Chris Simms top 40 QBs for 2023

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

Given your track record, why you gotta do Russ dirty like that?

It's official.

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by marinocollector

Youre being a great thrower of a tantrum right now.

Ok.

I giggled.

[jplarson]

Originally Posted by marinocollector

Youre being a great thrower of a tantrum right now.

Despite my love of all things Chicago and dislike of Dan Marino, I snort/laughed at that one!

[Derekbauer]

Originally Posted by Eagle

I disagree. Daniel Jones had 15 touchdown passes last year. Cousins and Dak had 29, Dak had 23 in 11 games. For reference, the Eagles backup QB Marcus Mariota had as many touchdowns as Daniel Jones.

And this is why he makes the lists this way. To get engagement "this guy is crazy"

And then we get crazy people defending it.

I'd wager anything that both of these QBs ranked below Daniel Jones "again" will beat his stats out pretty handily this year. We have seen enough of each of these QB's to know they potential at this point. Danie Jones is going into year 5 as a starting QB with 60 passing TDs in 53 career and we are still talking his alleged potential/ceiling.

Jones had 700 rushing yards and 7 rushing Tds. I’m always amazed when people bring up Jones’ lack of passing TDs like it’s the say all end all of his season. He’s also had a different offensive coordinator every season.

You also have to look at the talent around these guys as well. Cousins has a top 3 WR in the league. Dak pretty close with Lamb. I am very confident to say that Jones hasn’t even had a top 50 WR his past four seasons.

I’m not saying there’s this huge gap between any of them but to say it’s “ridiculous” that Jones ranks higher is in fact, ridiculous.

[Eagle]

Originally Posted by Derekbauer

Jones had 700 rushing yards and 7 rushing Tds. I’m always amazed when people bring up Jones’ lack of passing TDs like it’s the say all end all of his season. He’s also had a different offensive coordinator every season.

You also have to look at the talent around these guys as well. Cousins has a top 3 WR in the league. Dak pretty close with Lamb. I am very confident to say that Jones hasn’t even had a top 50 WR his past four seasons.

I’m not saying there’s this huge gap between any of them but to say it’s “ridiculous” that Jones ranks higher is in fact, ridiculous.

You are entitled to your own opinion. But neither Dak nor Cousins have these weapons their entire careers. Ok, so Jones had 22 total touchdowns last year? Still lower than those other guys. Cousins has 25+ TD passes in 8 consecutive seasons, where Jones has zero 25 TD passing seasons. And trust me, as an Eagles fan, its not like I want to defend Dak, but he DOES have a 37/10 to his name. It definitely IS ridiculous.

Sine DJ entered the league:

Dak: 99TD Passes, 9 rushing TDs, 108 Total TDs, 49 games started
Cousins: 123 Td passes, 5 rushing tds, 128 total TDS, 64 games started
Daniel Jones: 60 TD passes, 12 td rushes, 72 total tds, 53 games started

also: 34 INTs, 42 fumbles

So even taking into consideration Jones' excuses (diff coordinator/crappier weapons) I don't see the logic in projecting how Daniel Jones, is going to take a leap higher than these 2 guys, given their track record and mentioned weapons and considering who DJ has catching the ball this year. Is Jalen Hyatt really gonna get this guy into like 30-35 Total TD range? Is it gong to help him and his fumbling habit/problem? I say "no chance"

I like him, he seems like a nice kid, but in today's NFL, how often are guys taking "year 5 leaps" at the QB position, when they have proven so far to date, they are pedestrian/middle of the road at best starters?

[TheFrenzy]

Facing a bit of a dilemma.

I've got a DeShaun Watson Prizm RC PSA 10 listed just a but higher than where thing are selling. Knowing how the universe works, do I lower the price, sell the card, and ensure that Watson blows up this season? Or do I hold out for a higher price and ensure that the Browns remain a cursed franchise?

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Facing a bit of a dilemma.

I've got a DeShaun Watson Prizm RC PSA 10 listed just a but higher than where thing are selling. Knowing how the universe works, do I lower the price, sell the card, and ensure that Watson blows up this season? Or do I hold out for a higher price and ensure that the Browns remain a cursed franchise?

He’s already ded.

[jplarson]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Facing a bit of a dilemma.

I've got a DeShaun Watson Prizm RC PSA 10 listed just a but higher than where thing are selling. Knowing how the universe works, do I lower the price, sell the card, and ensure that Watson blows up this season? Or do I hold out for a higher price and ensure that the Browns remain a cursed franchise?

I don't think the Frenzy QB Jinx* is stronger than the Browns factory of sadness.




*please don't buy any Justin Fields cards.

[TheFrenzy]

It just sold. $250.

Congrats on making the playoffs with a Top 5 QB, Browns fans.

[Derekbauer]

Originally Posted by Eagle

You are entitled to your own opinion. But neither Dak nor Cousins have these weapons their entire careers. Ok, so Jones had 22 total touchdowns last year? Still lower than those other guys. Cousins has 25+ TD passes in 8 consecutive seasons, where Jones has zero 25 TD passing seasons. And trust me, as an Eagles fan, its not like I want to defend Dak, but he DOES have a 37/10 to his name. It definitely IS ridiculous.

Sine DJ entered the league:

Dak: 99TD Passes, 9 rushing TDs, 108 Total TDs, 49 games started
Cousins: 123 Td passes, 5 rushing tds, 128 total TDS, 64 games started
Daniel Jones: 60 TD passes, 12 td rushes, 72 total tds, 53 games started

also: 34 INTs, 42 fumbles

So even taking into consideration Jones' excuses (diff coordinator/crappier weapons) I don't see the logic in projecting how Daniel Jones, is going to take a leap higher than these 2 guys, given their track record and mentioned weapons and considering who DJ has catching the ball this year. Is Jalen Hyatt really gonna get this guy into like 30-35 Total TD range? Is it gong to help him and his fumbling habit/problem? I say "no chance"

I like him, he seems like a nice kid, but in today's NFL, how often are guys taking "year 5 leaps" at the QB position, when they have proven so far to date, they are pedestrian/middle of the road at best starters?

I think what you’re forgetting is the list is a projection for next year and not a ranking of these guys careers.

Player A is coming off the worst statistical season of his career and by most analytics was the worst of all three QBs in 2022. Turns 30 next month.

Player B is coming off the best season of his career with the same coaching staff for the first time in his career. Just turned 26.

Player C has been an above average QB for a few seasons now. Turns 35 in August.

Cousins and Dak have been better in their careers. But that’s not what the list is for.

Giants added Waller and return two starting WRs that were lost in the first few weeks of the season. Look what Daboll did with Allen. Jones is absolutely young enough and has shown glimpses he could take the next step. I’m not saying he will but again we’re just talking about why it’s not crazy he is in the same tier as Dak and Cousins.

I feel like a poll may be necessary here lol

[kluke84]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

It just sold. $250.

Congrats on making the playoffs with a Top 5 QB, Browns fans.

The AFC in 2023 will be the Thunderdome. Good luck to him!

[Eagle]

Originally Posted by Derekbauer

I think what you’re forgetting is the list is a projection for next year and not a ranking of these guys careers.

Player A is coming off the worst statistical season of his career and by most analytics was the worst of all three QBs in 2022. Turns 30 next month.

Player B is coming off the best season of his career with the same coaching staff for the first time in his career. Just turned 26.

Player C has been an above average QB for a few seasons now. Turns 35 in August.

Cousins and Dak have been better in their careers. But that’s not what the list is for.

Giants added Waller and return two starting WRs that were lost in the first few weeks of the season. Look what Daboll did with Allen. Jones is absolutely young enough and has shown glimpses he could take the next step. I’m not saying he will but again we’re just talking about why it’s not crazy he is in the same tier as Dak and Cousins.

I feel like a poll may be necessary here lol

I realize that. And as I said in my previous post "I'd wager anything that both of these QBs ranked below Daniel Jones "again" will beat his stats out pretty handily this year."

I just don't see a way to honestly "project" that DJ will outpace these 2 guys, and even be close. Like I said, "who" is helping him get to this next level? Year 2 with this HC? Who all but helped him get to 22 total touchdowns this past year? Who is the "stud" WR to help him? Darren Waller is going to make that big a difference to get him 10+ more touchdowns. I just don't see it.

[Derekbauer]

Originally Posted by Eagle

I realize that. And as I said in my previous post "I'd wager anything that both of these QBs ranked below Daniel Jones "again" will beat his stats out pretty handily this year."

I just don't see a way to honestly "project" that DJ will outpace these 2 guys, and even be close. Like I said, "who" is helping him get to this next level? Year 2 with this HC? Who all but helped him get to 22 total touchdowns this past year? Who is the "stud" WR to help him? Darren Waller is going to make that big a difference to get him 10+ more touchdowns. I just don't see it.

I hear you. Nobody screams “stud” at any of those WRs.

I think the general optimism is that the starting core of WRs/TEs last season was probably the worst in the league and he was still able to have a good season.

Now you add Waller, Campbell and Hyatt and get your two starters back from injury last year. Add in another full offseason with in the same system and there’s plenty of reason for optimism.

30-35 total TDs is not out the question and he was one of the best in the NFL last year at not turning the ball over.

Obviously he could regress to his previous years but I think if they didn’t see something in him they liked they wouldn’t have shelled out $160 million considering he wasn’t their draft pick

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by Eagle

I realize that. And as I said in my previous post "I'd wager anything that both of these QBs ranked below Daniel Jones "again" will beat his stats out pretty handily this year."

I just don't see a way to honestly "project" that DJ will outpace these 2 guys, and even be close. Like I said, "who" is helping him get to this next level? Year 2 with this HC? Who all but helped him get to 22 total touchdowns this past year? Who is the "stud" WR to help him? Darren Waller is going to make that big a difference to get him 10+ more touchdowns. I just don't see it.

Have you watched Simms' videos where he explains his rankings while he reviews each player?

For Daniel Jones he specifically stats that "It's not about the stats". So it seems to be much different criteria than what you are getting at.

FWIW, PFF came out with a composite ranking and tiers based on 2022 performance only, and Jones ranked 12th. And then they came out with their own Top 32 going forward list, and he was 17th. So depending on the criteria, you're going to get different answers.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by jcmel323

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For comparison's sake, CBS Sportsline's top 10 QBs:

1. Patrick Mahomes
2. Joe Burrow
3. Jalen Hurts
4. Josh Allen
5. Justin Herbert
6. Aaron Rodgers
7. Trevor Lawrence
8. Lamar Jackson
9. Dak Prescott
10. Kirk Cousins

But what's funny about this is CBS Sportsline also has it's ranking of top 100 overall players, and Josh Allen is #2. Way to be consistent, guys.

[asujbl]

Quote didn’t work on my phone

[majestik101]

CBS Sportsline's recent top-100 list put Chris Godwin at No. 90 but left Mike Evans completely off it.

So as far as I'm concerned, CBS Sportsline can go fly a kite.

[Derekbauer]

Originally Posted by majestik101

CBS Sportsline's recent top-100 list put Chris Godwin at No. 90 but left Mike Evans completely off it.

So as far as I'm concerned, CBS Sportsline can go fly a kite.

For what it’s worth Godwin rated higher on pff for the 2022 season at 26th overall WR. Evans finished at 28.

[DaBears1985]

This list is a hot steaming dump.

I have multiple problems with this list including but not limited to:

Geno, Russell, and Mac are too high

Fields, Pickett, Purdy too low

Hurts has earned that #5 spot

[kluke84]

Originally Posted by tjforce

For comparison's sake, CBS Sportsline's top 10 QBs:

1. Patrick Mahomes
2. Joe Burrow
3. Jalen Hurts
4. Josh Allen
5. Justin Herbert
6. Aaron Rodgers
7. Trevor Lawrence
8. Lamar Jackson
9. Dak Prescott
10. Kirk Cousins

But what's funny about this is CBS Sportsline also has it's ranking of top 100 overall players, and Josh Allen is #2. Way to be consistent, guys.

Whereas CBS (Prisco) has it this week as:

1 (1) Mahomes
2 (2) Allen
3 (3) Burrow
4 (22) Herbert
5 (23) Lawrence
6 (29) Rodgers
7 (31) Hurts
8 (35) Lamar
9 (78) Fields

Too many lists.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/t...in-top-10/amp/

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by kluke84

Whereas CBS (Prisco) has it this week as:

1 (1) Mahomes
2 (2) Allen
3 (3) Burrow
4 (22) Herbert
5 (23) Lawrence
6 (29) Rodgers
7 (31) Hurts
8 (35) Lamar
9 (78) Fields

Too many lists.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/t...in-top-10/amp/

I usually don't nitpick lists too much, but Fields at 9?

[jplarson]

Originally Posted by tjforce

I usually don't nitpick lists too much, but Fields at 9?

That's too high at present imo. I don't think he's bottom quarter of the league but top 10 is a stretch. I think he'll earn his way there but as of June, 2023? Nah.

[kluke84]

Originally Posted by tjforce

I usually don't nitpick lists too much, but Fields at 9?

Top 8 consensus.
I like the add at 9. Probably 16-20 but that's the point of these lists.

[graffiX]

Originally Posted by tjforce

I usually don't nitpick lists too much, but Fields at 9?

I like Fields and hope he does well, but yeah #9 is way too high. Most of these lists have a few "wha..?" sprinkled in to get people talking about it and getting the publicity for the article. This is that.

[no10pin]

Originally Posted by Grid

Then you would say "great Mechanics" or is a "physically gifted" passer. Who refers to a QB as "The thrower of the Football"? Dont defend him!

Just heard a clip from Josh Allen (physically gifted passer) when he was asked about Aaron Rodgers.

Quote:

'I think he's the most gifted thrower of the football of all-time'

Shoot him a text and tell him to start talking right.