Markets are trending down - But how far and for how long?

[pewe]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

I’m struggle to see your angle. If you do decide to sell it, can’t you just say, “This card was sent into PSA and the opinion of the grader that day was that this card was an 8.” Also, PSA 8 is Near Mint/Mint, so you should be able to list the card as such with a clear conscious.

Either way, the original point was brought up in regards to people who do not plan on selling.

Totally... I’ve been trying to figure out why my gut always said not to do this

Another reason came to mind: the advice we often share on BO... “don’t buy raw cards from people who obviously grade everything”...

Why do we give that advice? It’s because the general consensus is that’s likely to be a card below the normally accepted average raw condition of a card. And the perspective of those sellers has a negative vibe, because the quality of their wares is poor relative to average, yet they try to get full raw pricing for it.

I think I feel that jail breaking a <9 grade card, and then selling raw, is akin to those sellers that we all try to avoid.

To your point I can disclose heavily. But I feel at risk, even with the disclosure, that I’d be tainted by the same negative perception of those low quality sellers.


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[premium1981]

Originally Posted by ScooterMcRibs

Gem mint Griffey All Star Rookie just sold for around $370 shipped from a zero feedback seller. That's down fractionally from all-time highs but I wonder what the price would have been from an established seller. Bottom line, there is no down trend in blue chips like mint Griffeys. It doesn't exist, consolidation continues, these are the cards that will/are being accumulated for securitization.

Huh?

-Griffey sells for less
-Griffey down from all time highs
-There is no downturn
-Consolidation continues?

Just because you use the word "consolidation" does not mean there is no downtrend. You literally state in your post that there is, then say that there isn't. Cards selling for less than they were equals downtrend. Fairly straight forward.

[pewe]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Seems that my words have rattled some cages. The "un-fab 5" have pages of complaining, but the second they get challenged...they just cry a little louder. This is fun!

...and PEWE: I can't see your angle, at all. If you want to sell the card down the line, just be up completely up front when selling. "I bought this as an 8. Cracked it for my own enjoyment, but now Im forced to sell it". As the raw bois have said for years: Grading wont be a thing in the future and TRUE collectors never sell. So technically, you wont be selling the card anyways. Problem solved.

Good luck raw Bois! Hope they never need to sell.

I personally think selling should be important to any “TRUE” collector with a real world budget and evolving interests


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[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by VandyCards

I don’t grade my cards because I do not believe in it, this isn’t about money for me, and I think grading is a net negative for the hobby, so I don’t want to support it.

Saying it deprives my future heirs of a windfall doesn’t move the needle to me. These cards of mine (even the valuable ones) aren’t assets to me. Moreover my family knows how the google machine works, and if it turns out they think some of my detritus should be graded, more power to them.

There are many many many many better ways to spend my money to ensure my family has a nice cushion after I die anyway.


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That's your choice and more power to you, but I still don't understand your viewpoint, especially if you have "valuable cards" (and everyone has their own interpretation of a valuable card)

Let's say a grand each or more. Maybe you already left your loved ones plenty of $$$ and the cards are a throw away bonus?




My prospective:

raw card is worth $1000 raw
raw card graded, now a psa 9, could sell for potentially 2-3 times the raw value or more. No brainer for me. I'm grading the card. It's relatively inexpensive (or was) and the potential windfall out ways the risk.



again, not slamming the Non-graders, just trying to understand the logic

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I just call it how I see it. I don’t understand why so many people seem hell bent on being miserable when there are easy solutions to their problems.

Reminds me of the “kids can’t get into the hobby due to not being able to rip wax” crowd. Many of us have pointed out nearly a dozen (proven) ways for kids to enjoy the hobby today. But nope...that doesn’t fit the narrative that flippers suck. Instead of encouraging or finding avenues to enjoy the hobby...they would rather just complain about it.


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[pewe]

Originally Posted by FT35

[Mad Hatter] “Do you think I’ve gone round the bend?”

[Alice]”I’m afraid so. You’re mad, bonkers, completely off your head. But I’ll tell you a secret. All the best people are.”


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[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by pewe

Totally... I’ve been trying to figure out why my gut always said not to do this

Another reason came to mind: the advice we often share on BO... “don’t buy raw cards from people who obviously grade everything”...

Why do we give that advice? It’s because the general consensus is that’s likely to be a card below the normally accepted average raw condition of a card. And the perspective of those sellers has a negative vibe, because the quality of their wares is poor relative to average, yet they try to get full raw pricing for it.

I think I feel that jail breaking a <9 grade card, and then selling raw, is akin to those sellers that we all try to avoid.

To your point I can disclose heavily. But I feel at risk, even with the disclosure, that I’d be tainted by the same negative perception of those low quality sellers.


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I guess I understand a little better now. I wish there were more people in the hobby who were guided by their conscious. It just sounds like you’re beating yourself up over something that I don’t think you need to.

Now get back to posting cool Devers cards!

[blackbears86]

[QUOTE=MiamiMarlinsFan;17382185]I guess I understand a little better now. I wish there were more people in the hobby who were guided by their conscious. It just sounds like you’re beating yourself up over something that I don’t think you need to.

Now get back to posting cool Devers cards![/QUOTE]




Agree!

[splitrockgamer]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

I guess I understand a little better now. I wish there were more people in the hobby who were guided by their conscious. It just sounds like you’re beating yourself up over something that I don’t think you need to.

Now get back to posting cool Devers cards!

And Bellinger!

[AstrosFan17]

Originally Posted by mc1

He goes around the whole board posting his opinions as fact.

Guy thinks hes better and smarter than everyone.

That's because my opinions ARE fact - to me.

And I AM smarter than 99% of the people in this country according to every assessment test I've ever taken. I'm not sure about the forums, could be higher, could be lower.

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by AstrosFan17

That's because my opinions ARE fact - to me.

And I AM smarter than 99% of the people in this country according to every assessment test I've ever taken. I'm not sure about the forums, could be higher, could be lower.

Please provide said documentation, Einstein.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by thenwhatjk

The Khal vibes day after day never get old tho

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by AstrosFan17

That's because my opinions ARE fact - to me.

And I AM smarter than 99% of the people in this country according to every assessment test I've ever taken. I'm not sure about the forums, could be higher, could be lower.

This is Blowout. Not Mensa.

[VandyCards]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

That's your choice and more power to you, but I still don't understand your viewpoint, especially if you have "valuable cards" (and everyone has their own interpretation of a valuable card)

Let's say a grand each or more. Maybe you already left your loved ones plenty of $$$ and the cards are a throw away bonus?




My prospective:

raw card is worth $1000 raw
raw card graded, now a psa 9, could sell for potentially 2-3 times the raw value or more. No brainer for me. I'm grading the card. It's relatively inexpensive (or was) and the potential windfall out ways the risk.



again, not slamming the Non-graders, just trying to understand the logic

Because I fundamentally disagree with grading. I think it is bad for the hobby. I do not want to encourage it or play along.

And just because a thing has value, doesn’t mean I have to act like those folks who assign it value.

And the cards I’m talking about are BCA of Soto/Acuna/Tatis/etc and some nice RC parallels.


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[pewe]

Originally Posted by splitrockgamer

And Bellinger!

Ugh... so sad I had to sell some of my key cards to fund some home projects

His injury was a blessing in disguise, as it means I still have a bunch when folks stopped buying


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[PDCCollectibles]

Originally Posted by AstrosFan17

That's because my opinions ARE fact - to me.

And I AM smarter than 99% of the people in this country according to every assessment test I've ever taken. I'm not sure about the forums, could be higher, could be lower.

I think "Joe" is back....I smell PBM with this comment

[ThoseBackPages]

still losing auctions

[crpav]

Luis Robert I have noticed some still strong. Baller still up there and May 25 an orange PSA 10 sapphire auto sold for 34,000? This for real? How much should I expect for my raw Tatis? Bundle it with my green and 2 raw base sapphires.

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by AstrosFan17

That's because my opinions ARE fact - to me.

“You are entitled to your own opinions/ not to your own facts”

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

still losing auctions

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[CharlieHustle]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

I’m struggle to see your angle. If you do decide to sell it, can’t you just say, “This card was sent into PSA and the opinion of the grader that day was that this card was an 8.” Also, PSA 8 is Near Mint/Mint, so you should be able to list the card as such with a clear conscious.

Either way, the original point was brought up in regards to people who do not plan on selling.

I see Pewe's point.
I agree, in theory, with it.

What would keep people from taking a random group of 10 NM cards and saying "these were all 8's from PSA, but I cracked them out of the slabs"?
What difference does the flip make? It could have just been taken from a legit PSA 8.

[CharlieHustle]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Seems that my words have rattled some cages. The "un-fab 5" have pages of complaining, but the second they get challenged...they just cry a little louder. This is fun!

...and PEWE: I can't see your angle, at all. If you want to sell the card down the line, just be up completely up front when selling. "I bought this as an 8. Cracked it for my own enjoyment, but now Im forced to sell it". As the raw bois have said for years: Grading wont be a thing in the future and TRUE collectors never sell. So technically, you wont be selling the card anyways. Problem solved.

I don't think anyone here plans to be buried with their cards.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by CharlieHustle

What would keep people from taking a random group of 10 NM cards and saying "these were all 8's from PSA, but I cracked them out of the slabs"?
What difference does the flip make? It could have just been taken from a legit PSA 8.

For sure, it would just be for pewe to have a clear conscious when he sells. That’s all. In the end, no one should ever have high expectations when buying raw.

[actionbryan]

Low end baseball seller here.

Recently all of my sales have one player in common, and I guess the buyers don't seem to mind that he is currently inactive.

I guess that is a good cue to refocus who I collect

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by actionbryan

Low end baseball seller here.

Recently all of my sales have one player in common, and I guess the buyers don't seem to mind that he is currently inactive.

I guess that is a good cue to refocus who I collect

TROUTY!!!