Warning: Probstein123 Selling Trimmed Jordan/Lebron Dual Autograph

[ThoseBackPages]

even though the card appears to be trimmed, it is in no way a "piece of crap" lol

[I only pull for]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

even though the card appears to be trimmed, it is in no way a "piece of crap" lol

It is to someone wanting a PSA 9 and ends up with an altered card instead.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by I only pull for

It is to someone wanting a PSA 9 and ends up with an altered card instead.

i hear ya. but i doubt anyone is specifically collecting PSA 9's of MJ/Bron Duals

[ThoseBackPages]

someone with free time should do the math and see how many total MJ/Bron NBA sual autos have ever been made. Since they've not been made in at least eight years, im sure that number is not all too large (not TINY either), with the number of available pieces shrinking daily as they disappear into PCs around the world

[6celtics33]

Originally Posted by I only pull for

It is to someone wanting a PSA 9 and ends up with an altered card instead.

It’s just his way of saying even trimmed psa cards are amazing and #1

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by 6celtics33

It’s just his way of saying even trimmed psa cards are amazing and #1

this is the truth!

they are #1 by a mile. Even though they are #1, they still make mistakes, which is what happened here.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

this is the truth!

they are #1 by a mile. Even though they are #1, they still make mistakes, which is what happened here.

You're nothing but a shill. #Enjoythecashshill

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by mc1

You're nothing but a shill. #Enjoythecashshill

#SendMeTheCashPlease!

[hairyangryfella]

Originally Posted by pigeonsbaseball

I did. Referenced this thread so he could see how much obvuuous the trim job is..


Rick Probstein response:


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New message from: probstein123 Top Rated Seller(461,986RedShooting Star)


“we hold by psa over the forums...if psa contacts us then we remove the listing...not because of the forums...
they should contact psa if they think psa made an error”


I’m not sure how quickly PSA will look at this especially during the holiday so maybe if some other folks contact jim he may consider pulling the auction or dong something..

I 100% expected that response. It's graded, so it's not their responsibility. Even though it has obviously been altered. Someone with morals should pull it and give it back to the consignor, or actually do more to help the hobby and look into them further. But business is business.....

[I only pull for]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

i hear ya. but i doubt anyone is specifically collecting PSA 9's of MJ/Bron Duals

You're right no one collects PSA 9 Jordans, but I'm sure they hoard altered Jordans. I mean according to the most ethical seller in the hobby, the PSA 9 is pop 1.
There are people in this hobby who do collect licensed dual on-card autos of hall of famers and want the nicest copy available, and will pay big money for them. Myself included...

I'm not slamming or piling on PSA for missing it, BGS and PSA miss stuff like this sometimes.
With that said, I will question any card PSA ever sends back to me as trimmed or minimum size. I guess those standards aren't there for every submitter, or this little diamond wouldn't have slipped through.

For the seller to knowingly let the auction keep running after the damning evidence provided is about as bad as the POS that trimmed the card in my opinion.

If someone still needs PSA to tell them this card has been trimmed they need to have their eyes checked. The visual evidence provided by the OP should be enough evidence to any idiot with a pair of working eyes.

[ThoseBackPages]

yes, the way that listing is being handled is probably not ethical.

as for PSA "missing" something. there is no doubt that card appears to be small. if it's still in the required size range, then it is properly graded.

neither company is perfect, both make mistakes

[theworm]

Originally Posted by SPauthentic84

You buy it then

I won't be buying simply because I can't afford it. However, this card may be altered but it is still a card that I think 95% of the collecting community would kill to have in their collection.

[cking]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

yes, the way that listing is being handled is probably not ethical.

as for PSA "missing" something. there is no doubt that card appears to be small. if it's still in the required size range, then it is properly graded.

neither company is perfect, both make mistakes

All this does is just prove how terrible these companies are. Anyone who collects graded cards who sees this has to wonder if the stuff in thier collection is actually in the condition these grading companies say it is is.

This post does not do much for your pro grading stance, you are aware of that right?

In fact, it proves the point for people who think that grading is a joke and cash grab by these so called 'experts' as PSA and BGS.

I will agree with you on one thing though. BGS is way worse then PSA.

I will dig up some outright joke grades given out by BGS and post them up in a little while.

[ThoseBackPages]

believe it or not, when i get a card in the mail, i actually look at it. do i agree with the grade all the time? of course not

more power to those of you that have no issue buying raw cards, especially online.

ive done it a few times, but it's not for me

[6celtics33]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

yes, the way that listing is being handled is probably not ethical.

as for PSA "missing" something. there is no doubt that card appears to be small. if it's still in the required size range, then it is properly graded.

neither company is perfect, both make mistakes

This is exactly my point. They both do. So quit hyping one like it’s the end all be all for cards.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by 6celtics33

This is exactly my point. They both do. So quit hyping one like it’s the end all be all for cards.

but whats wrong with backing something you like?

[6celtics33]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

but whats wrong with backing something you like?

Nothing, but you go out of your way to put down other companies and pump the one you like. It’s not about you liking them. It’s your never ending pumping and attempted influence of others that bugs me. Let people like what they like.

If we ever get to where there is only one grading company, it will be over Johnny

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by 6celtics33

Nothing, but you go out of your way to put down other companies and pump the one you like. It’s not about you liking them. It’s your never ending pumping and attempted influence of others that bugs me. Let people like what they like.

If we ever get to where there is only one grading company, it will be over Johnny

i plan on working on this in 2018.

i agree monopolies are bad.

look, i even bought some bgs this year! lol

[cking]

Ok...I got some good laughs for you. All of these focus on centering. In my opinion centering is the first thing you see when you pick up a card. And I would assume the last thing that is seen before it is slabbed. Its right there in front of you and no jewelers loupe is needed like on the surface and edges. Granted there may be measurments taken if a card is close on centering but these examples really make you wonder just how qualified graders are.

Since I posted a Rodgers PSA I feel its only right to post a BGS Rodgers


Another 9.5 centering grade


And another


And last...in my opinion the worst looking card I have ever seen with a overall grade of 9.5 and a centering grade of 9.5...How in the world do you miss this...is that even possible? If this grade does not make you question the grades of your cards then I dont know what to tell you. If they missed the centering on this one I can only imagine what the surface is like on some of the cards they grade..This is downright pathetic. Pull your chair back from your computer screen a few feet if you really want the full effect of just how bad this is.

[tmacdirkfan]

Bump for scumbag probstein before the auction ends

[CCSportsCards]

Originally Posted by tmacdirkfan

Bump for scumbag probstein before the auction ends

not really at all on him. He has a PSA professionally graded card for sale....

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by CCSportsCards

not really at all on him. He has a PSA professionally graded card for sale....

Not all, but having a slabbed card does not ensure complete legitimacy, be it a fake slab or altered card placed in a fake slab. Additionally, being informed that it was an altered card and simply turning a cheek does place some blame on him.

He's essentially passing off the risk/headache to an unsuspecting customer.

[pigeonsbaseball]

Originally Posted by CCSportsCards

not really at all on him. He has a PSA professionally graded card for sale....

It is on him now that he knows that it is trimmed.

Now he is just perpetuating the fraud and making an excuse that someone on a board told him instead of PSA calling him to let him know

[I only pull for]

Originally Posted by CCSportsCards

not really at all on him. He has a PSA professionally graded card for sale....

How can anyone try to justify Probstein letting this card run it's course on auction?

Is Probstein blind or is he hiding behind the graded slab as an excuse to sell a card that he KNOWS is trimmed. I'm going with the latter. I'm going to start measuring cards I bought from him recently and if they're short they're going back.

He lost my business for good after letting this card continue on auction. He is a shady seller and that is putting it nicely.

[tyblain]

What kind of technology would you use to shave a card that precise? This whole post is just mind boggling to me....SMH