Long term hobby potential: Curry or KD?

[Ed Ande]

Both. No question, both elite both have made big accomplishments, records, rings, etc. both are Iconic both are buys. I cant really say anyone is better up to this point in terms of a better buy. I will say, this question shall be interesting at the end of their seasons. Who knows who is going to get more rings when its all said done

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

People are saying he’s not popular but leads in the popularity vote.

If you don’t see the irony in that then I don’t know what to say.

"Not popular" is being used in a relative sense. Of course he's popular, but All-Star voting isn't the be all end all of player popularity or future card prices.

Jokic and Embiid currently have more votes than Luka. Is it because they're more popular or because the voting structure and competition at those positions just happens to work out this way?

Last season AD was 4th and Harden 6th. Popular players, sure, but are either of them even close to as popular as their All-Star vote totals would indicate?

The season before that Kyrie was 3rd, one spot ahead of Curry. Was Kyrie really more popular than Curry... ever?

[rats60]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

Why Durant is leading the All-Star voting? Who cares? Let's run with the point that bringing this up is attempting to make... so he's more popular than Giannis, LeBron, Curry, and Luka... because he's leading the All-Star voting. Lol c'mon...

If you are looking to invest in his cards you should care. He is in the largest NBA market. The Knicks are a dumpster fire and have been for a long time. KD making a run to the finals and/or winning a championship is going to create demand for his cards. He is also in the mix for MVP.

Curry on the other hand is on a team whose championship window is closing. They had their run thanks to KD, but unless they can attract another big FA like Giannis, they are going to be struggling to get out of the first round. Curry is popular and his cards are going to be solid, but I don't see him adding much to his legacy. KD has more potential in my opinion.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

"Not popular" is being used in a relative sense. Of course he's popular, but All-Star voting isn't the be all end all of player popularity or future card prices.

Jokic and Embiid currently have more votes than Luka. Is it because they're more popular or because the voting structure and competition at those positions just happens to work out this way? Voting structure

Last season AD was 4th and Harden 6th. Popular players, sure, but are either of them even close to as popular as their All-Star vote totals would indicate? Yes

The season before that Kyrie was 3rd, one spot ahead of Curry. Was Kyrie really more popular than Curry... ever? Possibly. One had his own movie and legitimate shoe line then went kookie

There, I successfully accomplished what 95% of BO posters are incapable of: I answered the questions.

[Sjpwa]

Ask draymond... he knows

[amg2002]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

People are saying he’s not popular but leads in the popularity vote.

If you don’t see the irony in that then I don’t know what to say.

If you look at the voting, Durant SHOULD have more votes than Curry. When we get to vote, we have to choose from a selection of players, Durant in the Eastern Conference Frontcourt and Curry in the Western Conference guards. Who is taking votes from Durant in that category other than Giannis? Curry is fighting for votes against Luka, Ja, Lillard, Mitchell, Booker, CP....and still has almost as many as KD.

A Curry led team WITHOUT KD won 73 games in a season
A Curry led team WITHOUT KD won a title

How many titles does KD have without Curry?

And for something recent...did anyone watch last nights game? Teams have ONE guy to account for on offense for the Warriors and he can still put up games of 50+.

I get the talent that KD has, but there is just something different about Steph.

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by rats60

If you are looking to invest in his cards you should care. He is in the largest NBA market. The Knicks are a dumpster fire and have been for a long time. KD making a run to the finals and/or winning a championship is going to create demand for his cards. He is also in the mix for MVP.

Curry on the other hand is on a team whose championship window is closing. They had their run thanks to KD, but unless they can attract another big FA like Giannis, they are going to be struggling to get out of the first round. Curry is popular and his cards are going to be solid, but I don't see him adding much to his legacy. KD has more potential in my opinion.

I'd think LA would be the largest NBA market, followed by NYK. I don't know how that all shakes out with Brooklyn obviously being in the same state, but to me it'd be like comparing the Mets to the Yankees. I could be way off there.

The Warriors set the record for regular season wins before KD showed up and won a title a year before that. He helped, sure, but I'm not going to use that as a strike against Curry and the rest of the Warriors when KD is now on the same team as Kyrie and perennial top 2 MVP candidate Harden, and LeBron never won a title without also teaming up his own squad of All-Stars. For some reason having solid teammates is a strike against Curry but no one else when he's the only one to win one with a home grown roster.

My prediction: I don't think a ring and Finals MVP puts KD ahead of Curry in terms of card prices or any other meaningful player popularity metric. We're purely speculating at that point, but that's my prediction. He has more ground to make up than that. He'll get the Kawhi bump if he does, but that won't be enough.

[sebreg]

This is the thing for me, I would pay 10x more to watch Steph than Durant. I find him more entertaining. And I do think he makes his teammates better. In terms of adding to legacy at this point, that's the tricky question. Safish assmption is that Klay is never going to be the same, Warriors prob going to be stuck around 40-50 win teams that don't have shot at the chip. Could be wrong on that, and maybe with a few moves they could reemerge as contenders.

If the Nets solidify their bigs with some pick-ups, they are threats to win a title. Durant, as it stands right now, has a better chance to win more titles than Curry.

[Hess687]

Originally Posted by rats60

If you are looking to invest in his cards you should care. He is in the largest NBA market. The Knicks are a dumpster fire and have been for a long time. KD making a run to the finals and/or winning a championship is going to create demand for his cards. He is also in the mix for MVP.

Curry on the other hand is on a team whose championship window is closing. They had their run thanks to KD, but unless they can attract another big FA like Giannis, they are going to be struggling to get out of the first round. Curry is popular and his cards are going to be solid, but I don't see him adding much to his legacy. KD has more potential in my opinion.

[jgrann13]

Cant there room for both? Both are generational talents and should be appreciated in their primes. You will
never see another KD and you will never see another Steph. Buy them both and HOLD

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by jgrann13

Cant there room for both? Both are generational talents and should be appreciated in their primes. You will
never see another KD and you will never see another Steph. Buy them both and HOLD

There's definitely room for both. But after LeBron, somebody has to be 2, 3, 4, etc. I don't see anything wrong with KD being 3 the same way there's nothing wrong with Curry being 2, and on and on. I collect Ben Simmons, and I think it's unlikely he ever cracks top 5 among active players in terms of popularity or card price at any point in his career. And I'm okay with that.

Some of the points about the excitement of Curry's play style is why I never see KD catching him. He reminds me of Ken Griffey Jr. in terms of fan appeal. He just has that It factor. Card prices and player popularity aren't a math problem where simply having x number of rings, y number of MVPs, z number of points, etc. will get it done. I realize baseball and basketball aren't entirely similar in terms of what drives prices, but my point is that Curry's popularity goes beyond his body of work.

[jgrann13]

KD when healthy and fully rolling is the best scorer/player in the League behind Lebron hands down.

Steph is fun and sensational but between defense and efficiency he is no KD.

Both fantastic and true legends but KDs all around game is on another level - like him or not

[iloveturbos]

Originally Posted by elontusk1119

Who will sell better toward the later end of their career and post-retirement?

surprised to KD is the leading vote getter, thought his popularity took a hit.

Curry will likely break Ray Allen as an all-time 3-pt shooter. And his NT RPA /99 BGS 9 recently sold for a jaw dropping $345K!

In the long run, who has the greater investment potential between KD and Curry?

https://goldinauctions.com/mobile/Lo...entoryid=73267

Probably going to cry every night for the rest of my life for letting this go so early.

[Thebirdman321]

Lmao Steph is clearly higher on the all time greats list right now.

[lietuvalabas]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

I'd think LA would be the largest NBA market, followed by NYK. I don't know how that all shakes out with Brooklyn obviously being in the same state, but to me it'd be like comparing the Mets to the Yankees. I could be way off there.

The Warriors set the record for regular season wins before KD showed up and won a title a year before that. He helped, sure, but I'm not going to use that as a strike against Curry and the rest of the Warriors when KD is now on the same team as Kyrie and perennial top 2 MVP candidate Harden, and LeBron never won a title without also teaming up his own squad of All-Stars. For some reason having solid teammates is a strike against Curry but no one else when he's the only one to win one with a home grown roster.

My prediction: I don't think a ring and Finals MVP puts KD ahead of Curry in terms of card prices or any other meaningful player popularity metric. We're purely speculating at that point, but that's my prediction. He has more ground to make up than that. He'll get the Kawhi bump if he does, but that won't be enough.

i could be way off too...but this has always been my view of the Nets, like the knicks little brother marketwise. Im sure its way more popular than when they were in NJ, but yeah, i get a totally different vibe about brooklyn vs the knicks. I would venture to guess most growing up in new york everyone were knicks fans, and probably still die-hard even though they suck. I just envision the brooklyn fans to be 20 year olds who wear way too tight/short of jeans to show off their sneakerboi jordans, and probably use the word "fire" way too often.

[Zedlaw]

Curry is an absolute historical statistical outlier at what he does. More and future data crunching will only further bring to light his legacy. Durant is great, but every ten years we get a Durant. Nobody is matching peak Curry, nobody is winning 73 games. There’s a finals mvp every year. How many unanimous league mvps have there been. Curry is a 100 year storm. Enjoy him now because we will all be dead before we see his like again. Basketball just isn’t meant to be dominated by guys 6’3”.

[lietuvalabas]

Originally Posted by Zedlaw

Curry is an absolute historical statistical outlier at what he does. More and future data crunching will only further bring to light his legacy. Durant is great, but every ten years we get a Durant. Nobody is matching peak Curry, nobody is winning 73 games. There’s a finals mvp every year. How many unanimous league mvps have there been. Curry is a 100 year storm. Enjoy him now because we will all be dead before we see his like again. Basketball just isn’t meant to be dominated by guys 6’3”.

thats actually a really good take...forgot he was unanimous

[daeve]

KD had a shot to add to his legacy before he begged for his buddy Harden to join and create another superteam.

He just can't carry even a 'good/very good' team to postseason success, to the point where he's done trying. It's actually kind of sad he didn't even give it 1 full season.

[elontusk1119]

Originally Posted by iloveturbos

Probably going to cry every night for the rest of my life for letting this go so early.

Happened to the best of us, hope at least you got out at a decent enough point. No one ever thought Curry NT RPA /99 ... not even BGS 9.5 but a 9 would go for $345K .... if they say they saw it coming, they lie.

[sebreg]

Yeah, my view is you could tell the history of basketball without much focus on Durant. But you cannot tell the history of basketball without Curry. He transformed a generation of basketball, kind of significant ya know.

[JaMorEth]

As this market becomes more global, Curry will definitely rise above KD because China love sky f*cker. Plus he's the greatest shooter of all time so far. I think his long term appeal will make him the better pick hobby wise.

[daeve]

Originally Posted by sebreg

Yeah, my view is you could tell the history of basketball without much focus on Durant. But you cannot tell the history of basketball without Curry. He transformed a generation of basketball, kind of significant ya know.

Excellent way of putting it

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Since Durant is 7,000 points ahead of Curry?

That would be a no.

I was moreso referring to the winning more rings...


Look, no one really cares where you rank in all time point, unless you are #1.

Karl Malone is #2.

Moses Malone is #9

Evlin Hayes in #10


Heck, James Harden is 2,000 points behind Durant, 1 year younger, and has less wear and tear than KD. But I'm not going to say he'll ever come anywhere near KD even if he passes in him points, because...

-He has less Ship's than him
-He's less liked than him

If I had to compare KD to Steph, I'd say...

-He has less Ship's than him
-He's less liked than him

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by Zedlaw

Curry is an absolute historical statistical outlier at what he does. More and future data crunching will only further bring to light his legacy. Durant is great, but every ten years we get a Durant. Nobody is matching peak Curry, nobody is winning 73 games. There’s a finals mvp every year. How many unanimous league mvps have there been. Curry is a 100 year storm. Enjoy him now because we will all be dead before we see his like again. Basketball just isn’t meant to be dominated by guys 6’3”.

This is the perfect summary.

Curry simply has it. Durant doesn't. Curry is beloved. Durant is despised. His off-court persona is a guy who uses burner accounts to battle Twitter trolls. Durant has boxed himself into this legacy:

Thunder: Not good enough to win a title as the man.
Warriors: Championship chaser.
Nets: Needs two other superstars to compete.

Good luck overcoming that.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by amg2002

If you look at the voting, Durant SHOULD have more votes than Curry. When we get to vote, we have to choose from a selection of players, Durant in the Eastern Conference Frontcourt and Curry in the Western Conference guards. Who is taking votes from Durant in that category other than Giannis? Curry is fighting for votes against Luka, Ja, Lillard, Mitchell, Booker, CP....and still has almost as many as KD.

A Curry led team WITHOUT KD won 73 games in a season
A Curry led team WITHOUT KD won a title

How many titles does KD have without Curry?

And for something recent...did anyone watch last nights game? Teams have ONE guy to account for on offense for the Warriors and he can still put up games of 50+.

I get the talent that KD has, but there is just something different about Steph.

If Curry isn't better than those guys, that is the problem. People will forget and chase the next hot player.

Curry led team won 73 games and lost in the Finals.
Curry led team beat a Cavs team missing 2 if their top 3 players and still lost 2 games to them and Curry wasn't finals MVP. When the Cavs were at full strength, the Cavs beat them.


Durant led team beat that same Cavs team 8 of 9 games in 2 Finals with Durant out playing LeBron on both ends of the floor and Durant winning both Finals MVP.

Sure Curry has 3 rings and Durant only 2, but Durant has potential to win more and this is what was asked.

Durant also has 2 Finals MVPs and Curry has 0.

Right now Curry has a higher position in the hobby, but Durant has more potential for the future, winning MVPs titles, Finals MVPs and hitting career milestones.