem? The min gem is literally the same card as some of my PSA-10s that are slightly off center. But it'll sell for 1/3 the price. I don't see the gap closing and I don't want to crack and sub and wait, so they're destined to find a new home.

[shortstopguy12]

Darn, I would have bought both without consignment! I just bought a true gem plus for $176 with a 15% off coupon.. so total is like $170 after tax and shipping. I think that great value with PSA 10’s just over $300.. all depends on subs though

Originally Posted by towerymt

I haven't seen any signs of BGS closing the gap. They don't seem to be a well run company. I don't get the sense that current customers are happy with the service they're receiving, or the lack of information they're receiving about the delays. People don't want to grade with BGS and they don't want to buy BGS graded cards. I don't think the recent issues with BGS caused the price gap, but it's sure not helping now.

If a card could be turned around by PSA in ~2-3 months for $25 like the old days, the ~50% discount on buying a true gem BGS instead of a PSA-10 would be worth it. I just bought a true gem+ eloy sapphire for $225 while PSA-10s are auctioning ~$400. I might crack and sub to PSA and hope it's $800+ in a year+ when I might have it back. With the injury, I have time.

Meanwhile, if you do like taking advantage of the BGS discount, I've got a pair of Vlad #201 refractors on consignment with PC Sportscards, ending in ~3hr tonight . One true gem, one min gem. I think I'll be happy with $150+ on the true gem and maybe $100+ on the min gem? The min gem is literally the same card as some of my PSA-10s that are slightly off center. But it'll sell for 1/3 the price. I don't see the gap closing and I don't want to crack and sub and wait, so they're destined to find a new home.

[mcholke]

Originally Posted by SGC300ier

I find myself interested in stuff I haven't seen a lot of. I was going to grab a 10, but this is just as nice and obviously much cheaper.

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Just catching up on this thread. I have enjoyed trying to locate so of the non-traditional Guerrero cards and have them in the linked showcase in case they provide inspiration to go chase others

https://www.psacard.com/psasetregist...gegallery/5833

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by mcholke

Just catching up on this thread. I have enjoyed trying to locate so of the non-traditional Guerrero cards and have them in the linked showcase in case they provide inspiration to go chase others

https://www.psacard.com/psasetregist...gegallery/5833

Wow man, what a set you've built.

[towerymt]

Originally Posted by towerymt

Meanwhile, if you do like taking advantage of the BGS discount, I've got a pair of Vlad #201 refractors on consignment with PC Sportscards, ending in ~3hr tonight . One true gem, one min gem. I think I'll be happy with $150+ on the true gem and maybe $100+ on the min gem? The min gem is literally the same card as some of my PSA-10s that are slightly off center. But it'll sell for 1/3 the price. I don't see the gap closing and I don't want to crack and sub and wait, so they're destined to find a new home.

Well, I nailed it. They sold for $148.51 and $103.51. Such a discount over PSA-10s.

BGS....THE COLLECTOR'S SLAB!

[DStars45]

I saw the $148 one last second while it was sitting at $62. Rapidly bid $145 and just missed out. Nice deal for someone.

Originally Posted by towerymt

Well, I nailed it. They sold for $148.51 and $103.51. Such a discount over PSA-10s.

BGS....THE COLLECTOR'S SLAB!

[shortstopguy12]

It’s all about subgrades on the BGS... although the $148 is a nice deal for a true gem. As stated above, $176 for a true gem plus just a few hours earlier. The minimum gem was also a nice deal

Originally Posted by DStars45

I saw the $148 one last second while it was sitting at $62. Rapidly bid $145 and just missed out. Nice deal for someone.

[zeus22]

In the current environment with TC being so popular for all of the top players, where would we see similar numbered parallel non-autos between TC and 1st BC?

I haven't come across a comparison chart or multiplier table comparing, for example, /150 blues? or /50 golds? I would have to imagine that the BC's would certainly be the more desirable card to baseball collectors, but with the influx of new investors will the RC logo start to close the gap?

Me, personally, prefer the 2016 card to his 2019 for collectibility and long-term value. But, I could be completely wrong in what the larger marketplace will be looking for. My gut says that TC numbered cards will continue to close the gap. I've picked up a random TC parallel here and there but 2016 is where most of my Chrome collection sits.

Full Disclosure: Holding 22 numbered 1st BC's from /150 and below (Blues, Golds & Oranges)

[eye4talent]

I think of 1st BC cards as being in a separate category. Between a ‘16 BC gold or ‘19 TC gold, hands down I want the ‘16. I even prefer the ‘16 paper parallels over anything ‘19.

And it appears to play out like that with the base cards, as a ‘16 BC sells for more than an NNO or TC in Vlad cards. This applies to most players.

One exception is when the first non-auto BC comes out after the auto. (e.g. Soto, Gleyber) Also, something like the Bat Down will outpace a 1st BC.

What you said about the influx of new collectors/investors jumping into “RC” Topps Chromes is an interesting point. The gap does appear to be closing. I wonder if that might prove to be temporary, though.



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[Mymoneypls]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

I think of 1st BC cards as being in a separate category. Between a ‘16 BC gold or ‘19 TC gold, hands down I want the ‘16. I even prefer the ‘16 paper parallels over anything ‘19.

And it appears to play out like that with the base cards, as a ‘16 BC sells for more than an NNO or TC in Vlad cards. This applies to most players.

One exception is when the first non-auto BC comes out after the auto. (e.g. Soto, Gleyber) Also, something like the Bat Down will outpace a 1st BC.

What you said about the influx of new collectors/investors jumping into “RC” Topps Chromes is an interesting point. The gap does appear to be closing. I wonder if that might prove to be temporary, though.



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I’ve always wondered what people covet more the Bowman Chrome 1st or the Topps Chrome.
When I started getting back into the hobby, I first purchased a Vlad TC Refractor and NNO than decided to buy Acuna so went for the BC 1st over the TC. Eventually got a TC refractor in Acuna.
I’m still kinda confused about about which one the hobby prefers.
Topps Chrome seems to be the most popular but for some reason Bowman Chrome makes more sense.


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[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by Mymoneypls

I’ve always wondered what people covet more the Bowman Chrome 1st or the Topps Chrome.
When I started getting back into the hobby, I first purchased a Vlad TC Refractor and NNO than decided to buy Acuna so went for the BC 1st over the TC. Eventually got a TC refractor in Acuna.
I’m still kinda confused about about which one the hobby prefers.
Topps Chrome seems to be the most popular but for some reason Bowman Chrome makes more sense.


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Something to keep in mind is that collective preferences shift a lot. Also, all the choices will prove to be winners if a young star proves Hall-worthy, and it ultimately comes down to what you prefer as a collector.


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[Mymoneypls]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

Something to keep in mind is that collective preferences shift a lot. Also, all the choices will prove to be winners if a young star proves Hall-worthy, and it ultimately comes down to what you prefer as a collector.


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That’s what I figure. All personal preference. I’ve purchased some beautifully cards in my eye maybe not to others.


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[SGC300ier]

I really like the ASG stamps and these are super affordable.

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[DStars45]

Just got one of these last week too. Very affordable and a nice looking image (at least in my mind).

Originally Posted by SGC300ier

I really like the ASG stamps and these are super affordable.

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[Sunsfan86]

Went to the Lcs today and bought 1 fat pack of 2019 Topps chrome for 100$. Felt a little uneasy about spending that on one pack but somehow I pulled a tatis rc, a vlad prism rc and a de Los Santos refractor auto. What a pack!

[zeus22]

Originally Posted by Sunsfan86

Went to the Lcs today and bought 1 fat pack of 2019 Topps chrome for 100$. Felt a little uneasy about spending that on one pack but somehow I pulled a tatis rc, a vlad prism rc and a de Los Santos refractor auto. What a pack!

WOW...great pulls from the pack! That's a $100 well spent.

[Bronconation24]

1 pitch, 1 hit off cole. Lets goo

[eye4talent]

Great way to start the season!

114 mph of the middle, and must’ve sent a chill down Gerrit Cole’s spine.


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[Mymoneypls]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

Great way to start the season!

114 mph of the middle, and must’ve sent a chill down Gerrit Cole’s spine.


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Lol yes!


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[Randallk34]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

Great way to start the season!

114 mph of the middle, and must’ve sent a chill down Gerrit Cole’s spine.


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Tad dramatic, no?

[seanbros55]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

Great way to start the season!

114 mph of the middle, and must’ve sent a chill down Gerrit Cole’s spine.


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He RIPPED that.

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by Randallk34

Tad dramatic, no?

Did you see it?

Have you ever been a pitcher on the mound with 114 zooming past your head?

Cole most likely hadn’t. It was the hardest-hit ball Cole has ever allowed since Statcast began tracking exit velocity in 2015.


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[shortstopguy12]

That is a very interesting stat. Thank you for sharing

Originally Posted by eye4talent

Did you see it?

Have you ever been a pitcher on the mound with 114 zooming past your head?

Cole most likely hadn’t. It was the hardest-hit ball Cole has ever allowed since Statcast began tracking exit velocity in 2015.


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