2023-24 NBA Season Thread

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Add it to your signature. Do it now

i give the orders around here

i might add "whatever ninja said" to my sig though

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by GOATcards

i give the orders around here

i might add "whatever ninja said" to my sig though

[asujbl]

Saw this on Twitter today… Suns better win something

Here’s what Phoenix now owes in the first round:

2024: Least favorable of own, Washington (if 13-30) or Memphis

2025: To Brooklyn

2026: Least favorable of own, Washington (if not conveyed to New York) or Orlando

2027: To Brooklyn

2028: Least favorable of own, Washington, Philadelphia (if 9-30) or Brooklyn

2029: To Brooklyn

2030: Least favorable of own, Washington or Memphis

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Saw this on Twitter today… Suns better win something

Here’s what Phoenix now owes in the first round:

2024: Least favorable of own, Washington (if 13-30) or Memphis

2025: To Brooklyn

2026: Least favorable of own, Washington (if not conveyed to New York) or Orlando

2027: To Brooklyn

2028: Least favorable of own, Washington, Philadelphia (if 9-30) or Brooklyn

2029: To Brooklyn

2030: Least favorable of own, Washington or Memphis

[daeve]

Guess Phx is rolling with the logic that you don't need PGs to take turns running ISOs.

Spurs getting paid to take on Cam Payne, great deal for them.

[bkcardcollector]

Suns are just about the worst super team ever put together.

Beal-Booker-KD-Ayton seems nasty but i dont think anybody believes.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by bkcardcollector

Suns are just about the worst super team ever put together.

Beal-Booker-KD-Ayton seems nasty but i dont think anybody believes.

Definitely not the worst, big hyperbole there, also wouldn't include Ayton in that at all.

[rifleman69]

Originally Posted by daeve

Guess Phx is rolling with the logic that you don't need PGs to take turns running ISOs.

Spurs getting paid to take on Cam Payne, great deal for them.

Gotta hit the salary floor...Payne is a good solid vet, nothing more, nothing less.

[daeve]

Originally Posted by bkcardcollector

Suns are just about the worst super team ever put together.

Beal-Booker-KD-Ayton seems nasty but i dont think anybody believes.

No PG, No depth, and Ayton doesn't even want to be there. It will be a fun/entertaining experiment to see how far ISO gang can go, but I see them as a 2nd round exit again, assuming they stay healthy.

[daeve]

I think the fact that Harden and Morey haven't made up yet means their relationship is broken. Harden already looked to pre-emptively be gearing up with the fat-suit in his last photos partying with Rubin in Vegas, I think he's really about to force his way to LAC. Which may mean Paul George is on the move...

[daeve]

Joel Embiid: "I just want to win a championship, whatever it takes. I don't know where that's going to be, whether it's Philly or somewhere else...It's not easy but every single day I work towards it"

https://streamable.com/alyutf

Morey should do it... become the league's true agent of Chaos.

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by daeve

I think the fact that Harden and Morey haven't made up yet means their relationship is broken. Harden already looked to pre-emptively be gearing up with the fat-suit in his last photos partying with Rubin in Vegas, I think he's really about to force his way to LAC. Which may mean Paul George is on the move...

Originally Posted by daeve

https://streamable.com/alyutf

Morey should do it... become the league's true agent of Chaos.

seems to me that Beard + Jo in Philly was the best situation those two were going to get, and teams will be trying not to be left holding the bag with these two. Wherever Beard goes he'll score single digits or get injured in a game 7, Jo will choke and blame his teammates

i feel like a bag-holder on the RCs of them that I got, it's good it didn't cost me much, these two players in particular will end up in basketball lore as regular season fool's gold with awful attitudes and work ethic, case studies of how not to go about things

6 combined award shares my ass, more like combined average playoff BPM of 5 which is all-star level but nothing like mvp or championship caliber, alpaca delivers at least as well

[daeve]

Originally Posted by GOATcards

seems to me that Beard + Jo in Philly was the best situation those two were going to get, and teams will be trying not to be left holding the bag with these two. Wherever Beard goes he'll score single digits or get injured in a game 7, Jo will choke and blame his teammates

i feel like a bag-holder on the RCs of them that I got, it's good it didn't cost me much, these two players in particular will end up in basketball lore as regular season fool's gold with awful attitudes and work ethic, case studies of how not to go about things

6 combined award shares my ass, more like combined average playoff BPM of 5 which is all-star level but nothing like mvp or championship caliber, alpaca delivers at least as well

The other kicker is that in failing to extend Harden, he's really not worth a ton. You have to take his word that he'll sign an extension or else you're just paying for 1 year. And assuredly he will only sign an extension for a contender in a big market with a good club scene, so that limits his market considerably.

Would love the Hawks to try and step in if PG becomes available out of all this. Guessing he would be the one on the move if Clips' FO decides to get Harden.



Guessing if something like this happened we'd see Hawks, Mavs, and Clips throwing picks/swaps at Philly. Would give them a good head start if they want to blow it up and ship Embiid out too. Really hard to tell if that's more/less likely than Morey getting fired for fumbling the Harden extension. Then again, did Embiid fumble harder? Morey gave him a legit co-star and they failed to execute.

[rustywest]

Originally Posted by daeve

I think the fact that Harden and Morey haven't made up yet means their relationship is broken. Harden already looked to pre-emptively be gearing up with the fat-suit in his last photos partying with Rubin in Vegas, I think he's really about to force his way to LAC. Which may mean Paul George is on the move...

As a Clippers fan, no thanks. I'd rather keep PG

And if I were Clippers GM, and it was PG for Harden I'm saying no 10 times out of 10

I truly believe the Clippers had something going on with Russ, PG and Kawhi but the injury bug squashed hope. Am I confident they can stay healthy at the right time? No. But they don't need another ball dominant player to mess with things. They just need to filter out some of the other guys on the edges. Harden would be nice for the reg season, I believe in that.

[daeve]

Originally Posted by rustywest

As a Clippers fan, no thanks. I'd rather keep PG

And if I were Clippers GM, and it was PG for Harden I'm saying no 10 times out of 10

I truly believe the Clippers had something going on with Russ, PG and Kawhi but the injury bug squashed hope. Am I confident they can stay healthy at the right time? No. But they don't need another ball dominant player to mess with things. They just need to filter out some of the other guys on the edges. Harden would be nice for the reg season, I believe in that.

Right, with PG and Harden being nearly equal value, the goal for LAC is to pair Kawhi with a 2nd star who's typically much more available than PG. This way when Kawhi is load-managing you don't sit on pins and needles waiting for PG to also get injured, you have Harden helping RW manage the regular season and hope Kawhi is healthy for the playoffs to make a run.

Over his last 4 seasons, PG has hit 56 games played as his high. Harden has eclipsed that in 3 of his last 4 seasons.

[daeve]

Jokic (12.9➡️11.5)

Giannis (9.6➡️9.5)

Embiid (8.8➡️3.1)

Luka (8.0➡️10.1)

Butler (7.6➡️7.8)

Curry (7.3➡️7.2)

LeBron (7.2➡️8.0)

KD (7.2➡️5.7)

Kawhi (6.7➡️11.2)

Zion (5.8➡️N/A)

top 10 in bpm over the last 3 years and then their playoff bpm. Kawhi 2nd only to Joker in playoff value, we could possibly get an all-time WCF if only he'd stay healthy for it.

Also why I think the 4-team megadeal possibility would be huge. Having a reg season warrior like Harden get them into position for a playoff run with Kawhi could be ideal.

crunchtime lineups of:

Russ-THJr-Harden-Kawhi-Zubac/Batum depending on strategy
vs
Murray-KCP-Gordon-MPJ-Joker


I think Hardaway helps with spacing next to Russ, Harden is certainly strong enough to defend Gordon, he'd just have to stay alert/engaged to not give up layups/dunks on cuts, but maybe being next to Kawhi helps with that. Kawhi blankets MPJ to not allow him to shoot or drive.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by rustywest

As a Clippers fan, no thanks. I'd rather keep PG

And if I were Clippers GM, and it was PG for Harden I'm saying no 10 times out of 10

I truly believe the Clippers had something going on with Russ, PG and Kawhi but the injury bug squashed hope. Am I confident they can stay healthy at the right time? No. But they don't need another ball dominant player to mess with things. They just need to filter out some of the other guys on the edges. Harden would be nice for the reg season, I believe in that.

Of course you believe that lol.

The Clippers wouldn't downgrade by taking Harden for George anyway.

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by daeve

top 10 in bpm over the last 3 years and then their playoff bpm. Kawhi 2nd only to Joker in playoff value, we could possibly get an all-time WCF if only he'd stay healthy for it.

indeed indeed, it's why vorp is even more valuable as a metric than bpm, jokic keeps winning in the "when available" dept., and that confounds all the "eye test" idiots

(indeed, bpm doesn't measure value, but value-per-minute-played, so kawhi is obviously not second to joker in playoff value as daeve put it)

[daeve]

seems I was correct on this one

[The Athletic] James Harden and Daryl Morey's relationship is severed and "essentially fractured," according to @ShamsCharania. Harden has been "unnerved" about how the 76ers have handled his potential free agency and still wants to be traded to the Clippers.

[drobfan8]

Harden is an idiot.

They should let him rot on the bench. He signed a contract to a team he doesn't want to play for.

[ninjacookies]

This will now mark strip club patron's 4th team in less than 4 years.

These players get around more than the females they associate with.

[rhigh2390]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

Harden is an idiot.

They should let him rot on the bench. He signed a contract to a team he doesn't want to play for.

I'm not trying to defend Harden, but didn't he opt in so they could get something for him instead of losing him for nothing?

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by rhigh2390

I'm not trying to defend Harden, but didn't he opt in so they could get something for him instead of losing him for nothing?

Lol. No.

Plus they can get something for him in a sign and trade if he didn't opt in.

The issue is, nobody can give up much for him as he'll most likely walk again if not happy.

If a guard doesn't want to play alongside an MVP big man, that tells me there's all kinds of red flags.

The dude wanted the money knowing nobody is paying him that.

[rhigh2390]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

Lol. No.

Plus they can get something for him in a sign and trade if he didn't opt in.

The issue is, nobody can give up much for him as he'll most likely walk again if not happy.

If a guard doesn't want to play alongside an MVP big man, that tells me there's all kinds of red flags.

The dude wanted the money knowing nobody is paying him that.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...-explore-trade

Totally agree on the red flags, but Harden has had those for years now. I agree alao that the 76ers are limited on what they can get for him because it's a one year deal with no guarantee that he's going to be happy and re-sign with the new team.

Seems that he opted in so they could explore trades and try to get something for him though.

[rifleman69]

Harden for Lillard, the only real trade out there.