First Buzz: 2023 Topps Diamond Icons baseball cards

[bloodwings19]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Yep, this looks like the best high end break by a whole lot. No one should be complaining about this. People who are complaining are probably people who didn't buy it

I watched around 30 cases, almost every case there is one, or a combo of the following players: Ichiro, JRod, Trout, or Ohtani. The best cards imo are those color signatures that matches the color trim of the card like gold, red and green. The checklist is filled mostly of stars and retired players that are icons of their teams. Even a current MLB pitcher bought some random player spots, funny stuff. I love those cleat cards and those jumbo dual jersey cards. The bad is there are patch jersey cards #/d to 10 that I've seen are napkin cards. And the Cut cards of Bob Feller, really?!?!?!?! If you want JRod, I'm sure if you bought into 3 consecutive Seattle Mariners group breaks, you will get it. If you didn't Griffey, or Ichiro will show up. I bought into 3 spots in various breaks, all hit cards and I would make money on it based on past sales, or no sales recorded for a green auto #/10

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by Noles939913

The cut signature checklist is also a joke. Example: Bob Feller. You can find a nice on card auto of him on eBay for $30. An authenticated signed 8x10 for even less. Why would anyone want a chopped up signed 8x10 that’s been crudely put into a card?

What does that tell you? It probably means a lot of the people buying into breaks of this are ignorant about the trading card market and the values of cards.

[scotchtape0]

Who wouldn’t want a Rick Ferrell, Al Barlick or Jim Bunning cut sig in a $3000+ box?

[awz50]

Originally Posted by Noles939913

I can’t imagine his take on Dynasty. Every card is #’d /10 or less!!! Nevermind there are 8 different image variations and a /5 parallel and a /1 parallel of each one. Imagine laying down $1,000 on that one and getting a $40 Tim Anderson.

Imagine laying down $1000 dollars for this in general

[kyle1707]

Originally Posted by BBases31

You are stuck in 2018 and will stay there forever if you think this isn't reasonably priced

The 10-15 cases I have watched open on Layton sports card

At say 7500 a case . Is probably a 50 % loss on average

reasonable ???

Naive or moronic

I’m not sure

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by kyle1707

The 10-15 cases I have watched open on Layton sports card

At say 7500 a case . Is probably a 50 % loss on average

reasonable ???

Naive or moronic

I’m not sure

That’s about the average for all wax across the board.

This product is not a better yield than anything else at its current price point.

So anyone who opens any wax is either naive or moronic.

Or simply degenerate gambling.

[KhalDrogo]

Houdini opened three boxes last night. I guess the best hit was a Cole Logo? Next best hit was a generic Griffey auto I think. Those $25 Jimmy Rollins hits were big time though.

[johnlocke36]

Originally Posted by bloodwings19

I watched around 30 cases, almost every case there is one, or a combo of the following players: Ichiro, JRod, Trout, or Ohtani. The best cards imo are those color signatures that matches the color trim of the card like gold, red and green.

For the price of a case you could also get a Julio BCA green /99 PSA 10, a Trout BCA in BGS 8, a raw Ichiro gold RC, and then pick up a case of flagship so you have something fun to rip.

[theshowandme]

Jimmy Rollins is in this product??????

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by theshowandme

Jimmy Rollins is in this product??????

Don’t forget you’re chance to pull a $10 Starling Marte auto if you’re lucky enough!

[bloodwings19]

Who is the lucky guy who pulled a Mike Trout 1/1 Logoman for $170, 1 spotted to the random number to 1. Or that loaded guy who spend 1000s to get a JRod 1/1 Logoman, he didn't just get that max card, he had some other money cards. I spent less than $500 to get 2 green color, 3 purple and 1 black auto cards, 4 pc and 2 flipped cards.

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by kyle1707

The 10-15 cases I have watched open on Layton sports card

At say 7500 a case . Is probably a 50 % loss on average

reasonable ???

Naive or moronic

I’m not sure

It's 2023. You're stuck in 2018. This is the best high end wax to open hands down

[everyone]

Paid $50 for a Mariners spot and hit an Ichiro /10 patch auto...of course it's napkin but still a very nice card. If you can find a deal on a spot $50 is worth a gamble but most teams are way overpriced in breaks.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by BBases31

It's 2023. You're stuck in 2018. This is the best high end wax to open hands down

Is this "the call?" Put it in your signature.

[dunquixote1]

I think the general narrative is that all cards are overpriced. If you drop $3g+ on 3 cases of Jumbo flagship, Stadium Club, or whatever vs 1 box of DI, I’d probably go with DI. I’d rather have 7 good to great cards than 36 autos of low/mid end prospects and middle relievers. The DI boxes seem to all yield at least 3 major autos ($300+). Ripping $3g in any product can yield garbage and at least you don’t have thousands of cards to sort through after trying to recoup $1 here and $5 there. That being said, I’m not buying boxes of pretty much any product anymore. I have picked up the Orioles in some breaks though and so far I’m definitely ahead in the small sample size. It’s a product that you should buy breaks in where teams have large checklists and higher potential. Basically, buy NY, LA, and Balt. Pretty much avoid this product otherwise imo. If you continue to buy mid tier teams in this product you’re never going to come out ahead. If you’re gonna gamble and least go with teams you at least have a chance come out ahead on. The reality is that buying boxes of any product is gambling and your chance of coming out ahead is like 15%. This is no different.

[banosd]

The Stadium Club and Flagship cases would have a lot of other non-auto hits. There are others that have said if these hits are listed early enough, the ROI can be much better. The high-end products are only for big game hunting

[oldgoldy97]

I bought a case of Heritage and all I got was two autos

[dunquixote1]

Originally Posted by banosd

The Stadium Club and Flagship cases would have a lot of other non-auto hits. There are others that have said if these hits are listed early enough, the ROI can be much better. The high-end products are only for big game hunting

I have opened plenty of flagship cases with a ROI that’d have been better invested into KMart stock. And the amount of work that goes into selling flagship cards is for retired folk. All because there’s more hits doesn’t mean those hits yield a higher percentage return. I’m not defending DI, I’m just saying that all product is all the same gambling…just different. The large hits are more frequent and that’s the tax you pay. So while, even in DI, completed listings don’t exceed $2k often (as someone pointed out) you need to look at overall number of cards over $250 vs simply highest sold prices. Frequency is the game, not highest individual card price.

[bloodwings19]

Originally Posted by everyone

Paid $50 for a Mariners spot and hit an Ichiro /10 patch auto...of course it's napkin but still a very nice card. If you can find a deal on a spot $50 is worth a gamble but most teams are way overpriced in breaks.

How do you pay $50 for a Mariners spot? That is at least a $600 a spot in a 2 box case. A lot of teams are overpriced, but if you get the top teams in a randomizer serial that is a no-brainer. Astros , Blue Jays (Shoe Cards-Manoah, Springer, Bichette) and Padres are good spots, they likely to hit than go hitless. I paid $89 for Astros spot in 1 box and hit a Green Nolan Ryan, how much will that bring me?!?!

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by banosd

The Stadium Club and Flagship cases would have a lot of other non-auto hits.

Ah yes, give me more Orange Speckles, Red Foils, and major league material napkin relics! Those aren't hits, they're junk.

The high-end products are only for big game hunting

That's exactly the point. If you consider a "hit" to be a Matt Chapman Sparkle insert /399, this ain't for you

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by dunquixote1

And the amount of work that goes into selling flagship cards is for retired folk.

This part is so lost on most of this board. Time is money. If you "recover" $1000 worth of cards from a case but spend 5 hours dealing with all those cards to sell, you've recovered alot less than $1000

[oldgoldy97]

Posting on BO = not really busy.

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Posting on BO = not really busy.

I take it you've never worked from a computer

[everyone]

Originally Posted by bloodwings19

How do you pay $50 for a Mariners spot? That is at least a $600 a spot in a 2 box case. A lot of teams are overpriced, but if you get the top teams in a randomizer serial that is a no-brainer. Astros , Blue Jays (Shoe Cards-Manoah, Springer, Bichette) and Padres are good spots, they likely to hit than go hitless. I paid $89 for Astros spot in 1 box and hit a Green Nolan Ryan, how much will that bring me?!?!

It was a 0-9 serial randomizer...I just happened to get the right #. I also had a $25 fanatics code I used so it would have been a $75 spot.

[LittleJimmies]

Originally Posted by everyone

It was a 0-9 serial randomizer...I just happened to get the right #. I also had a $25 fanatics code I used so it would have been a $75 spot.

Cool, so totally different than what you said.