Topps Project 2020 is the worst product since 1991 Fleer

[80s Kid]

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[Kek5270]

Able to get all 4 P70 Ryan A/Ps but no foil luck so far on 5 pack purchases. These complement the P2020 Ryan's fairly well imo, and hope he ends with an even 10, 15, or 20 from this years edition. And a note of thanks for the gumstick site, spending more time every day gaining appreciation for some of these cards, whether bought or passed.

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[Silas Barnaby]

I really like today’s Dock Ellis.

[cnote81]

Originally Posted by Silas Barnaby

I really like today’s Dock Ellis.

I do too. First time I can say that a Matt Taylor release beat out Ermsy for me. I'm also glad he's expanding his color palette again.

[DioBrando]

So Pardee Tatis drops today. How many are gonna be buying 5 or 10 packs? I'll just be picking up 1 to continue my Pardee set. Should easily be a #10k print run card.

[R A]

If you didn't already know, the Ermsy Mays companion dropped yesterday...
https://www.ermsy.com/project-2020/

[DioBrando]

Card 398 - 1959 Kyle Lewis by Don C - PR: 661
Card 399 - 1993 Padres by The Shoe Surgeon - PR: 3033

Card 400 - 1967 Cody Bellinger by Morning Breath - PR: 671

Card 401 - 1967 Hank Aaron by Fucci - PR: 1085

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[vermonty]

Originally Posted by DioBrando

Card 398 - 1959 Kyle Lewis by Don C - PR: 661
Card 399 - 1993 Padres by The Shoe Surgeon - PR: 3033

Card 400 - 1967 Cody Bellinger by Morning Breath - PR: 671

Card 401 - 1967 Hank Aaron by Fucci - PR: 1085

While I won't get excited about another Jerry Manuel or Dock Ellis, probably, I am concerned that this means a million more Ohtanis, Guerreros, Tatises and Acunas.

[yadiermind]

$250 for Tatis AP

[Bob Ross]

Grabbed an AP

[DioBrando]

Originally Posted by vermonty

While I won't get excited about another Jerry Manuel or Dock Ellis, probably, I am concerned that this means a million more Ohtanis, Guerreros, Tatises and Acunas.

Those 4 plus Trout are the only ones that seem to break 2000...and anything by Pardee. If he starts having cards with sub 2000 print runs, then it's dead

[ATeamHasNoName]

Originally Posted by yadiermind

$250 for Tatis AP

Dang usually on it. Slipping today In for a brick

[cnote81]

Skee Trout and Pardee Tatis on the same day, paired with two extremely meh offerings. I'll give both of them credit- they were very strong additions to the project and have been nice infusions of enthusiasm. I've really enjoyed Quiccs as well. Morning breath's consistency has started making them a little predictable.

As for today:

POSE keeps drifting further away from his artwork outside the project. Today's card doesn't need to exist. If he doesn't care about his P70 contributions, why should we? I was really into his Rickey, then wasted money on his Kaline and Jeter APs. I regret those purchases more than any other since I started collecting P2020.

In the past I'd expect that Blue's Mookie would be trashed here, but lately it seems as though people are losing interest. Rightfully so I suppose. This card isn't for me, but maybe it speaks to someone out there.

I'm sure Pardee's Tatis will sell over 10K and give the set a glow for at least a few days. Personally, the card of the week remains Rochester's Hayes. Bummed I missed the autos because of work. If anyone out there is interested in a trade, I have a decent collection.

[80s Kid]

Originally Posted by vermonty

While I won't get excited about another Jerry Manuel or Dock Ellis, probably, I am concerned that this means a million more Ohtanis, Guerreros, Tatises and Acunas.

Yeah, or more rookies. We’ve said it a lot but the size of this set, combined with other factors such as Topps letting the player choice be a free for all, really messes with the ability to collect it. There just aren’t enough interesting players, especially with rights issues, to fill a 1,000 card set so it ends up with lots of repeats and random players/managers.

I’m not surprised by the Kyle Lewis PR. A little bummed for the artist but it is a card that can gain value if he comes back and stays healthy.

Which is more than I can say about low PRs for guys long retired.

[cnote81]

Originally Posted by 80s Kid

Yeah, or you know… more rookies. We’ve said it a lot but the size of this set, combined with other factors such as Topps letting the player choice be a free for all, really messes with the ability to collect it.

I’m not surprised by the Kyle Lewis PR. A little bummed for the artist but it is a card that can gain value if he comes back and stays healthy.

Which is more than I can say about low PRs for guys long retired.

I agree- rookie cards would definitely make this set more fun. I like the autos as well.

[vermonty]

Originally Posted by DioBrando

Those 4 plus Trout are the only ones that seem to break 2000...and anything by Pardee. If he starts having cards with sub 2000 print runs, then it's dead

This is annoying because there have been plenty of cards I've liked featuring other players. Just in the last 50 cards I've purchased 6 with PRs under 1000.

On the bright side, even if everyone makes each one of those five players, there are still 15 others they have to produce, minus the wrapper cards and the cards already released.

Kudos to artists like Blake Jamieson for picking unique yet deserving of inclusion subjects like Buster Posey and Brooks Robinson.

Still, they (Topps) should have set a limit on the number of times each player is featured [and yes, to me, the Shoe Surgeon Padres would count toward a quota for all 4 players featured, in my world].

I suppose the incentive should have been "PR above average for that player" or even some more complicated formula rather than raw counts. As an example, I happen to like both cards, but Sophia Chang has the low Ohtani and Tatis PRs so far. So maybe she didn't actually do a good job with those subjects.

How the Jonas Never Charlie Blackmon didn't break 1000 [both as a cool work of art and 1st Rockies card] boggles my mind.

[80s Kid]

Originally Posted by vermonty

This is annoying because there have been plenty of cards I've liked featuring other players. Just in the last 50 cards I've purchased 6 with PRs under 1000.

On the bright side, even if everyone makes each one of those five players, there are still 15 others they have to produce, minus the wrapper cards and the cards already released.

Kudos to artists like Blake Jamieson for picking unique yet deserving of inclusion subjects like Buster Posey and Brooks Robinson.

Still, they (Topps) should have set a limit on the number of times each player is featured [and yes, to me, the Shoe Surgeon Padres would count toward a quota for all 4 players featured, in my world].

I suppose the incentive should have been "PR above average for that player" or even some more complicated formula rather than raw counts. As an example, I happen to like both cards, but Sophia Chang has the low Ohtani and Tatis PRs so far. So maybe she didn't actually do a good job with those subjects.

How the Jonas Never Charlie Blackmon didn't break 1000 [both as a cool work of art and 1st Rockies card] boggles my mind.

The problem is Topps would then be forcing print runs even lower, which they aren’t going to do.

Cards like the Charlie Blackmon should sell for more than 1,000 but it seems that other than a few artists, people are collecting based on the player choice, not the art.

Topps has been trying to market the set, and the All-Star cards were a nifty addition, but there just isn’t enough excitement to convince people to refresh the Topps page every day.

I’m glad this set exists because I’ll take the artist rendition of Mariners every day over Topps just doing variations of the same photo, but man this set needs a hype moment.

[cnote81]

Originally Posted by 80s Kid

The problem is Topps would then be forcing print runs even lower, which they aren’t going to do.

Cards like the Charlie Blackmon should sell for more than 1,000 but it seems that other than a few artists, people are collecting based on the player choice, not the art.

Topps has been trying to market the set, and the All-Star cards were a nifty addition, but there just isn’t enough excitement to convince people to refresh the Topps page every day.

I’m glad this set exists because I’ll take the artist rendition of Mariners every day over Topps just doing variations of the same photo, but man this set needs a hype moment.

I like Jonas Never. I have his Randy, Ruth and Griffey. The Bob Ross reference was cute. But I'm several hundred project cards deep and I don't need a Charlie Blackmon.

[kevbojones]

Liberating to be all but finished with this set aside from Siff and Pardee runs

I do enjoy seeing what comes out every day though

[vermonty]

On today's cards:

We all saw that Tatis, it's good, cool, interesting and what we were hoping for. I have a soft spot for 1989 Topps as well.

I was caught off guard by the Trout because DJ Skee usually pumps up his cards here with his thought process and gimmicks and connection to an album. All I can recall from this week was the Chicago cards available at the national. That said, the card itself is a neat Project 2020 style Trout card, though the inset slabs are a little goofy to me.

The Betts is very blue, somewhat comical and nothing to write home about. But it's the best Blue the Great card by far, and we haven't seen him for a while.

The Mays is also very blue and I'm not sure what's going on here. I did just get the POSE Frank Thomas AP in the mail today and I'm very pleased with it, probably more than I would be with the Henderson or Jeter (sorry cnote81). But he's an inconsistent artist to me.

Since I'm collecting Mays, I talked myself into a 4-pack. Might be an expensive week, because I think I want the Gumstickstudios.com Gibson, too.

9/12 so far this week.

[1000 Sport Zonk]

Originally Posted by cnote81

POSE keeps drifting further away from his artwork outside the project. Today's card doesn't need to exist. If he doesn't care about his P70 contributions, why should we? I was really into his Rickey, then wasted money on his Kaline and Jeter APs. I regret those purchases more than any other since I started collecting P2020.

I personally have grown to really like POSEs set and I think it will be one I look to complete after having to take a while to warm up to it. And I think this Mays card will look just fine in the completed run. Granted it doesnt feature any illustrative elements, and isnt much of a collage, but I think it stays true to his vibrant style with the orange/black diamond pattern and contrasting blue tinted Mays. I also wouldn't be so quick to say its evidence of disinterest in the set either, perhaps POSE was just infatuated with this photo of Mays and didnt want to alter it too much or add anymore more flare then he felt necessary. I think the results are a real dramatic presentation of Mays that is absolutely worth existing.

[cnote81]

Originally Posted by 1000 Sport Zonk

I personally have grown to really like POSEs set and I think it will be one I look to complete after having to take a while to warm up to it. And I think this Mays card will look just fine in the completed run. Granted it doesnt feature any illustrative elements, and isnt much of a collage, but I think it stays true to his vibrant style with the orange/black diamond pattern and contrasting blue tinted Mays. I also wouldn't be so quick to say its evidence of disinterest in the set either, perhaps POSE was just infatuated with this photo of Mays and didnt want to alter it too much or add anymore more flare then he felt necessary. I think the results are a real dramatic presentation of Mays that is absolutely worth existing.

Well I'm glad that you enjoy it then! It's just not what I'm looking for in the project. To me, his work has steadily gone from his typical collage style to (seemingly) hastily photoshopped Getty images, which I think there are just too much of in P70. Whether that represents a lack of interest is just inference on my part.

[kevbojones]

"hastily photoshopped Getty images"

Project 70 in a nutshell.

Some artists are crushing it though for sure.

[balraven]

Originally Posted by 80s Kid

The problem is Topps would then be forcing print runs even lower, which they aren’t going to do.

Cards like the Charlie Blackmon should sell for more than 1,000 but it seems that other than a few artists, people are collecting based on the player choice, not the art.

Topps has been trying to market the set, and the All-Star cards were a nifty addition, but there just isn’t enough excitement to convince people to refresh the Topps page every day.

I’m glad this set exists because I’ll take the artist rendition of Mariners every day over Topps just doing variations of the same photo, but man this set needs a hype moment.

I agree on the "limiting" of players, but to an extent. I.e. mega stars like Trout, Tatis, Acua, Griffey, Jeter, Babe, Mantle should not be limited. If all 51 artists want to do those guys, go for it. The ones that need to be limited are the guys like Jerry Manuel, Dock Ellis, Brett Phillips, this Jared Weaver, if Blake's Bobby Valentine gets the go-ahead, Bobby Valentine. Maybe have 3 or 4 categories -- the Trouts/Tatis/Babe group of 1x PER artist, the middle ground of Hall of Famers and current stars like Ripken, Nolan, Mookie and Bellinger (already have too many Mookie's and Bellingers) maybe those are limited to 10-12 total artist releases. Some lesser guys that are limited to 4 or 5, and then guys like Jerry Manuel and Brett Phillips who we only need ONE of.