MUST READ TRIMMING THREAD: COMC- HawkDynasty,cccardfactory,LORDSTANLEY2012|PWCC|ih8ca - Page 35

mrdallas · 09-04-2019, 02:26 PM

Just curious... A user just posted on the Hockey Buy/Sell/Trade section. IS this the same LordStanley??

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...1#post15006173

pip · 09-04-2019, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by cking

What is this hobby coming to when someone has to ask this question to somebody.

This whole trimming situation is just ridiculous.

More than ridiculous. Completely out of control. Those perpetuating it -- the grading companies and the card doctors -- are unchecked and unregulated within the industry. That needs to change either through strict outside regulation or through the deterrence of indictments, fines and prison sentences.

Bowman1951 · 09-04-2019, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mrdallas

Just curious... A user just posted on the Hockey Buy/Sell/Trade section. IS this the same LordStanley??

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...1#post15006173

It shouldn't be, that account belonged to HawkDynasty....whatever his real name is that I'm too lazy to look up.

"Lord Stanley" is going to be a pretty common term utilized by hockey fans since that is who the cup is named after and is also a big Canadian icon.

pip · 09-04-2019, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowman1951

It shouldn't be, that account belonged to HawkDynasty....whatever his real name is that I'm too lazy to look up.

"Lord Stanley" is going to be a pretty common term utilized by hockey fans since that is who the cup is named after and is also a big Canadian icon.

To a degree. Lord Stanley was recalled to England and never actually witnessed a Stanley Cup challenge. Also, the cup currently awarded is not the original.

mrdallas · 09-04-2019, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowman1951

It shouldn't be, that account belonged to HawkDynasty....whatever his real name is that I'm too lazy to look up.

"Lord Stanley" is going to be a pretty common term utilized by hockey fans since that is who the cup is named after and is also a big Canadian icon.

Ahh OK. I just saw the email and it rang a bell which matched the name Lordstanley (I am not a Hockey guy) but makes sense now. In addition with buying resale lots I found it interesting.

Thanks

3124508 on COMC · 09-04-2019, 08:03 PM

https://www.comc.com/Cards/Basketbal...4/Graded/PSA/8
https://www.comc.com/Cards/Basketbal.../Graded/SGC/96

clocsta2323 · 09-04-2019, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by sfgiants4life

Do you think COMC will notify the authorities about this? No mention of it in the update. From the update it seems that it is still up to the individuals to prove that their cards were trimmed. I don't feel it is up to the buyers to prove it. The seller has been shown to have a few cards which were purchased by themselves or business associates and then altered and regraded. If some of the cards are tainted shouldn't we assume they all are? It shouldn't be up to the buyers to figure out if their $20 psa graded card is altered or not if it originated from those sellers...then the buyer needs to prove it and send them proof to get their $20 back? Or better yet $1 insert? Doesn't sound right.

Buyer didn't do anything wrong. The seller got greedy and they should pay the price.

This is legitimate but certainly under any circumstance is COMC not liable. If you bought $20 worth of cards, SUSPECT they are altered, and are waiting in a queue to get it back then you have way bigger problems. WAY bigger

corndog · 09-05-2019, 04:29 AM

PSA Cert #23830849

1957 Topps Haywood Sullivan #336 - Population 1 of 7 - None Graded Higher

Value gain of $827.00

This card was purchased by Ebay ID card-buyer from PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA 8 for $82.00 on November 04, 2014.
PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1046094

Same card was sold by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA 9 for $909.00 on March 11, 2015.
PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1078199

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed bottom edge.

Bowman1951 · 09-05-2019, 09:19 AM

How's everyone feeling out there about being the "best" in the arbitrary PSA Set Registry with the altered cards you're likely holding within it? Anyone want to chime in on this?

corndog · 09-05-2019, 02:39 PM

PSA Cert #23830848

1958 Topps Billy Goodman #225 - Population 1 of 5 - None Graded Higher

Value gain of $489.33

This card was purchased by Ebay ID card-buyer from Ebay seller probstein123 as a PSA 8 for $22.44 on November 27, 2014.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...=&limit=999999

Same card was sold by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA 9 for $511.77 on March 11, 2015.
PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1078340

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red boxes identify trimmed top and bottom edges. No back image provided from first sale.

pip · 09-05-2019, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by corndog

That is a HUGE gap in the holder. Who would ever buy a PSA 9 that was that small? I sincerely hope the FBI investigation has been expanded to include Johnathan Miller, Scot Maxwell, Nate Johnson, and Rich Katz. Criminals like these do not belong in the hobby.

corndog · 09-05-2019, 07:29 PM

PSA Cert #23830781

1959 Topps Ken Aspromonte #424 - Population 1 of 4

Value gain of $644.99

Current PSA Registry Sets:
This cert is currently in Set Registry inventory and is featured in one or more sets, including natsturner.

This card was purchased by Ebay ID card-buyer from PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA 8 for $16.01 on October 08, 2014.
PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1037739

Same card was sold by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA 10 for $661.00 on March 11, 2015.
PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1078555

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed right edge.

37Jetson · 09-05-2019, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pip

That is a HUGE gap in the holder. Who would ever buy a PSA 9 that was that small? I sincerely hope the FBI investigation has been expanded to include Johnathan Miller, Scot Maxwell, Nate Johnson, and Rich Katz. Criminals like these do not belong in the hobby.

Wow, I could spot the trimming on this card from across the room. This is a crime.....

corndog · 09-05-2019, 08:12 PM

PSA Cert #23830771

1959 Topps Billy Pierce #410 - Population 1 of 5

Value gain of $637.50

Current PSA Registry Sets:
This cert is currently in Set Registry inventory and is featured in one or more sets, including Don Johnson Collection.

This card was purchased by Ebay ID card-buyer from Ebay seller probstein123 as a PSA 8 for $15.50 on December 18, 2014.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...=&limit=999999

Same card was sold by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA 10 for $653.00 on March 11, 2015.
PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1078552

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed left edge. No back image provided from first sale.

3124508 on COMC · 09-05-2019, 09:03 PM

Any buyers contacted yet? Has the audit begun?

DunceMode · 09-05-2019, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

Any buyers contacted yet? Has the audit begun?

Nope, and I bought a large number of graded cards from hawkdynasty right before this broke. I had some shipped to me a couple days back to see what they would do, and the order has been flagged as shipped with not even one peep from COMC.

DunceMode · 09-05-2019, 11:15 PM

I don't know if this is just cache or what, but I see hawkdynasty as still having an active account. 2 items for sale right now.

https://www.comc.com/Users/HawkDynasty,so,i100

sfgiants4life · 09-05-2019, 11:18 PM

Maybe those cards passed the "audit".

DunceMode · 09-05-2019, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sfgiants4life

Maybe those cards passed the "audit".

That's what I thought. Might be my old eyes, but Cal looks trimmed to me

3124508 on COMC · 09-05-2019, 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DunceMode

I don't know if this is just cache or what, but I see hawkdynasty as still having an active account. 2 items for sale right now.

https://www.comc.com/Users/HawkDynasty,so,i100

Well there’s multiple other accounts that I highly suspect are linked to these guys and they’re still active, so anything is possible. If they don’t ban these three accounts they’re making a huge mistake.

ThoseBackPages · 09-05-2019, 11:22 PM

Since most of these altered cards were purchased over 30 days ago, will COMC be charging people a % to get their money cashed out?

3124508 on COMC · 09-05-2019, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Since most of these altered cards were purchased over 30 days ago, will COMC be charging people a % to get their money cashed out?

That won’t be an issue if they don’t contact any buyers of trimmed cards.

sfgiants4life · 09-05-2019, 11:33 PM

True the majority of buyers probably don't know the sellers involved...since there was no announcement.

Thank you to all the hard work put in by BODA.

bryanscs · 09-06-2019, 08:53 AM

I keep seeing 'TPG' used. What is that?

pip · 09-06-2019, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by bryanscs

I keep seeing 'TPG' used. What is that?

Third party graders/grading

09-04-2019, 08:03 PM	#856
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,481	https://www.comc.com/Cards/Basketbal...4/Graded/PSA/8 https://www.comc.com/Cards/Basketbal.../Graded/SGC/96 __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud

09-05-2019, 04:29 AM	#858
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 19,113	PSA Cert #23830849 1957 Topps Haywood Sullivan #336 - Population 1 of 7 - None Graded Higher Value gain of $827.00 This card was purchased by Ebay ID card-buyer from PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA 8 for $82.00 on November 04, 2014. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1046094 Same card was sold by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA 9 for $909.00 on March 11, 2015. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1078199 Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers. Red box identifies trimmed bottom edge. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal. Last edited by corndog; 09-05-2019 at 02:33 PM.

09-05-2019, 09:19 AM	#859
Bowman1951 Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Boston 'Burbs Posts: 4,719 djblitz Bowman1951	How's everyone feeling out there about being the "best" in the arbitrary PSA Set Registry with the altered cards you're likely holding within it? Anyone want to chime in on this? __________________ I am the head promoter of one of the most successful Saturday monthly card shows in New England. https://flippincardshow.com/

09-05-2019, 02:39 PM	#860
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 19,113	PSA Cert #23830848 1958 Topps Billy Goodman #225 - Population 1 of 5 - None Graded Higher Value gain of $489.33 This card was purchased by Ebay ID card-buyer from Ebay seller probstein123 as a PSA 8 for $22.44 on November 27, 2014. VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...=&limit=999999 Same card was sold by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA 9 for $511.77 on March 11, 2015. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1078340 Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers. Red boxes identify trimmed top and bottom edges. No back image provided from first sale. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal.

09-05-2019, 07:29 PM	#862
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 19,113	PSA Cert #23830781 1959 Topps Ken Aspromonte #424 - Population 1 of 4 Value gain of $644.99 Current PSA Registry Sets: This cert is currently in Set Registry inventory and is featured in one or more sets, including natsturner. This card was purchased by Ebay ID card-buyer from PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA 8 for $16.01 on October 08, 2014. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1037739 Same card was sold by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA 10 for $661.00 on March 11, 2015. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1078555 Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers. Red box identifies trimmed right edge. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal. Last edited by corndog; 09-05-2019 at 07:32 PM.

09-04-2019, 02:26 PM	#851
mrdallas Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 4,851 robbyg8	Just curious... A user just posted on the Hockey Buy/Sell/Trade section. IS this the same LordStanley?? https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...1#post15006173

09-05-2019, 08:12 PM	#864
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 19,113	PSA Cert #23830771 1959 Topps Billy Pierce #410 - Population 1 of 5 Value gain of $637.50 Current PSA Registry Sets: This cert is currently in Set Registry inventory and is featured in one or more sets, including Don Johnson Collection. This card was purchased by Ebay ID card-buyer from Ebay seller probstein123 as a PSA 8 for $15.50 on December 18, 2014. VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...=&limit=999999 Same card was sold by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA 10 for $653.00 on March 11, 2015. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1078552 Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers. Red box identifies trimmed left edge. No back image provided from first sale. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal.

09-05-2019, 09:03 PM	#865
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,481	Any buyers contacted yet? Has the audit begun? __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud

09-05-2019, 11:15 PM	#867
DunceMode Banned Join Date: Aug 2019 Posts: 33	I don't know if this is just cache or what, but I see hawkdynasty as still having an active account. 2 items for sale right now. https://www.comc.com/Users/HawkDynasty,so,i100

09-05-2019, 11:18 PM	#868
sfgiants4life Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 986	Maybe those cards passed the "audit".

09-05-2019, 11:22 PM	#871
ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 91,379 ThoseBackPages	Since most of these altered cards were purchased over 30 days ago, will COMC be charging people a % to get their money cashed out? __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

09-05-2019, 11:33 PM	#873
sfgiants4life Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 986	True the majority of buyers probably don't know the sellers involved...since there was no announcement. Thank you to all the hard work put in by BODA.

09-06-2019, 08:53 AM	#874
bryanscs Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Elizabethtown, KY Posts: 1,798 elizabethtownsportscards ElizabethtownSportsCards	I keep seeing 'TPG' used. What is that? __________________ Looking to sell your COMC port? I'm buying!