Does Durant ever get back on top?

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by Nyfancam01

did you really just say curry has more talent and basketball IQ than Lebron James?

Thank the lord i'm getting out of sports cards. WOW.

Can you provide any evidence that clearly puts Lebron above Curry in terms of basketball iq? I'd love to hear this. At worst, it's probably a wash.

Intangibles, Lebron has him beat by a landslide. He's a 6'8 goliath built like a roman statue, has the speed of an NFL RB, and still has the grace of a guy like Magic. There is nothing Curry can do to tilt the scales in his favor in terms of physical prowess.

HOWEVER. Curry right now is playing the better overall game. Check your homerism at the door. (I understand that may be impossible for you to do)

Again, this is AS OF RIGHT NOW. Things change in the nba. Quickly. What's here today isn't always here tomorrow. I have also been extremely critical of Curry in my post history..I'm far from a nut hugger.

By the way, I'm not a fan of either of the two. But I enjoy watching both play. Could care less about them, but I'm a fan of the game.

[Qwasian]

Originally Posted by Nyfancam01

did you really just say curry has more talent and basketball IQ than Lebron James?

Thank the lord i'm getting out of sports cards. WOW.

absolutely....... lebron is physical, basketball talent is different than being physical, he can knock people out the way better than curry, he can dunk better than curry, but he can't dribble, move around the floor, shoot better than curry, curry absolutely has a higher skill level with a basketball and it's not even close.

lebron doesn't have this great basketball IQ that people make him out to have, otherwise he would probably have alot more championships, you can see him getting baited into guarding certain players and trying to lock them down and doing alot of stuff that's not str8 basketball, it's more of a brute force method to playing but that's not smart IQ team basketball. just because espn told you he has a high basketball IQ doesn't mean it's true. he has a natural feel for the game because he's played it all his life and he's more physical than everyone else on the floor. why do you think he's dissappeared in several playoff games, couldn't figure out how to make it work alot of the times with all the talented players on the floor "Wade, Bosh, Lebron" "Kyrie, Love, Lebron"...... he doesn't play with IQ he's just the biggest, strongest, fastest guy on the floor, there is a reason why he struggles and is dissapointed with his performance alot of the time, he can't get over the mountain because he doesn't have what it takes to make all the peices of a team work on the floor.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by Qwasian

absolutely....... lebron is physical, basketball talent is different than being physical, he can knock people out the way better than curry, he can dunk better than curry, but he can't dribble, move around the floor, shoot better than curry, curry absolutely has a higher skill level with a basketball and it's not even close.

lebron doesn't have this great basketball IQ that people make him out to have, otherwise he would probably have alot more championships, you can see him getting baited into guarding certain players and trying to lock them down and doing alot of stuff that's not str8 basketball, it's more of a brute force method to playing but that's not smart IQ team basketball. just because espn told you he has a high basketball IQ doesn't mean it's true. he has a natural feel for the game because he's played it all his life and he's more physical than everyone else on the floor. why do you think he's dissappeared in several playoff games, couldn't figure out how to make it work alot of the times with all the talented players on the floor "Wade, Bosh, Lebron" "Kyrie, Love, Lebron"...... he doesn't play with IQ he's just the biggest, strongest, fastest guy on the floor, there is a reason why he struggles and is dissapointed with his performance alot of the time, he can't get over the mountain because he doesn't have what it takes to make all the peices of a team work on the floor.

Have you ever watched LeBron play, like really watched other than youtube highlights? The dude can see and run the floor like few others. Have you seen some of his thread-the-needle crosscourt passes? His physical frame allows him to see the court a lot better than Curry. Sure, sometimes he can go all LeIso and dribble at the top of the key for 20 seconds before driving but there's a lot more finesse to his game than you're giving him credit for.

Even though he's not a traditional PG the offense runs through LeBron. He's calling a lot of plays, sees exploitable matchups on the floor and gets teammates involved accordingly. He really makes everyone else on the floor a better player. His defensive intelligence is way up there also, he plays passing lanes so well and his timing on chasedown blocks is impeccable.

LeBron may or may not have a higher "Basketball IQ" than Curry but given the choice I'm pretty sure a landslide of GMs would still take LeBron over Curry. He always has been and always will be the unquestioned leader of whatever team he plays for. He commands respect, not demands it and not just because he's an all-time great player. Curry is the "leader" of GS simply because he's the best player but outside of his elite shooting he's not impacting the other players on his team like LeBron can, he's an amazing shooter and great team player but that's about it.

[GC1980]

What happened to Kevin Durant? Wasn't this his thread?

[Qwasian]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Have you ever watched LeBron play, like really watched other than youtube highlights? The dude can see and run the floor like few others. Have you seen some of his thread-the-needle crosscourt passes? His physical frame allows him to see the court a lot better than Curry. Sure, sometimes he can go all LeIso and dribble at the top of the key for 20 seconds before driving but there's a lot more finesse to his game than you're giving him credit for.

Even though he's not a traditional PG the offense runs through LeBron. He's calling a lot of plays, sees exploitable matchups on the floor and gets teammates involved accordingly. He really makes everyone else on the floor a better player. His defensive intelligence is way up there also, he plays passing lanes so well and his timing on chasedown blocks is impeccable.

LeBron may or may not have a higher "Basketball IQ" than Curry but given the choice I'm pretty sure a landslide of GMs would still take LeBron over Curry. He always has been and always will be the unquestioned leader of whatever team he plays for. He commands respect, not demands it and not just because he's an all-time great player. Curry is the "leader" of GS simply because he's the best player but outside of his elite shooting he's not impacting the other players on his team like LeBron can, he's an amazing shooter and great team player but that's about it.

if lebron makes these other guys so much better how come ever other players stats suffer? kevin love dropped a full 10 points off his scoring average and a few points off his rebound totals when he joined cleveland, yet lebron needs all this help? but can't make the help work properly? how can he be great & not great at the same time?


durant is cool but he's not even in the convo with curry and lebron really because he can run hot & cold to the point it stiffles his team. if they double him up he's done.

[bdoody42]

Originally Posted by GC1980

What happened to Kevin Durant? Wasn't this his thread?

LOL very true...

Lebron has had a much better career and will go down as the better player in the long run I think. He has played at a high level for 10 or so seasons. I doubt Curry will be able to do that.

That being said Lebron is shooting much worse this season then past from the free throw line and 3PT line. Why is that? I believe I saw that Curry is shooting a higher paint percentage then Lebron. That's just crazy to me.

Curry this year has been better then Lebron. Lebron is still a better overall defender and has better physical traits. I believe their basketball IQ's are about the same and would be hard to clearly say one is better then the other in that category. Curry shoots better then Lebron from everywhere. He also puts a pressure on a defense that Lebron cant. He is a threat from thirty feet and in.

The problem is the homers (not rational fans) here from Curry and especially Lebron are so bias its crazy and in some instances make users look like idiots.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by Qwasian

if lebron makes these other guys so much better how come ever other players stats suffer? kevin love dropped a full 10 points off his scoring average and a few points off his rebound totals when he joined cleveland, yet lebron needs all this help? but can't make the help work properly? how can he be great & not great at the same time?


durant is cool but he's not even in the convo with curry and lebron really because he can run hot & cold to the point it stiffles his team. if they double him up he's done.

I'm really struggling to see the point you're trying to make here. Just because Love's points dropped 10pg doesn't mean LeBron didn't make him better. You do realize that he now has to share the ball with not one but TWO other elite offensive players (Kyrie CAN be elite offensively IF IF IF IF healthy). Love is having 25% of his shots assisted by LeBron and is shooting nearly double digits better when being assisted from LeBron vs other Cavs teammates. If you look at the stats you can see that pretty much every Cavs player shoots a higher percentage when being assisted by LeBron. I could take this back to Miami too but I'm sure it's the same result.

[Kobe101]

Originally Posted by Qwasian

if lebron makes these other guys so much better how come ever other players stats suffer? kevin love dropped a full 10 points off his scoring average and a few points off his rebound totals when he joined cleveland, yet lebron needs all this help? but can't make the help work properly? how can he be great & not great at the same time?


durant is cool but he's not even in the convo with curry and lebron really because he can run hot & cold to the point it stiffles his team. if they double him up he's done.

Durant is better then Curry. Curry is having a better season but Durant is 7-1 and has crazy handles can shoot and dunk and play D. Curry has a better team and doesn't have Westbrook taking 25 shots and turning the ball over 5 times a game. Curry is amazing! And he is playing out of his mind but Lebron and Durant are better players.

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by GC1980

What happened to Kevin Durant? Wasn't this his thread?

hahaha, i think the basis of this statement answers the op. i still take durant over curry, due to the size. like everyone talks about lebron slowing down, whats curry going to do when he slows down? you see how bad curry struggles when he has a guard that can stick with him. durant will be going dirk and shooting over people when hes 40 if his body holds up.

[Qwasian]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

I'm really struggling to see the point you're trying to make here. Just because Love's points dropped 10pg doesn't mean LeBron didn't make him better. You do realize that he now has to share the ball with not one but TWO other elite offensive players (Kyrie CAN be elite offensively IF IF IF IF healthy). Love is having 25% of his shots assisted by LeBron and is shooting nearly double digits better when being assisted from LeBron vs other Cavs teammates. If you look at the stats you can see that pretty much every Cavs player shoots a higher percentage when being assisted by LeBron. I could take this back to Miami too but I'm sure it's the same result.

what is it that love does better? imaginary magic? he should have higher output overall if someone is helping him, isn't that obvious?

of course people that are assisted by lebron shoot better, he's running the entire team, who else would they be assisted by?

[Qwasian]

Originally Posted by Kobe101

Durant is better then Curry. Curry is having a better season but Durant is 7-1 and has crazy handles can shoot and dunk and play D. Curry has a better team and doesn't have Westbrook taking 25 shots and turning the ball over 5 times a game. Curry is amazing! And he is playing out of his mind but Lebron and Durant are better players.

you kinda cancelled out your own statement, you said durant is better than curry but curry is having the better season, so right now curry is better, you said it yourself. maybe he won't be the best player over 10 years or whatever, but he's the best option for 2016, everything else is wizards and mythical creatures, not real facts.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by Qwasian

what is it that love does better? imaginary magic? he should have higher output overall if someone is helping him, isn't that obvious?

of course people that are assisted by lebron shoot better, he's running the entire team, who else would they be assisted by?

I really hope you're trolling....

How could he possibly have a higher offensive output if his usage rate goes down and he now has to share the ball with TWO other high usage players?

I'll put this into context that even you might be able to understand, Curry's usage rate has been increasing year over year and his total offensive output has also been increasing year over year. His usage rate is at an all-time high and so is his offensive output.

So... If higher usage rate generally leads to higher offensive output what do you think lower usage rate would lead to?

Who else would they be assisted by... Hmm I don't know maybe Delly, Kyrie?

I bet you didn't know that Draymond shoots 4.7% lower when assisted by Curry.

[Qwasian]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

I really hope you're trolling....

How could he possibly have a higher offensive output if his usage rate goes down and he now has to share the ball with TWO other high usage players?

I'll put this into context that even you might be able to understand, Curry's usage rate has been increasing year over year and his total offensive output has also been increasing year over year. His usage rate is at an all-time high and so is his offensive output.

So... If higher usage rate generally leads to higher offensive output what do you think lower usage rate would lead to?

Who else would they be assisted by... Hmm I don't know maybe Delly, Kyrie?

I bet you didn't know that Draymond shoots 4.7% lower when assisted by Curry.

let me know when they assist him in hoisting up a trophy........

[elee712]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

I really hope you're trolling....

How could he possibly have a higher offensive output if his usage rate goes down and he now has to share the ball with TWO other high usage players?

Who else would they be assisted by... Hmm I don't know maybe Delly, Kyrie?

I bet you didn't know that Draymond shoots 4.7% lower when assisted by Curry.

It seems stats only matter when it supports your arguments
You should probably figure out what kind of shots Draymond takes when Curry is assisting to him... My guess is the vast majority are wide open 3's. The other times, Draymond is driving into an open lane (due to Draymond's defender helping on Curry) or passing it off to someone with a wider open shot. I would think that he would shooting a higher percentage at the rim than from the three point line which probably explains the 5 percent discrepancy.

The argument of Lebron vs Curry is silly. Not sure why LBJ fans get so defensive when someone says Curry is better than Lebron now.
If Lebron is truly better, he will win the MVP and lead the Cavs to the championship this year unless another excuse or two pops up along the way.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by Qwasian

let me know when they assist him in hoisting up a trophy........

Debate 101: when proven to be totally wrong and have no idea what you're talking about, resort to Strawman tactics! Lol, cya

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by elee712

It seems stats only matter when it supports your arguments
You should probably figure out what kind of shots Draymond takes when Curry is assisting to him... My guess is the vast majority are wide open 3's. The other times, Draymond is driving into an open lane (due to Draymond's defender helping on Curry) or passing it off to someone with a wider open shot. I would think that he would shooting a higher percentage at the rim than from the three point line which probably explains the 5 percent discrepancy.

The argument of Lebron vs Curry is silly. Not sure why LBJ fans get so defensive when someone says Curry is better than Lebron now.
If Lebron is truly better, he will win the MVP and lead the Cavs to the championship this year unless another excuse or two pops up along the way.

LeBron will never win another MVP because of voter fatigue.

LeBron's combination of physical size, passing ability, offensive and defensive prowess make him a better player than Curry. No matter what, you will say that I'm wrong and I could give you every statistic in the world and you'd still deny it.

It's funny how you stalk my profile to see what threads I'm posting in just so you can add some useless input.

[elee712]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

LeBron will never win another MVP because of voter fatigue.

I see...

Originally Posted by jcardstore

LeBron's combination of physical size, passing ability, offensive and defensive prowess make him a better player than Curry. No matter what, you will say that I'm wrong and I could give you every statistic in the world and you'd still deny it.

Go ahead, I'll check back later.

Originally Posted by jcardstore

It's funny how you stalk my profile to see what threads I'm posting in just so you can add some useless input.

Yep, that's exactly what I'm doing. get over yourself...

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by elee712

I see...



Go ahead, I'll check back later.



Yep, that's exactly what I'm doing. get over yourself...

how about we just agree that you'll never agree with me and I'll never agree with you, that's simple enough

[Wolves4Life]

Durant was never on top. Yes he won a few scoring titles. Big whoop. Lebron has been basically since he entered the league, Maybe a few times before he actually took over it was Duncan's league? Other then that it's been Lebron's for awhile.

[Kobe101]

Originally Posted by Qwasian

you kinda cancelled out your own statement, you said durant is better than curry but curry is having the better season, so right now curry is better, you said it yourself. maybe he won't be the best player over 10 years or whatever, but he's the best option for 2016, everything else is wizards and mythical creatures, not real facts.

What are you talking about?

Fitzpatrick is having a better season then Peyton Manning does that mean he's better then Peyton Manning?

Right now Curry is probably have a better season. His team is 100% having a better season but Durant is pretty damn effective. I think he has a higher EFF % then Curry. But the Warriors are a great team.

So like I said Curry may be having a better season but Durant is better- So if I was going to start a team I would take Durant over Curry but Curry can still be having a better season.

[pingbling23]

What's funny is a player has a good season and a half and homer fans are ready to crown him over someone that's been a league leader for over a decade. But the lebron fans are the only homers. It wasn't just a few months ago lebron was averaging almost a triple double through out the playoffs and at one point in the finals was around 40/10/10. Not to mention being up in the finals with out the second and third option. But the Warriors did win the title, if curry could have only earned finals mvp, some peoples argument would be much stronger. Is it June yet??? This is all a fun debate, no hard feelings to warrior/curry fans. I'm excited to see how long curry can keep this up. Everyone though Iverson was going to be the man for years to come. It's hard for small guards to get to the top and stay there.

[elee712]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

how about we just agree that you'll never agree with me and I'll never agree with you, that's simple enough

Sorry I'm not closed minded enough to do that. If you raise points that make sense, I have no problem agreeing with you.

[Qwasian]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Debate 101: when proven to be totally wrong and have no idea what you're talking about, resort to Strawman tactics! Lol, cya

no actually my whole point is that curry has the it factor that makes his team win, overall game, personality and knowledge, in which I was correct because they hoisted that trophy and started as a team better than any other team. what is there to debate? how good draymond green and klay thompson are? u can't be serious. whats next bogut is a beast? all those guys are just roll players just like lebrons role players, only thing is warriors win.

[Qwasian]

Originally Posted by Kobe101

What are you talking about?

Fitzpatrick is having a better season then Peyton Manning does that mean he's better then Peyton Manning?

Right now Curry is probably have a better season. His team is 100% having a better season but Durant is pretty damn effective. I think he has a higher EFF % then Curry. But the Warriors are a great team.

So like I said Curry may be having a better season but Durant is better- So if I was going to start a team I would take Durant over Curry but Curry can still be having a better season.

this is not curry's first season being good, he was a popular player ever since he came out of college, it's fitzpatrick better than manning no, but that's not the same thing, brady would be more comparable to manning in which I would say yes brady is better than manning, because he has them rings, he has the ability to make them win.......

I understand lebron has rings as well but he has had the entire world and NBA cater to him ever since he came in the league he was deemed as the chosen one, he should have been able to put up a few more rings in his career, he's kinda winding it down now. he is one of the greatest to ever touch the floor no doubt about it, curry is just now better.guards are typically always higher skilled players, as a card collector you should know that, it's why they usually sell higher.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by elee712

Sorry I'm not closed minded enough to do that. If you raise points that make sense, I have no problem agreeing with you.

So basically the only time you'll ever agree with me is when I say Curry is the best basketball player of all time and lebron sucks lmao!