Out of the Top 10 WRs with the most active receiving yards who will make the HOF? - Page 4

mike1498 · 11-14-2023, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by thesportslab

Locks:
Julio Jones
Mike Evans

Has top-notch single game and single season numbers. Despite a rough end to his career, his prime was elite. Should be in 1st or 2nd year.

Evans, even if never the best WR in the league, has had remarkable consistency. Maybe not 1st ballot but he’s getting in.

Work Left but (very) Close:
Davante Adams
Tyreek Hill

I think Adams and Hill have another productive 2-3 years that secures their place. Hard to think neither makes it.

Unlikely:
Stefon Diggs
DeAndre Hopkins

0% Chance:
Keenan Allen
Amari Cooper
Brandin Cooks
Robert Woods

That's exactly my list as well with the same groupings. If I really wanted to be picky, I think there's a small gap between Hopkins and Diggs where Hopkins is in between unlikely and work left. After Hopkins it definitely drops off in talent. IMO if Hopkins played for better teams then he did, we'd think of him more like Davante Adams than Stefon Diggs.

kluke84 · 11-14-2023, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Noles939913

Julio Jones
DeAndre Hopkins
Mike Evans
Davante Adams
Keenan Allen
Stefon Diggs
Tyreek Hill
Brandin Cooks
Amari Cooper
Robert Woods

I do find Amari Cooper to be severely underrated both hobby wise and in real life.

My guesses:

Jones (maybe)
Hopkins
Adams
Evans
Hill (at current pace)

None will be 1st ballot

foleylion08 · 11-14-2023, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Archangel1775

Keenan Allen lost a year and a half to injuries during those years you speak of. His numbers were nuts before he was lost for the year in 2013 and missed the rest of 2014

Unfortunately I don't think the HOF deals in hypotheticals.

Julio missed 11 games in his age 24 season and had put up 116 yards per game before he got hurt, which would've ended up as #2 in the league to that point if he'd have kept it up.

Which would have been his first in a string of 7 consecutive 1,300+ yard seasons. Unfortunately he only had 6 straight. Which is a record.

Archangel1775 · 11-14-2023, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by foleylion08

Unfortunately I don't think the HOF deals in hypotheticals.
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No sheet, the point was that you're comparing their first ten years of statistics(Keenan vs Julio).

I'm talking about Keenan Allen and his potential. Not Julio Jones or Calvin Johnson. I never said he was a lock. I'd put Davante Adams in before him. But right now, neither will go. If anyone it's Tyreek Hill(my vote). We could compare Tyreek to Julio if you want but you'll lose that argument

packman80 · 11-14-2023, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Archangel1775

No sheet, the point was that you're comparing their first ten years of statistics(Keenan vs Julio).

I'm talking about Keenan Allen and his potential. Not Julio Jones or Calvin Johnson. I never said he was a lock. I'd put Davante Adams in before him. But right now, neither will go. If anyone it's Tyreek Hill(my vote). We could compare Tyreek to Julio if you want but you'll lose that argument

I think Adams has very good chance to get in right now. He's at 90 TD's. Every WR at that amount or more is in the HOF. Unless he gets hurt he's going to pass 100 as maybe as soon as next year.

mfw13 · 11-14-2023, 05:43 PM

Here's the thing with wide receivers....to a large extent they are a function of their era, the team they played on, and the QB's they played with. Stats/numbers only tell part of the story. Lots of guys racked up big numbers just because they played for teams that threw the ball a lot, even though they were pretty average wide receivers.

So another way to think about it is to ask which guys (since Jerry Rice) have truly been impact players? Which have truly elevated their teams, as opposed to simply catching a lot of 10-yrd out routes on teams that threw the ball 40-50 times a game?

foleylion08 · 11-14-2023, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Archangel1775

No sheet, the point was that you're comparing their first ten years of statistics.

During which Julio was also injured, I don't see the argument?

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Originally Posted by Archangel1775

We could compare Tyreek to Julio if you want but you'll lose that argument

Let's do it. Tyreek has also never (until this season) led the league in a single statistical category. He has 3x AP and a title, so there's a push and a nod to Hill.

Through their first 8 seasons (which Hill is currently in, obviosuly), Julio only played in 111 games, whereas Hill is at 117 and counting.

And yet, despite 6 fewer starts over that span, Julio outpaces him in yards, yards per catch, yards per game and receptions with Hill having the obvious lead in TDs.

Does he retire early as he's claimed he will? Does he feel the need to pad his stats for the Hall?

If the chalk holds, Hill will have an unprecedented two-year statistical output. He needs 860 yards the remainder of the season to have the best two-year total ever (Megatron, 3,645).

He's on trajectory for a superior career, but if he gets Theismann'd this week, or retires early, his career will fall short of Julio's.

majestik101 · 11-14-2023, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mfw13

Here's the thing with wide receivers....to a large extent they are a function of their era, the team they played on, and the QB's they played with. Stats/numbers only tell part of the story. Lots of guys racked up big numbers just because they played for teams that threw the ball a lot, even though they were pretty average wide receivers.

So another way to think about it is to ask which guys (since Jerry Rice) have truly been impact players? Which have truly elevated their teams, as opposed to simply catching a lot of 10-yrd out routes on teams that threw the ball 40-50 times a game?

Which makes Mike Evans' accomplishments/stats all the more impressive.

Look at the list of sad sacks who threw him footballs the first 5 years in his career.

Josh McCown (2014)
Mike Glennon (2014)
Ryan Fitzpatrick (2017-2018)
Jameis Winston (2015-2019)

Noles939913 · 11-14-2023, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by foleylion08

And Julio came into the league two years before Allen, at a year older, mind you.

Point is, Keenan Allen is a Very Good wide receiver.

But, at no point in his career has he been considered the best in the game. 0 All Pros. Not even a Second Team All Pro nod. Never led the league in a single statistic. His career high receiving yardage would be Julio's sixth best season.

Today, right now, Keenan Allen is a better receiver than Julio is for an NFL team. Today. In terms of their careers, there is no comparison.

Allen not being able to sniff Jones’ jockstrap is quite the hyperbolic statement when Allen will likely end up with more catches, yards, and TDs.

Stifle · 11-14-2023, 06:43 PM

20 Wide receivers have been enshrined over the past 30 years, pretty much the beginning of the peak of receivers overtaking the running back in value.

Zauron · 11-14-2023, 07:17 PM

Nothing Keenan Allen did screams HOF. He's Hines Ward without the rings.

Archangel1775 · 11-14-2023, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by foleylion08

During which Julio was also injured, I don't see the argument?
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Julio lost 11 and 7 to season ending injuries. Keenan lost 8,15 and 6 to season ending injuries. Not counting games missed here and there, that's an 11 game difference their first 10 years. I hope Julio Jones stats are better, that's my only point, not WHO is better

49erRCCollector · 11-14-2023, 09:30 PM

Keenan v. Julio

TheFrenzy · 11-14-2023, 09:34 PM

I would be 100% ok with a "score 100 touchdowns in your career and you're automatically in the HOF" rule for non-quarterbacks.

Archangel1775 · 11-14-2023, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by foleylion08

Let's do it. Tyreek has also never (until this season) led the league in a single statistical category. He has 3x AP and a title, so there's a push and a nod to Hill.

Through their first 8 seasons (which Hill is currently in, obviosuly), Julio only played in 111 games, whereas Hill is at 117 and counting.

And yet, despite 6 fewer starts over that span, Julio outpaces him in yards, yards per catch, yards per game and receptions with Hill having the obvious lead in TDs.

Does he retire early as he's claimed he will? Does he feel the need to pad his stats for the Hall?

If the chalk holds, Hill will have an unprecedented two-year statistical output. He needs 860 yards the remainder of the season to have the best two-year total ever (Megatron, 3,645).

He's on trajectory for a superior career, but if he gets Theismann'd this week, or retires early, his career will fall short of Julio's.

I count 4 Associated Press All-Pros, PR his rookie year, Flex and 2 WR. He's on his way to his 5th. Tyreek is in Year 8 and has 7 Pro Bowl nods and is a Super Bowl Champion. He's a DC's nightmare and the most feared WR by defensive backs. He's the best WR of his era. He's a lock after this year

Noles939913 · 11-14-2023, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

Keenan v. Julio

To be fair Allen probably passes him in catches this year and might catch him in TDs too.

Archangel1775 · 11-14-2023, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

Keenan v. Julio

It's Tyreek vs Julio

Archangel1775 · 11-14-2023, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Noles939913

To be fair Allen probably passes him in catches this year and might catch him in TDs too.

I would take Julio over Keenan any day but with him producing the way he is, he may end up with the numbers for enshrinement at some point. He's on his way to a career year and really and All time year for a WR

sethc1020 · 11-15-2023, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by 2010GBPackers

Keenan Allen over Devante Adams and Julio Jones?

Yeah looking back, Keenan is not a lock at all and is questionable at best. I guess recent success clouded my judgement on that one. I still put Julio as questionable, he had some monster years but for me I just don't seem him making it. Adams is kind of in the same boat, he had a few big years with Rodgers but so did Jordy Nelson, Greg Jennings, ect. Adams has only 4 years with 1000+ yards out of the 10 years he's been in the league. I don't think that get him in.

foleylion08 · 11-15-2023, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Noles939913

Allen not being able to sniff Jones’ jockstrap is quite the hyperbolic statement when Allen will likely end up with more catches, yards, and TDs.

Okay, he can sniff it if he'd like

foleylion08 · 11-15-2023, 10:51 AM

Keenan Allen just brings us to the Frank Gore argument. He's a stat compiler. Once again, no first OR second team All Pros. No insane numbers. I'll give him that having a career year at 31 is impressive though.

49erRCCollector · 11-15-2023, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by foleylion08

Keenan Allen just brings us to the Frank Gore argument. He's a stat compiler. Once again, no first OR second team All Pros. No insane numbers. I'll give him that having a career year at 31 is impressive though.

Except Gore stat compiled his way #3 in yards all time and 100 TDs scored.

JWBlue · 11-15-2023, 02:17 PM

JJ might not have the huge final numbers but he was as good as any receiver for a lot of years. Enough to get him in.

Stifle · 11-16-2023, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jplarson

It's a running joke.

Majestik, some others, and I view Evans as HoF material. Others disagreed which spawned the HoVG mockery.

Maybe for the first time ever, I agree with Jplarson - almost stings admitting it. Evans is doing enough.

Within the next 10 years there may be 2 more wide outs who put together 10 huge seasons and there stats make others in waiting look Henry Ellard’ish. The wait just keeps pushing them out of memory like a J. Jefferson. Jefferson has as much game as anybody and his 5,400 yards with 24 TD’s at only 24.

49ersSF · 11-17-2023, 01:23 PM

Absolute Lock (first Ballot): Tyreek Hill
HoF (take him awhile): Mike Evans, Davante Adams, Julio Jones
Borderline: Keenan Allen
Great careers but...(toss these into the Andre Johnson, Anquan Boldin, Brandon Marshall, Jimmy Smith Pile) Amari Cooper, Brandin Cooks, Stefon Diggs
Why is this guy on the list??? Robert Woods

View Poll Results: Who Makes the HOF?
Julio Jones	75	65.79%
DeAndre Hopkins	37	32.46%
Mike Evans	73	64.04%
Davante Adams	55	48.25%
Keenan Allen	28	24.56%
Stefon Diggs	16	14.04%
Tyreek Hill	70	61.40%
Brandin Cooks	2	1.75%
Amari Cooper	5	4.39%
Robert Woods	1	0.88%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 114. You may not vote on this poll

11-14-2023, 07:17 PM	#86
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11-14-2023, 09:30 PM	#88
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11-15-2023, 10:51 AM	#96
foleylion08 Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 3,632 dynastysportscards17	Keenan Allen just brings us to the Frank Gore argument. He's a stat compiler. Once again, no first OR second team All Pros. No insane numbers. I'll give him that having a career year at 31 is impressive though. Last edited by foleylion08; 11-15-2023 at 10:56 AM.

11-17-2023, 01:23 PM	#100
49ersSF Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: San Francisco Posts: 3,926	Absolute Lock (first Ballot): Tyreek Hill HoF (take him awhile): Mike Evans, Davante Adams, Julio Jones Borderline: Keenan Allen Great careers but...(toss these into the Andre Johnson, Anquan Boldin, Brandon Marshall, Jimmy Smith Pile) Amari Cooper, Brandin Cooks, Stefon Diggs Why is this guy on the list??? Robert Woods __________________ They see what they have been told to see.

11-14-2023, 05:43 PM	#81
mfw13 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 17,422	Here's the thing with wide receivers....to a large extent they are a function of their era, the team they played on, and the QB's they played with. Stats/numbers only tell part of the story. Lots of guys racked up big numbers just because they played for teams that threw the ball a lot, even though they were pretty average wide receivers. So another way to think about it is to ask which guys (since Jerry Rice) have truly been impact players? Which have truly elevated their teams, as opposed to simply catching a lot of 10-yrd out routes on teams that threw the ball 40-50 times a game?

11-14-2023, 06:43 PM	#85
Stifle Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: I've met great collectors throughout MI and N. Indiana / CHI. Posts: 9,367 Stifle	20 Wide receivers have been enshrined over the past 30 years, pretty much the beginning of the peak of receivers overtaking the running back in value.

11-14-2023, 09:34 PM	#89
TheFrenzy Banned Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Texan in AZ Posts: 44,115	I would be 100% ok with a "score 100 touchdowns in your career and you're automatically in the HOF" rule for non-quarterbacks.

11-15-2023, 02:17 PM	#98
JWBlue Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 9,600	JJ might not have the huge final numbers but he was as good as any receiver for a lot of years. Enough to get him in.