American League MVP

[pewe]

Originally Posted by Giancarlo27

Sorry but the MVP is still Ohtani. He provides so much value for the team sitting on the bench and scratching his balls on his off days from pitching, while another roster spot can be used for a utility guy.

-Some guy who owns 3 Ohtani 2018 TC autos, probably

This flexibility is incalculably valuable… of course he deserves the MVP


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[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by rman112

The Baseball Gods are on his side this year!

How many games did it take?

[SGC300ier]

Originally Posted by NHRonin

I’m supposed to hate the Yankees, but I’m going with Judge. Hell, he may win the Triple Crown.

but, but, but, where does he rank in Exit Velo? How about Hits on Sundays with Less than 2 outs?

These are the #'s that matter. Not those silly Batting Average, Homeruns, RBI, or ALL of the categories he leads in.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by SGC300ier

but, but, but, where does he rank in Exit Velo? How about Hits on Sundays with Less than 2 outs?

These are the #'s that matter. Not those silly Batting Average, Homeruns, RBI, or ALL of the categories he leads in.

Best exit velocity in the league this year. Weird, great hitter makes hard contact, does really well.

[mwheeler27]

I wonder...

You and a complete stranger are standing side by side. You are about to be managers of your own team for a 1 game, winner takes all match. You each get to draft your team picking one player at a time until you have a full roster of ONLY 9 players. The two players that must be chosen in the first round are Ohtani and Judge. After the first round, you can choose from any remaining current MLB player that hasn't already been chosen.

The stakes are high! - The loser loses every material possession he has and has to give it to the winner while the reputation of being a loser haunts you for the rest of your life.

Rock/paper/scissors...YOU win! Who do you pick first?

[SGC300ier]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Best exit velocity in the league this year. Weird, great hitter makes hard contact, does really well.

That is weird...well let me think of something to discredit him....how many people has he struck out this year? Oh none? OHTANI MVP!

I'm kidding of course. Judge should win and it shouldn't be close. P.S. I own 0 cards of relevance of either player.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by mwheeler27

I wonder...

You and a complete stranger are standing side by side. You are about to be managers of your own team for a 1 game, winner takes all match. You each get to draft your team picking one player at a time until you have a full roster of ONLY 9 players. The two players that must be chosen in the first round are Ohtani and Judge. After the first round, you can choose from any remaining current MLB player that hasn't already been chosen.

The stakes are high! - The loser loses every material possession he has and has to give it to the winner while the reputation of being a loser haunts you for the rest of your life.

Rock/paper/scissors...YOU win! Who do you pick first?

Ohtani, because he's going to be the starting pitcher and bat 2nd in the lineup.

[THE(NEXT)LEVEL]

Originally Posted by mwheeler27

I wonder...

You and a complete stranger are standing side by side. You are about to be managers of your own team for a 1 game, winner takes all match. You each get to draft your team picking one player at a time until you have a full roster of ONLY 9 players. The two players that must be chosen in the first round are Ohtani and Judge. After the first round, you can choose from any remaining current MLB player that hasn't already been chosen.

The stakes are high! - The loser loses every material possession he has and has to give it to the winner while the reputation of being a loser haunts you for the rest of your life.

Rock/paper/scissors...YOU win! Who do you pick first?

Depends on the year....and also this obviously would be Ohtani as a hitter, since you are drafting a full team. He wouldn't be your starting pitcher. DH is in play I assume

[theshowandme]

Judge hitting a homer off Ohtani: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U-KBqgWb4c

Judge robbing Ohtani of a homer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8f-5Gjv86Ys

[zworykin]

Originally Posted by THE(NEXT)LEVEL

DH is in play I assume

Why would you assume that when he explicitly said 9 players?

[asw37]

Originally Posted by zworykin

Why would you assume that when he explicitly said 9 players?

So DH is in the AL and NL but not in this imaginary game?

[JoshMN]

Originally Posted by theshowandme

Judge hitting a homer off Ohtani: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U-KBqgWb4c

Judge robbing Ohtani of a homer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8f-5Gjv86Ys

So Judge wins the head-to-head matchup in addition to having the better overall stats...

[oldgoldy97]

Now show a clip of Ohtani robbing Judge.

[Boo]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Ohtani, because he's going to be the starting pitcher and bat 2nd in the lineup.

So he’d pitch 6 innings, give up at least 2 runs and go 0-4 at the plate.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by Boo

So he’d pitch 6 innings, give up at least 2 runs and go 0-4 at the plate.

I don’t think he bats when he pitches, does he?

So you either get 6 and 2 or 0-4

Maybe a solo dong.

[THE(NEXT)LEVEL]

Originally Posted by asw37

So DH is in the AL and NL but not in this imaginary game?

yep...exactly my point. It's not even worth debating because it is fictional.

[mwheeler27]

Obviously both pitchers have to bat, (unless a team wanted to take an automatic out).

Equally obviously - Judge can pitch if he wants.

"Only 9 players per team".

If you guys want to compare Judge and Ohtani head to head, let's let both bat and pitch against each other.

I know, I know...this thread isn't about who the better all around player is. It's about this year's MVP. I'm just pointing out that I believe, statistically and hypothetically speaking, on a team with only 9 players, Ohtani is likely the most valuable and most sought after player...this year, last year, and next year.

Hypotheticals suck, but sometimes they're fun to ponder.

[mwheeler27]

Originally Posted by THE(NEXT)LEVEL

yep...exactly my point. It's not even worth debating because it is fictional.

It's not worth debating because it's so obvious who the most valuable player would be given how often Ohtani would be chosen first.

[mwheeler27]

I like them both. I collect them both. Judge is absolutely tearing it up! He deserves the MVP.

What a fun season this is!

[THE(NEXT)LEVEL]

Originally Posted by mwheeler27

Obviously both pitchers have to bat, (unless a team wanted to take an automatic out).

Equally obviously - Judge can pitch if he wants.

"Only 9 players per team".

If you guys want to compare Judge and Ohtani head to head, let's let both bat and pitch against each other.

I know, I know...this thread isn't about who the better all around player is. It's about this year's MVP. I'm just pointing out that I believe, statistically and hypothetically speaking, on a team with only 9 players, Ohtani is likely the most valuable and most sought after player...this year, last year, and next year.

Hypotheticals suck, but sometimes they're fun to ponder.

A good pitcher on a 9 man team(8 hitters) isn't guaranteed to lose to a 9 man team with a dual player like Ohtani. What if the former team shuts out Ohtani's team. Then he would look worse in this scenario.

[pewe]

Originally Posted by mwheeler27

I wonder...

You and a complete stranger are standing side by side. You are about to be managers of your own team for a 1 game, winner takes all match. You each get to draft your team picking one player at a time until you have a full roster of ONLY 9 players. The two players that must be chosen in the first round are Ohtani and Judge. After the first round, you can choose from any remaining current MLB player that hasn't already been chosen.

The stakes are high! - The loser loses every material possession he has and has to give it to the winner while the reputation of being a loser haunts you for the rest of your life.

Rock/paper/scissors...YOU win! Who do you pick first?

These teams have no relief pitching??? Ohtani definitely not getting drafted to either team. You'd go with a pitcher you most reliably assume could go the whole game with pretty good performance. And Ohtani isn't good enough to take any other role on those rosters.

A wonder: do you draft two pitchers in this setup? Maybe that is where Ohtani sneaks in.

[theshowandme]

Since 1900, the only players to finish top 2 in each category (BA, HR, and RBI) and NOT win the MVP?

1901 Nap Lajoie (Triple Crown, no MVP award)
1905 Cy Seymour (No MVP award)
1908 Honus Wagner (No MVP award)
1945 Tommy Holmes (Led league in HR and RBI and missed the triple crown by 0.003)

[Robles Fan]

Originally Posted by theshowandme

Since 1900, the only players to finish top 2 in each category (BA, HR, and RBI) and NOT win the MVP?

1901 Nap Lajoie (Triple Crown, no MVP award)
1905 Cy Seymour (No MVP award)
1908 Honus Wagner (No MVP award)
1945 Tommy Holmes (Led league in HR and RBI and missed the triple crown by 0.003)

I believe that back during the earlier days of baseball (i.e. early 1900’s) they used to award the best player with something called the Chalmers Award which was basically a type of car. The MVP (as it is today) didn’t come into existence until decades later.

[mwheeler27]

Originally Posted by THE(NEXT)LEVEL

A good pitcher on a 9 man team(8 hitters) isn't guaranteed to lose to a 9 man team with a dual player like Ohtani. What if the former team shuts out Ohtani's team. Then he would look worse in this scenario.

100% correct. Definitely not a guarantee. Any team can beat any other team on a given day.

Statistically speaking though, 9 good hitters probably out perform 8 good hitters more often than not.

I'm assuming then, given your responses, you would choose Judge first over Ohtani. Interesting.

Originally Posted by pewe

These teams have no relief pitching??? Ohtani definitely not getting drafted to either team. You'd go with a pitcher you most reliably assume could go the whole game with pretty good performance. And Ohtani isn't good enough to take any other role on those rosters.

A wonder: do you draft two pitchers in this setup? Maybe that is where Ohtani sneaks in.

In a 1 game, winner takes all, I think Ohtani could go deeper than what he normally does.

But yes, we could look at it from your second point that Ohtani could be the 2nd best pitcher on the team, and your team still has 8 very good hitters like the other team, except now Ohtani's team has 2 very good pitchers. Judge's team can't likely have 2 good pitchers and 8 good hitters.

I just don't see a way to make Judge's 9-man team equal to or better than Ohtani's. If true, then the outlier making Ohtani's team better is none other than Ohtani himself.

[THE(NEXT)LEVEL]

Originally Posted by mwheeler27

100% correct. Definitely not a guarantee. Any team can beat any other team on a given day.

Statistically speaking though, 9 good hitters probably out perform 8 good hitters more often than not.

I'm assuming then, given your responses, you would choose Judge first over Ohtani. Interesting.

No I wouldn't even choose in this scenario. I don't do hypotheticals, just like comparing players in different eras. The next thing you have to consider is that there is no guarantee that 9 good hitters outperform 8, IF the team with 8 has a lights out pitcher. I don't think statistically that you can assume that, just because a team has an extra hitter. What if that team had the hypothetical best pitcher ever on it.