'15 A&G set preview posted

[Bhenry4]

Originally Posted by HeritageKing

should of been a 400 dollar card, but of course guys throw it up with stupidly low buy it nows and kill the value. If an Archives SP that isn't numbered with a print run of several hundred fetches 200 dollars, then why would someone list a card /40 for the same price?

Minis don't go for nearly the same price as a full size card. Also, this is a parallel, and the Archives has none.

I'm not disagreeing that people always race to the bottom, but I'd rather have the Archives all day long.

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by HeritageKing

should of been a 400 dollar card, but of course guys throw it up with stupidly low buy it nows and kill the value. If an Archives SP that isn't numbered with a print run of several hundred fetches 200 dollars, then why would someone list a card /40 for the same price?

Brent's auction closed at $128.38 so I tend to think the real market is established right there. Early BINs on release date always happen, for better or for worse, but one bad listing doesn't impact an entire market of 40 cards. Just because the first seller asked $99.99 doesn't mean bidders suddenly back away on future auctions.

[strngmn]

Originally Posted by HeritageKing

should of been a 400 dollar card, but of course guys throw it up with stupidly low buy it nows and kill the value. If an Archives SP that isn't numbered with a print run of several hundred fetches 200 dollars, then why would someone list a card /40 for the same price?

Honestly, I have never sold cards on EBay, or any other forum. Not sure I am ready to start now, but 400 for this Bryant is intriguing! Just checked EBay to see if anyone has posted another red mini and I was surprised at what people are asking for Bryant cards. May need to reassess my collecting habits

[metsandweezer]

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/b...uch-worth.html

[HeritageKing]

Bryant's popularity has been waning over the past month, I get that, but do you know how hard it is to pull one of those? There are 40 yes, and maybe only half that show up on ebay over the next few years, but right now there are only a few on ebay. This seems like a golden opportunity to cash in, but no, 129.00 is a joke.

I guess ginter doesn't translate to some collectors. The market used to be so much higher for these cards. I bet there are collectors out there who would of paid 300 for that card, but when you can get it for less than half then why not.

Boy if you can't get good money for the best pull in the product then it is going to be hard to justify the box and case price.

[brentandbecca]

Originally Posted by HeritageKing

Bryant's popularity has been waning over the past month, I get that, but do you know how hard it is to pull one of those? There are 40 yes, and maybe only half that show up on ebay over the next few years, but right now there are only a few on ebay. This seems like a golden opportunity to cash in, but no, 129.00 is a joke.

I guess ginter doesn't translate to some collectors. The market used to be so much higher for these cards. I bet there are collectors out there who would of paid 300 for that card, but when you can get it for less than half then why not.

Boy if you can't get good money for the best pull in the product then it is going to be hard to justify the box and case price.

can't compare this card to archives
there are numerous versions
and archives was non-parallel true rc that was needed for the set

for example
I also auctioned off the bryant cards I got in series 2, the print plate went over $600, the pink /50 over $550, the clear over $800
look at what people got via best offer, they all went for less

auctions set the market and often go higher than BO, not always but often
I know because I sell both ways on the same cards all day long because I have duplicate cards all the time
sure some BIN/BO go crazy but typically only the first one gets that
just too much supply and sellers and variety of cards

last year the puig red mini didn't bring quite $100, and his base cards were $10+ and black minis $30 (kris bryant black mini have been $9-$15)
of course KB has had way more cards compared to Puig at that point, that also factors in

ALSO...important to note, that the TWO largest mini buyers (scdad2be and t206kid) both are MIA for this year's set
they would push thing up and buy most off ebay, that makes big difference (same with the rip cards, huge difference in prices from prior years without scdad2be)

Like I said before, many folks overestimate the values on things and think a product is super but when sells are realized it is a different story
also no way that mini is a $300 card (if a different product that set builders went after, and not one of the newer parallels, maybe, but then again, that seems like a great price to me since his blacks and nno are cheap)
even the best wood 1/1 mini cards don't bring that at times
I know, as I have sold griffey, ripken, and top rc before VIA best offer

[brentandbecca]

ps---flag back here for BIN $150
2015 Allen Ginter Kris Bryant Rookie SP Mini Flag 85 Hand Numbered 7 25 | eBay

if you think it is a good deal Kevin, then buy it, lol
obviously no one has yet

the nno minis aren't even bringing $50 and those are /50, so I am happy to have $128+ for a /40 out of ginter
that makes it my best single ginter mini sale that was not a 1/1 or /3 metal
my jeter flag back 01/25 went $125 last year

[Enryon]

I just drafted the Harper/Werth Double Rip /25 from SCB's break. I wonder what HeritageKing would price it at vs what BrentandBecca would price it at.

[brentandbecca]

Originally Posted by Enryon

I just drafted the Harper/Werth Double Rip /25 from SCB's break. I wonder what HeritageKing would price it at vs what BrentandBecca would price it at.

that is one I would do BIN/BO offer as history has shown rip cards to generally do better that way, but this year prices are down, so my asking price would probably not even get an offer, like my double rip cards have not so far

eventually I will have to auction them most likely

the Bryant mini is a tad different as his cards get lots of bidding action and stuff has been shown to do very well via auction for him, especially low #d
so rather than price at $300 and hope offers come in while others sell and prices drop, well

key thing is with the rips, they always have value inside them so you can be more patient, and not multiple versions, there is just the 1 dual /25, not a parallel with black, red, flag back, metal, wood, ad back, regular, etc
prices are down with the rips this year due to player selection and the big rip buyer gone, but they are still great cards that have potentially red autos of bryant, or rocky, or aaron paul, and much more

[Enryon]

Originally Posted by brentandbecca

that is one I would do BIN/BO offer as history has shown rip cards to generally do better that way, but this year prices are down, so my asking price would probably not even get an offer, like my double rip cards have not so far

eventually I will have to auction them most likely

the Bryant mini is a tad different as his cards get lots of bidding action and stuff has been shown to do very well via auction for him, especially low #d
so rather than price at $300 and hope offers come in while others sell and prices drop, well

key thing is with the rips, they always have value inside them so you can be more patient, and not multiple versions, there is just the 1 dual /25, not a parallel with black, red, flag back, metal, wood, ad back, regular, etc
prices are down with the rips this year due to player selection and the big rip buyer gone, but they are still great cards that have potentially red autos of bryant, or rocky, or aaron paul, and much more

I think the few rips this year that carry big name players will still have a fairly nice premium. Trout, Harper and a few others have a huge collector following and should do well. Unfortunately, most of the rip cards this year are not big name players and will not carry much of a premium.

[brentandbecca]

Originally Posted by Enryon

I think the few rips this year that carry big name players will still have a fairly nice premium. Trout, Harper and a few others have a huge collector following and should do well. Unfortunately, most of the rip cards this year are not big name players and will not carry much of a premium.

of course, and they will
but prices are still down compared to last
that rip card is nice for sure but harper is not helped by werth being on there, but it is still a double /25
a trout/harper double would rock

[Czar]

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Originally Posted by brentandbecca

ps---flag back here for BIN $150
2015 Allen Ginter Kris Bryant Rookie SP Mini Flag 85 Hand Numbered 7 25 | eBay

if you think it is a good deal Kevin, then buy it, lol
obviously no one has yet

the nno minis aren't even bringing $50 and those are /50, so I am happy to have $128+ for a /40 out of ginter
that makes it my best single ginter mini sale that was not a 1/1 or /3 metal
my jeter flag back 01/25 went $125 last year

I bought the red mini. Will there be an opportunity to get it for less? Maybe, but I don't need the stress. I built the 2014 set, and didn't get the last card until January (David Price). This card is last year's Babe Ruth, and now I don't have to worry about it. I think I'll complete this years set much quicker and for far less.

I'd rather have the red mini than the Archives card any day of the week. A&G is art!

Brent, I'm glad I could help you recoup some of your investment. I'll pay in a week or two.

[brentandbecca]

Originally Posted by Czar

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I bought the red mini. Will there be an opportunity to get it for less? Maybe, but I don't need the stress. I built the 2014 set, and didn't get the last card until January (David Price). This card is last year's Babe Ruth, and now I don't have to worry about it. I think I'll complete this years set much quicker and for far less.

I'd rather have the red mini than the Archives card any day of the week. A&G is art!

Brent, I'm glad I could help you recoup some of your investment. I'll pay in a week or two.

I agree. I love minis and love A&G.
Archives has demand due to being set chaser.
This is just a cool card. Sure it may come up for less, but the market has been set and his stuff seems to be holding on similar items.
Kevin was just saying it sold way too low, and I disagree. It sold right where it should IMO. I am happy with it. Would I have liked more, like $200? Sure, but who's to say I would have gotten it. There are other minis around and priced similarly so I am happy and you, the buyer are happy. To me that is a win-win.
Kevin is disappointed in a price of a card he does not own, if he really thought they were too cheap, I would think he would buy them all, and try to resell them for $300-$400...hey, you never know.

[HeritageKing]

If the three people who pull the card all put it up on ebay for 300, then what? Sure there is a market at 120, but maybe there was a market at 300.....we will never know now.

I said it during heritage, case rippers have too much motivation to dump cards and kill value early. The race to be the first one sold kills the value before some guys even get their product. A guy who opens 4 boxes and pulls a nice card may think he has a card to recoup some money but someone else has already dumped the card and now the market has been set too low

A lot of buyers out there don't know the difference between a 300 dollar card and a 100 dollar card, they only know that they want the card and know it is far cheaper to buy it on ebay than to try to pull it from packs. The low buy it nows don't benifits the guys out there ripping the product.

IMO the Bryant could of sold way higher. Tanaka sold for 400 last year before he got hurt.

Dump it, collect the money and move on. True Ginter collectors are left holding lesser valued card when the dust settles. I think this is sad.

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by HeritageKing

If the three people who pull the card all put it up on ebay for 300, then what? Sure there is a market at 120, but maybe there was a market at 300.....we will never know now.

I said it during heritage, case rippers have too much motivation to dump cards and kill value early. The race to be the first one sold kills the value before some guys even get their product. A guy who opens 4 boxes and pulls a nice card may think he has a card to recoup some money but someone else has already dumped the card and now the market has been set too low

A lot of buyers out there don't know the difference between a 300 dollar card and a 100 dollar card, they only know that they want the card and know it is far cheaper to buy it on ebay than to try to pull it from packs. The low buy it nows don't benifits the guys out there ripping the product.

IMO the Bryant could of sold way higher. Tanaka sold for 400 last year before he got hurt.

Dump it, collect the money and move on. True Ginter collectors are left holding lesser valued card when the dust settles. I think this is sad.

So you expect everyone in the country who opens product to all conspire to list specific cards at specific BIN/BO just to test if the market might bite, and if ONE seller goes too low the entire gig is up? That is so far from reality I can't even believe we spend time trying to convince you otherwise.

If it were that easy then why doesn't every cable company just charge $500 for cable and buy out their streaming/online competitors so that the ONLY way to watch tv is to pay $500? I'd bet there is absolutely a market at $500 if that were the only choice. With the way people love their reality tv and sports, you'd think $500 was a bargain. But NOOOOOO it's always a race to the bottom between TWC and AT&T...and then that annoying WOW! comes in and undercuts them all and now I get fliers every day for $59 cable. I think this is sad.

[HeritageKing]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

So you expect everyone in the country who opens product to all conspire to list specific cards at specific BIN/BO just to test if the market might bite, and if ONE seller goes too low the entire gig is up? That is so far from reality I can't even believe we spend time trying to convince you otherwise.

If it were that easy then why doesn't every cable company just charge $500 for cable and buy out their streaming/online competitors so that the ONLY way to watch tv is to pay $500? I'd bet there is absolutely a market at $500 if that were the only choice. With the way people love their reality tv and sports, you'd think $500 was a bargain. But NOOOOOO it's always a race to the bottom between TWC and AT&T...and then that annoying WOW! comes in and undercuts them all and now I get fliers every day for $59 cable. I think this is sad.

No you missed my point. I'm not talking about everything. I am talking about the upper 10% of the product. I consider this and the /25 two of the best "base" hits in the product.

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by HeritageKing

No you missed my point. I'm not talking about everything. I am talking about the upper 10% of the product. I consider this and the /25 two of the best "base" hits in the product.

The upper 10% of the product is still thousands of cards and thousands of sellers. You will NEVER control that market. In the first 24-72 hrs you have a wide variety of listings, from auction, to high BIN/BO, to low BIN/BO. The first 3-4 buyers either overpay or underpay, but after a few days the market corrects itself and most auctions close at the TRUE market. What happens in the first 3 days should be thrown out of the window. If KB is really worth $400, he'll sell for $400 in a week or two when there aren't many options left on eBay. If he doesn't, then you know you were wrong.

[HeritageKing]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

The upper 10% of the product is still thousands of cards and thousands of sellers. You will NEVER control that market. In the first 24-72 hrs you have a wide variety of listings, from auction, to high BIN/BO, to low BIN/BO. The first 3-4 buyers either overpay or underpay, but after a few days the market corrects itself and most auctions close at the TRUE market. What happens in the first 3 days should be thrown out of the window. If KB is really worth $400, he'll sell for $400 in a week or two when there aren't many options left on eBay. If he doesn't, then you know you were wrong.

I hope this is true. Many people would base their prices on these for sold price. Thanks for the info.

[swowannabe]

I consider myself a True Ginter collector, whatever that is. Honestly, I don't care what my cards are worth when the dust settles because I'm not looking to make money at this hobby I do for fun and relaxation.

Then again, I love trading and will trade down for stuff I want, so I guess I'm a bad example. I mean, who trades a Derek Jeter auto /25 for a bunch of Ginter minis!? Probably the same guy stopping that KB red mini from selling for the $400 it's worth.

[Super8er]

Hey guys, I don't know if this has been addressed somewhere, but this seemed a decent place to ask this...

I saw that this year's checklist is the first to not include veteran/HOF players. Will this be the trend in future A&G sets? Also, is there plans to do an all-veteran/HOF set, maybe move Gypsy Queen in that direction? I really liked the mix of current/past players in the A&G and GQ checklists and was disappointed with the change in A&G this year.

[benjamincarm]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

So you expect everyone in the country who opens product to all conspire to list specific cards at specific BIN/BO just to test if the market might bite, and if ONE seller goes too low the entire gig is up? That is so far from reality I can't even believe we spend time trying to convince you otherwise.



If it were that easy then why doesn't every cable company just charge $500 for cable and buy out their streaming/online competitors so that the ONLY way to watch tv is to pay $500? I'd bet there is absolutely a market at $500 if that were the only choice. With the way people love their reality tv and sports, you'd think $500 was a bargain. But NOOOOOO it's always a race to the bottom between TWC and AT&T...and then that annoying WOW! comes in and undercuts them all and now I get fliers every day for $59 cable. I think this is sad.

That sounds like some anti-trust issues ha

[Czar]

Originally Posted by swowannabe

Then again, I love trading and will trade down for stuff I want, so I guess I'm a bad example. I mean, who trades a Derek Jeter auto /25 for a bunch of Ginter minis!?

I with you on this. I would trade every card I own for a 2006 black border mini set. It would need to be as close to mint as possible, but I would do it and stop collecting altogether. Freakin' gorgeous cards. I can't believe they're only ten years old.

[Czar]

Originally Posted by Super8er

Hey guys, I don't know if this has been addressed somewhere, but this seemed a decent place to ask this...

I saw that this year's checklist is the first to not include veteran/HOF players. Will this be the trend in future A&G sets? Also, is there plans to do an all-veteran/HOF set, maybe move Gypsy Queen in that direction? I really liked the mix of current/past players in the A&G and GQ checklists and was disappointed with the change in A&G this year.

It's been discussed at length, and I think it's safe to say it's easily the number one issue with the release among collectors. I think it would be foolish for Topps to make it a permanent feature of A&G. I can't see it.

[Super8er]

Thanks. Like I said, wasn't sure if it had been mentioned. I'm glad I'm not the only one to take issue with it.

[Czar]

Does anyone think the height of the signature area of framed mini autos is a tad high? Some autos seem to be swimming within the signature frame. Maybe I'm just used to the autos overlapping the surrounding area.