Topps Project 2020 is the worst product since 1991 Fleer

[JRX]

There's no way they avg 3999 for base, even if they did 999 I think it would be a stretch.

[Flip024]

So, the first 5
Wander Franco - Malik Roberts
Derek Jeter - NoPattern
Shohei Ohtani - J. Demsky
Mookie Betts - Andre Power
Roberto Clemente - John Geiger

Tops here for me is the Wander from Roberts, not surprising since he's one of two artists on this roster and this is definitely in line with other work he's done. Most surprising here is the Clemente. Like the other non Roberts cards, it has a design around an existing image but it all (except the laser eyes) works together. The Betts is the weakest of the 5, looking like a .25 insert from any Topps release. Was hoping for more from NoPattern and got pretty much what was expected from Demsky. Now, just waiting for pricing info

[BrettsSkidMarks]

The 3,999 move by Topps is not as crazy as it seems.

For the first 100 cards of Project 70, Only a few cards dipped down below 2k PR. And that was with 15-20 cards dropping a week.

These sets have gotten way out of their control the other ways they've done them, this should make everything go much smoother on their end (less issues with artists getting work rejected, no unexpected surges in PRs leading to supply chain issues, etc.).

I won't be surprised if they all sell out. There's enough interest in art sets and strong FOMO with the collectors of these sets. The things that will work against them is if there truly aren't any hits, and the big question mark is pricing (both MSRP, and if there's any discount for buying in bulk).

[eldustino]

Originally Posted by BrettsSkidMarks

The 3,999 move by Topps is not as crazy as it seems.

What about the (apparent) lack of any chase cards for purchasers of the 3,899 base edition cards available?

High PRs in project 70 were due to people (including folks here) buying 10 packs ("bricks") hoping for a foil.

a 3,999 stated PR will not induce much FOMO if there are no chase cards. I realize Topps doesn't state whether or not base edition cards have any chase aspect, but Topps did decide to take the value of numbered foils for themselves rather than "give" those away.

[PDCCollectibles]

Originally Posted by Silas Barnaby

Now that there is unique foil printing on every Project 100 card, I wonder if that will make the base cards from Project 2020 and Project 70 more desirable since they are foilless.

Doubt it....

[BrettsSkidMarks]

Originally Posted by eldustino

What about the (apparent) lack of any chase cards for purchasers of the 3,899 base edition cards available?

High PRs in project 70 were due to people (including folks here) buying 10 packs ("bricks") hoping for a foil.

a 3,999 stated PR will not induce much FOMO if there are no chase cards. I realize Topps doesn't state whether or not base edition cards have any chase aspect, but Topps did decide to take the value of numbered foils for themselves rather than "give" those away.

Yeah I mentioned that in my last sentence, it's a big factor for sure if there aren't hits. But also remember that many of the first 10 or so P70 cards were selling for like $40-$50 on the secondary market for a few weeks at the start despite astronomical PRs. People just get silly with these and never learn, and slowing down the release schedule so much leaves a lot of room for silliness.

[eldustino]

I see that now in your post, was buried a bit by the lead... and we'll know better (or not) a week from now.

I can imagine a very appealing card, or card 1 being the strongest "art" card of the first drop, selling out, but another Roberto Clemente card, this time with laser eyes? No chance there is demand for 3,899 base cards at $20-30 per, except for the week one novelty you alluded to.

Just my opinion, we'll see whether these are still available at the end of 6/7 days, but the lack of PRs is going to make plenty of people, less interested, not more. So now only the truly great cards/subjects have any chance of hitting that number, and the bad cards, will just be bad cards, without our knowledge that only 505 were sold or whatever (ironically making those outliers more desirable).

My buddy Justin shot that photo of Mookie Betts and when I showed him the preview page, his literal response was "Lol, almost didn't send that" and "I will forever never understand this sh%t"

[BrettsSkidMarks]

I guess I'm saying we're all (naturally) comparing this to what things were like at the end of Project 70, when in reality we probably should be thinking more about what things were like at the start of Project 70. Because the situation is not all that different than it was then.

[cnote81]

People buying this round of cards thinking that "week 1" novelty alone is going to drive secondary sales haven't been paying attention to the last 2 years. There have already been 1300 art cards released into the wild. At least 500 of them are far better than what topps is releasing tomorrow.

[Silas Barnaby]

Originally Posted by BrettsSkidMarks

Because the situation is not all that different than it was then.

When Project 70 started we had one prior project to analyze.

When Project 100 starts we'll have two prior projects to analyze.

So the number of prior projects to analyze has increased by 100%.

Twice bitten, thrice shy.

[80s Kid]

Ohtani averaged over 3999 a card with Project 70. Wander Franco I would think hits 3999.

Derek Jeter had the lowest average of the other three at 1855.

I could see two legit sale outs with Topps covering the print runs on the other three cards. Depends on how much they plan on selling these for and if there really won’t be any chase cards.

Hopefully they print these a lot quicker. We’ll really know how people feel when the Wander Franco cards are out in the wild.

[Silas Barnaby]

Originally Posted by 80s Kid

Hopefully they print these a lot quicker. We’ll really know how people feel when the Wander Franco cards are out in the wild.

Since the print runs are set, maybe they have already been printed and are ready to ship!

[Silas Barnaby]

This is probably the Topps browser verification for the Project 100 Wander Franco AP Edition tomorrow:

[BigRhino]

I see that it says print runs are limited to 3.999 but I read that as them still releasing print runs if it is under that amount. I don't see why they would print that many if say only 500 sold on demand. Maybe I am just being optimistic?

[80s Kid]

Originally Posted by BigRhino

I see that it says print runs are limited to 3.999 but I read that as them still releasing print runs if it is under that amount. I don't see why they would print that many if say only 500 sold on demand. Maybe I am just being optimistic?

I feel like they will make the print runs happen. With the disaster of print runs at the end of P70, it wouldn’t surprise me if the artist contracts this time is for a set amount of money.

[StonedCollector]

Originally Posted by BigRhino

I see that it says print runs are limited to 3.999 but I read that as them still releasing print runs if it is under that amount. I don't see why they would print that many if say only 500 sold on demand. Maybe I am just being optimistic?

from what ive noticed, they still print the cards. they get sold to platinum club members and through other outlets. happens to all the unsold a/p cards.

[StonedCollector]

Originally Posted by Silas Barnaby

Since the print runs are set, maybe they have already been printed and are ready to ship!

tell that to my "ROAD TO OPENING DAY" sets that are now being promised around the ALL STAR BREAK.

seems less topps NOW and more topps PANINI

[Silas Barnaby]

Originally Posted by StonedCollector

from what ive noticed, they still print the cards. they get sold to platinum club members and through other outlets. happens to all the unsold a/p cards.

I look for APs all the time at Ross and Dollar General.

Anyone had any luck?

[ThoseBackPages]

Happy P100 Day!

[StonedCollector]

Originally Posted by Silas Barnaby

I look for APs all the time at Ross and Dollar General.

Anyone had any luck?

the shore 89 bowman aps are good example. they didn't sell out.

there was a point in time (not long after release) that you could get any ap from that set for half the original topps site price. like buy it now. sellers w/ multiples of all of them. selling them for $40 or less. so obviously they were getting them cheaper.

i even ended up w/ the trout ap (27/89 jersey #) for $50.
the cheapest one ended up with was lindor for $15.

at one point i was thinking about doing the set, but about an 1/8th of the way through i thought to myself "why am i doing this?, these cards are not even that good, how did i get here?, am i on drugs?", and i stopped. i do like the clickityness and weight of them though. i like it so much i buy random gold label autos and put them in one touches for the same effect.

[BigRhino]

Originally Posted by StonedCollector

from what ive noticed, they still print the cards. they get sold to platinum club members and through other outlets. happens to all the unsold a/p cards.

I was talking about base cards tho

[StonedCollector]

Originally Posted by BigRhino

I was talking about base cards tho

same thing,
the aps were a set print run that did not sell out.
these are a set print run that will not sell out (cept for wander)

[StonedCollector]

10 minutes.
the build up to project 70 was much more exciting.

[tribefan1979]

Originally Posted by StonedCollector

10 minutes.
the build up to project 70 was much more exciting.

I would be more excited if they didn't preview the cards already. That was another part of P70 that made the daily releases so fun... not seeing the cards until release time (most of the time). Hopefully the rest of the releases aren't previewed ahead of time.

[tribefan1979]

Last minute fingers crossed for dutch auction style pricing.