WWE Discussion thread- Raw/SD/PPV

[CharlieHustle]

Originally Posted by fazzle

Am I the only one that REALLY hated the ending to Raw? Sure, the match was good, but god that ending was awful. Using a gimmicked cinder block for that spot suddenly turns this feud into a f'n cartoon. Thats one spot where suspension of disbelief just doesnt work. You expect me to believe that Rollins can stomp hard enough to cause another man's head to break a damn cinder block? What is he, The Incredible Hulk?

I didn't like it, but understood why they did it. It's a blood feud and they needed a reason for Ambrose to be gone for a couple of weeks. After he fought through a previous backstage curbstomp and the shoulder injuries, they needed a real big injury angle to sell him being gone.
Did you see where WWE is reporting that Ambrose is nowhere to be found and he's refusing medical attention? When he comes back in a couple of weeks, he'll bring the intensity back to this feud and this whole thing will be forgotten.
The part that makes me cringe is that the crowd wasn't booing Rollins for what he did. So WWE may ramp up the cartoon acts of violence to start generating boos.
Another part of this feud that has me scratching my head, is that Rollins isn't appearing with any members of The Authority. Presumably, he's part of The Authority, which is why he left The Shield, but he does all his in ring work and promos, solo. I get that it's so they can build him as a singles competitor, but with all the Ambrose interferences, you'd think they would have Kane be at ringside. Was it explained at one time, why they never back him up, and I just missed it?

[mnvikingstwins]

Cena/Lesnar rematch at NoC. Why? After Eat Sleep Suplex Repeat, is Brock just supposed to squash Cena worse? 5 F-5s in a row with a few through tables or something?

[CC_123]

Originally Posted by mnvikingstwins

Cena/Lesnar rematch at NoC. Why? After Eat Sleep Suplex Repeat, is Brock just supposed to squash Cena worse? 5 F-5s in a row with a few through tables or something?

It'll be a better match because Cena will say something along the lines of "now I know what to expect so I will be prepared better this time around"

[sjim8660]

WWE is in a good position, they have a bunch of young talent. Reigns, Rollins, Ambrose, Dolph and Bryan. They are all guys who i see as legit top guys. Also the Wyatt family. Should be fun to see how these next few years play out with this new generation.

[Kingofkings1281]

I swear, if the WWE puts the title back on fruity pebbles a month after getting beat from bell to bell just so he can "overcome the odds" again, they will no longer be getting my $9.99 that they covet so much.

[CharlieHustle]

Originally Posted by Kingofkings1281

I swear, if the WWE puts the title back on fruity pebbles a month after getting beat from bell to bell just so he can "overcome the odds" again, they will no longer be getting my $9.99 that they covet so much.

If there's a stipulation to the match, then Cena wins, but ONLY so Rollins can cash in on Cena and Lesnar can keep his heat.
If Cena does win, it'll be something goofy, like the duct tape finish, where he "outsmarts" Lesnar.
IMO, though, Lesnar should beat Cena worse than he did at Summerslam. Make him appear badder than he already does.

[GoJays]

Originally Posted by CC_123

It'll be a better match because Cena will say something along the lines of "now I know what to expect so I will be prepared better this time around"

I'm thinking Cena will play up the "rubber match" angle, that each has beaten the other once, and that they're going into a fair fight.

Hopefully Cena will be destroyed worse than Sunday, I'd love to see Lesnar's reign be a long and Cena-less one.

[mnvikingstwins]

Originally Posted by GoJays

I'm thinking Cena will play up the "rubber match" angle, that each has beaten the other once, and that they're going into a fair fight.

Hopefully Cena will be destroyed worse than Sunday, I'd love to see Lesnar's reign be a long and Cena-less one.

They should make it an I Quit match then.

[dlouisb1313]

Originally Posted by sjim8660

WWE is in a good position, they have a bunch of young talent. Reigns, Rollins, Ambrose, Dolph and Bryan. They are all guys who i see as legit top guys. Also the Wyatt family. Should be fun to see how these next few years play out with this new generation.

At the rate they're going this future generation won't even be wrestling.Ziggler had huge momentum going,won the title got a concussion and he's never to be heard from again.

[mnvikingstwins]

Originally Posted by dlouisb1313

At the rate they're going this future generation won't even be wrestling.Ziggler had huge momentum going,won the title got a concussion and he's never to be heard from again.

Well, he is IC champ now...

[mikecamp99]

Originally Posted by CharlieHustle

If there's a stipulation to the match, then Cena wins, but ONLY so Rollins can cash in on Cena and Lesnar can keep his heat.
If Cena does win, it'll be something goofy, like the duct tape finish, where he "outsmarts" Lesnar.
IMO, though, Lesnar should beat Cena worse than he did at Summerslam. Make him appear badder than he already does.

I highly doubt WWE would have their golden boy win his record tying 16th title, only to have it taken away in a matter of minutes. The WWE will want to shower him with praise and glory the next night on RAW, so I don't see this happening.

Originally Posted by mnvikingstwins

They should make it an I Quit match then.

I think the smart thing to do would be have it a Last Man Standing match. Have Lesnar and Heyman gloat over the fact Cena could barely get up during their last match and he's lucky Lesnar pinned him when he did otherwise the beatdown would have left him paralyzed. This leads into that stipulation and we have several weeks of a verbal war again between Cena and Heyman about who will leave the other unable to get up at the end of NOC.

[mikecamp99]

I'm confused on who Seth Rollins is going to cash in one though. Does he turn face over the next couple of months and turn on the Authority and cash in on Lesnar? Does Ambrose win it from him in a stipulation match? (I think that idea is horrible, I don't like the idea of taking away the briefcase that won the initial match) Does Lesnar lose it to a face before Wrestlemania, and Rollins cashes in?

I'm going back on my post above and thinking what creative would do (get ready to roll your eyes). I still say Lesnar beats Cena at NoC, Cena takes some time off and then comes back to beat Lesnar either at Survivor Series or TLC. At that event Rollins cashes in becomes champ. The Authority revokes Cena's rematch clause and tells him the only way he gets his rematch is if he wins the Royal Rumble, and inserts him at like the first spot. Super Cena overcomes the odds and wins the RR, to go onto Wrestlemania and win his record breaking 17th championship.

This way they can promote the hell out of Mania and get buzz going for a possible record breaking night, and have their Golden Boy standing tall at the end. In the meantime Lesnar can still have a match with the Rock or Reigns (I would think the latter since there is no way the Rock comes back to not Main Event.)

[sjim8660]

One possibility is Lesnar decides to leave and before he does, he just lets Rollins pin him. That away Brock still keeps his hype and Rollins gets the belt. Brock would probably disappear for 8 months or so and Rollins can have a nice little run. Maybe Rollins will loose the belt to Reigns which would set up a Brock vs Reigns match a year down the road when Reigns is more polished in the ring. Heyman recently said Brock is about to have the greatest year of his wrestling career, which leads me to believe Brock will hold the belt for the whole year. Even if that means he signs another deal with WWE. Brock seems to be enjoying his angle of destroying everyone.

[7jacfire]

I think Cena will beat Lesnar at NOC no matter what match type they have. Then, at Hell in a Cell they have their rematch and Cena wins again, leading to Seth Rollins successfully cashing in on Cena. They fight over the course of the next few PPVs until Royal Rumble, where Lesnar returns and wins the championship back (after getting a rematch for no reason). Roman Reigns then wins the RR match and goes on to WM to beat Lesnar and become the new WWE Champion.

[GoJays]

Originally Posted by 7jacfire

I think Cena will beat Lesnar at NOC no matter what match type they have. Then, at Hell in a Cell they have their rematch and Cena wins again, leading to Seth Rollins successfully cashing in on Cena. They fight over the course of the next few PPVs until Royal Rumble, where Lesnar returns and wins the championship back (after getting a rematch for no reason). Roman Reigns then wins the RR match and goes on to WM to beat Lesnar and become the new WWE Champion.

Let's hope not. Cena beating Lesnar twice in a row isn't logical, and putting Roman Reigns over Lesnar would be one of the worst booking decisions in a while.

I hope Lesnar keeps the belt through WrestleMania. Have him nearly lose to Cena at NOC, Rollins come out, try to cash in, and one of the other Heyman guys (I'm thinking Cesaro) break up the match. At this point, with Lesnar holdinng the belt, a Heyman stable makes more sense than ever. Also, it could lead to a break-up and Cesaro getting the title at Mania.

[roro17]

Cesaro isn't a Heyman guy anymore.

[Rinkwraith]

NoC; Falls Count Anywhere/No DQ Match- Lesnar v. Cena....Cena manages the FU at the top of the ramp, but struggles to get up. Rollins emerges and hits Cena with the Curb Stomp allowing Lesnar to recover. Lesnar hits the F5 and 123.

Next night on Raw, Heyman and Lesnar do a monolgue on how Lesanr has broken the legendary Undertaker and Cena and their is nothing left to accomplish. Rollins cashes in and we have the second "finger of death" while the Authority celebrates.

Both Cena and Lesnar take some time off while Rollins/Cesaro/Reigns lead the next two months of programming.

[Gurds]

[Gurds]

Just read that Bryan needs Tommy John surgery and is expected to miss an additional 3 months.

[Aug06]

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I know its not the right place to post this but I figured this is where it would get the most exposure.....mods can move if they like but since it was the wrestling forum.

P.S....Punk will come back to defeat Lesner in a few months!

[CharlieHustle]

Originally Posted by mikecamp99

I'm confused on who Seth Rollins is going to cash in one though. Does he turn face over the next couple of months and turn on the Authority and cash in on Lesnar?

Rollins doesn't have to turn on the Authority, the Authority can double-cross Brock Lesnar. Lesnar would keep his heat if it takes Orton & Cesaro & Triple H & Rollins & Kane to beat him down, then Rollins cashes in. I've been speculating for a while now, that Cesaro will play a part in this and that's how we get to the rumored Cesaro/Lesnar match. Then sometime in February, Cesaro turns on Hunter and it's Triple H/Cesaro at Mania.
This is all being based on the rumor that Vince doesn't think Cesaro should get pushed, but Hunter thinks Cesaro should get pushed to the moon. If this is true, it would hint that Hunter/Cesaro will be working together closely in the near future, so Hunter can prove his point to Vince.

[mikecamp99]

Originally Posted by CharlieHustle

Rollins doesn't have to turn on the Authority, the Authority can double-cross Brock Lesnar. Lesnar would keep his heat if it takes Orton & Cesaro & Triple H & Rollins & Kane to beat him down, then Rollins cashes in. I've been speculating for a while now, that Cesaro will play a part in this and that's how we get to the rumored Cesaro/Lesnar match. Then sometime in February, Cesaro turns on Hunter and it's Triple H/Cesaro at Mania.
This is all being based on the rumor that Vince doesn't think Cesaro should get pushed, but Hunter thinks Cesaro should get pushed to the moon. If this is true, it would hint that Hunter/Cesaro will be working together closely in the near future, so Hunter can prove his point to Vince.

If that's the case then you can definitely bet on a HHH/Cesaro match. HHH loves to go against guys he thinks should get a big push (look at Shemus a couple years ago). Then Cesaro will be a multi-time WWE Champ, throw in some IC and US titles also!!

[BoxBreaker72]

Originally Posted by Gurds

Just read that Bryan needs Tommy John surgery and is expected to miss an additional 3 months.

Wow, I thought you were kidding when I first read this yesterday.. It's actually true..


This is just stupid bad luck at this point.

[CharlieHustle]

Originally Posted by mikecamp99

If that's the case then you can definitely bet on a HHH/Cesaro match. HHH loves to go against guys he thinks should get a big push (look at Shemus a couple years ago). Then Cesaro will be a multi-time WWE Champ, throw in some IC and US titles also!!

I know that some people may mistake what Triple H is doing as ego, but in fact, he is doing what every wrestler SHOULD be doing when they know their time is up. Only wrestle guys who are considered the future of the business and you put them over, big.
Any fan of Cesaro should be praying for a Cesaro/Triple H match, because Hunter will sell Cesaro, like he's the next Macho Man. If anyone is wondering where Cesaro's big push is going to come from, this is it.

[mogansportscards]

Here's how I think this will all play out (note this is how I think it will happen, not how I would write it myself). I think Lesnar easily beats Cena again at NOTC and holds the title until WrestleMania. Cena will lighten his work load--maybe even become a part timer himself? Let's not forget, he is pushing 40 and could pursue a career in Hollywood similar to The Rock. Plus, like him or hate him (I myself am rather indifferent toward him), you can't deny he has worked hard the last dozen years or so. It has to be taking a toll on him physically. An extended break or a move to part time could be what's best for Cena.

As for Lesnar, he gets the 80's era Hulk Hogan treatment. Pre-recorded promos and wrestling only occasionally, maybe even only at pay-per-views. Lets face it: it worked with Hogan in the 80's. A Hogan match felt special simply because you didn't see it often. This could work with Lesnar as well. Heyman will always be there to keep Lesnar's name fresh in peoples minds as well.

So in this fantasy booking Lesnar keeps the title until WrestleMania, where he loses it to Reigns. Rollins, seeing the beating Reigns just took in his victory, attempts to cash in, but is also defeated by Reigns, establishing Reigns as THE top face in the company.