PWCC Altered Cards Callout Thread - 1952 Topps Mantle etc

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by SPauthentic84

How do you guys think Brent and Betsy's week is going?

so many "newbs' in this thread, wondering if they're one of them

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Cubsfanp

Looks like whatever it was, has been lifted. I can see his status is fine now.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by SPauthentic84

How do you guys think Brent and Betsy's week is going?

I am guessing that privately they are getting major shows of support from their investor clients and other fanboys. And presumably the money keeps rolling in (thinking of song from Evita) along with tax-free assets for the vault.

[jucornett1]

Originally Posted by qdoggmets

Eh. That might not be exactly true.

Person X sells bad card to person Y at inflated price. Both know it is bad. Person Y takes the card and gets refunded money, both split profits.

They probably assess what fair market value for the card is. At least Beckett does. This is based on surrounding sales and other pointers.

Agree, that makes more sense and is completely logical

[KhalDrogo]

I am still trying to understand how somebody wins an auction by accident. Please help.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I am still trying to understand how somebody wins an auction by accident. Please help.

Bid wrong amount.
2 year old kid bid without dad realizing it.
Thought he needed the card but turns out he didn't.

[corndog]

1957 Topps #138 John Unitas RC

This card was sold by PWCC as a PSA Authentic Altered on July 23, 2018. Worthpoint link: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...tas-1949451990
This exact card (same cert #) was again sold by PWCC as a PSA Authentic Altered on Oct. 26, 2018. Worthpoint link: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...tas-1959890255
Same card sold by PWCC as a PSA-7.5 for $2,550 on March 24, 2019. Ebay link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-Topps-...p2047675.l2557

Card was cracked and resubmitted to PSA and it appears as if nothing was done to the card to further alter it other than a possible evening out of the top right corner. Looks like PSA failed to measure it the second time.

As a PSA-7.5




As a PSA Authentic Altered

[superdan49]

1948 Leaf #79 Jackie Robinson PSA 4.5 to PSA 6

Sold on 12/05/2016 as a PSA 4.5 by PWCC to whitman111 (Gary Moser) for $3,276
Consigned to PWCC as a PSA 6 and sold on 3/12/2019 for $11,600
Value gain of $8,324!

Here we have whitman111 purchasing a PSA 4.5 '48 Leaf Jackie Robinson rookie card from PWCC, cracking it out, cutting and sharpening the corners (and likely trimming the right edge), and also blackening a few print flaws. He then submitted it to PSA, which missed the alterations, awarding the card a PSA 6 grade. He then consigned the altered card to PWCC, which recently sold it. Please note: The PSA 4.5 was not in PWCC's Archive. I had to found it via Worthpoint.


https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...-rc-1843889788



https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1923092














Conclusion: This card has been altered.


Also, thanks for all the well wishes. I'm back from my one-day vacation!

[palmetto7]

Welcome back Dan!!! AND THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO FOR THE HOBBY!!!!!

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[Rooftop]

Originally Posted by superdan49

1948 Leaf #79 Jackie Robinson PSA 4.5 to PSA 6

Sold on 12/05/2016 as a PSA 4.5 by PWCC to whitman111 (Gary Moser) for $3,276
Consigned to PWCC as a PSA 6 and sold on 3/12/2019 for $11,600
Value gain of $8,324!

Here we have whitman111 purchasing a PSA 4.5 '48 Leaf Jackie Robinson rookie card from PWCC, cracking it out, cutting and sharpening the corners (and likely trimming the right edge), and also blackening a few print flaws. He then submitted it to PSA, which missed the alterations, awarding the card a PSA 6 grade. He then consigned the altered card to PWCC, which recently sold it. Please note: The PSA 4.5 was not in PWCC's Archive. I had to found it via Worthpoint.


https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...-rc-1843889788



https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1964848














Conclusion: This card has been altered.


Also, thanks for all the well wishes. I'm back from my one-day vacation!

While your at it, why don’t you show what PWCC earns on those sales as well

[superdan49]

Originally Posted by palmetto7

Welcome back Dan!!! AND THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO FOR THE HOBBY!!!!!

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Thanks! We have a great team here on BO. A lot of guys whose only goal is to rid the hobby of as much fraud as we possibly can.

[ThoseBackPages]

welcome back Danno!

[blackbears86]

Glad you are back Dan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Wiseguy917]

Originally Posted by Rooftop

While your at it, why don’t you show what PWCC earns on those sales as well

Why point the finger at PWCC only, what about PSA who are the grading professionals?

[parkerj33]

fyi, my net54 ban was also lifted today, once leon confirmed i have a real phone number with a real person's voice mail. all is well.

[KhalDrogo]

Welcome back Dan!

[superdan49]

Originally Posted by parkerj33

fyi, my net54 ban was also lifted today, once leon confirmed i have a real phone number with a real person's voice mail. all is well.

Everyone is coming back. Good news all around!

[pspa123]

There is a 2+ year gap between the Jackie 4.5 and 6. Is that consistent with other examples that have been posted?

[POKTRITON]

Welcome back Dan! Hopefully you and others can continue the momentum with this. I want my kids to enjoy this hobby without the corruption currently and that of the past

[superdan49]

Originally Posted by pspa123

There is a 2+ year gap between the Jackie 4.5 and 6. Is that consistent with other examples that have been posted?

It varies to be honest. Some it's only a few months. Others 2+ years. The 1948-49 Leaf set seems to be a favorite of his. I haven't even looked at Ted Williams or the SPs yet.

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by superdan49

It varies to be honest. Some it's only a few months. Others 2+ years. The 1948-49 Leaf set seems to be a favorite of his. I haven't even looked at Ted Williams or the SPs yet.

Lots of cards that aren't 2.5" x 3.5".

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by superdan49

It varies to be honest. Some it's only a few months. Others 2+ years. The 1948-49 Leaf set seems to be a favorite of his. I haven't even looked at Ted Williams or the SPs yet.

Chicles, Leaf FB, 52 and 55 Bowmans (baseball) might be fertile ground. Low pop Look N' See maybe.

[pspa123]

Do you guys think PWCC is purging its archive?

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by pspa123

Do you guys think PWCC is purging its archive?

They said they can in a minute, but they aren't going to. If they did, game over for them.

[superdan49]

Originally Posted by pspa123

Do you guys think PWCC is purging its archive?

My working assumption is that they simply missed certain items. They're all in WorthPoint though, so we do have full access.