PWCC Altered Cards Callout Thread - 1952 Topps Mantle etc

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

Does Blowout take ads from PWCC or anyone?

No. BO is legit, and should be commended for allowing these discussions to continue as we know there has been pressure to remove them.

[HarryLime]

Some comments have gone poof.

Arthur

[PWCC Marketplace]

These threads continue to be appreciated and we are grateful for the research.

While the original subject of this thread, the '52 Mantle, is an example of how a card can, in our opinion, be conserved, there have been a number of cards identified on this thread that do fit the definition of alteration.

Thanks to these important efforts, I will say that the submitters of the items that have been identified as altered are prohibited from participating in the PWCC Marketplace moving forward based on the terms of our Marketplace Tenets. We are also working with the grading companies to address the issue according to our Tenets.

Please don't hesitate to contact me at betsy@pwccmarketplace.com with any specific questions or comments.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by PWCC Marketplace

These threads continue to be appreciated and we are grateful for the research.

While the original subject of this thread, the '52 Mantle, is an example of how a card can, in our opinion, be conserved, there have been a number of cards identified on this thread that do fit the definition of alteration.

Thanks to these important efforts, I will say that the submitters of the items that have been identified as altered are prohibited from participating in the PWCC Marketplace moving forward based on the terms of our Marketplace Tenets. We are also working with the grading companies to address the issue according to our Tenets.

Please don't hesitate to contact me at betsy@pwccmarketplace.com with any specific questions or comments.

while this is commendable, whos to stop BNC & Company from having their friend Johnny Tuesday submit them on their behalf?

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

while this is commendable, whos to stop BNC & Company from having their friend Johnny Tuesday submit them on their behalf?

consigning is a scam

[mrdallas]

One can only hope at some point the FBI or an authoritative figure deems this cause worthy of an investigation. At that point these are a few things I would like to see: (And I know this is a pipe dream at this point)

1) Out the primary trimmers in the greater public eye allowing for some sort of repercussions to those that have profited very handsomely from this mess. (Story on Yahoo etc.)

2) Some sort of prosecution to the willing participants and reparations to the affected parties

3) The real truth behind the relationship behind PWCC, PSA and the biggest trimmers in the game.

4) Sit back and watch the biggest players in the game start to turn on one another for a better deal when faced with some sort of punishment.

[corndog]

Originally Posted by PWCC Marketplace

These threads continue to be appreciated and we are grateful for the research.

While the original subject of this thread, the '52 Mantle, is an example of how a card can, in our opinion, be conserved, there have been a number of cards identified on this thread that do fit the definition of alteration.

Thanks to these important efforts, I will say that the submitters of the items that have been identified as altered are prohibited from participating in the PWCC Marketplace moving forward based on the terms of our Marketplace Tenets. We are also working with the grading companies to address the issue according to our Tenets.

Please don't hesitate to contact me at betsy@pwccmarketplace.com with any specific questions or comments.

It's too late.

[HarryLime]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

while this is commendable, whos to stop BNC & Company from having their friend Johnny Tuesday submit them on their behalf?

Doesn't matter. All that matters is CYA. Notify Butch, Spike, and Blade that you're no longer accepting consignments directly from them and -- Shazam! -- the proverbial backside is covered and plausible deniability is obtained for when they just have Little Butchy Jr. submit the cards under a different address. And the wheel keeps on turnin'.

Arthur

[TheRealDeal]

Originally Posted by PWCC Marketplace

These threads continue to be appreciated and we are grateful for the research.

While the original subject of this thread, the '52 Mantle, is an example of how a card can, in our opinion, be conserved, there have been a number of cards identified on this thread that do fit the definition of alteration.

Thanks to these important efforts, I will say that the submitters of the items that have been identified as altered are prohibited from participating in the PWCC Marketplace moving forward based on the terms of our Marketplace Tenets. We are also working with the grading companies to address the issue according to our Tenets.

Please don't hesitate to contact me at betsy@pwccmarketplace.com with any specific questions or comments.

Brent, you're not grateful at all. You were caught and now you're shitting your pants. Probably time to hire a criminal attorney and stop trying to fix this yourself, because you're not as smart as you are dishonest.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by PWCC Marketplace

These threads continue to be appreciated and we are grateful for the research.

While the original subject of this thread, the '52 Mantle, is an example of how a card can, in our opinion, be conserved, there have been a number of cards identified on this thread that do fit the definition of alteration.

Thanks to these important efforts, I will say that the submitters of the items that have been identified as altered are prohibited from participating in the PWCC Marketplace moving forward based on the terms of our Marketplace Tenets. We are also working with the grading companies to address the issue according to our Tenets.

Please don't hesitate to contact me at betsy@pwccmarketplace.com with any specific questions or comments.

I asked this and you have not answered. What is your policy on cards that are discovered to be “conserved” during auction? You state if you know beforehand you will disclose it. But with the Mantle, you only disclosed it on Instagram. Never on eBay.

[CardsCollectMe]

Alteration is conservation??? Are they serious??? Is that PSA and BGS' opinion as well??? Cause if it is, consider me completely OUT on them as TPGs.

[SanAntonioSpurs]

Originally Posted by PWCC Marketplace

These threads continue to be appreciated and we are grateful for the research.

While the original subject of this thread, the '52 Mantle, is an example of how a card can, in our opinion, be conserved, there have been a number of cards identified on this thread that do fit the definition of alteration.

Thanks to these important efforts, I will say that the submitters of the items that have been identified as altered are prohibited from participating in the PWCC Marketplace moving forward based on the terms of our Marketplace Tenets. We are also working with the grading companies to address the issue according to our Tenets.

Please don't hesitate to contact me at betsy@pwccmarketplace.com with any specific questions or comments.

I'll add to the "PWCC is full of crap and is pulling a knee jerk reaction because the POOP is getting too deep" and now they have to repond. I sent a message to PWCC back on Dec 3rd and let them know a patch was altered on an item I was going to bid on. I sent a link that clearly showed the serial number with the original patch.

Screen shots below - Robby Rittenhouse responded and that was the end of that - no action taken. I also included the 2 links that show the prior patch before alteration and the link to where it sold on Dec 11th - 8 days after I sent them a message regarding authenticity.

If PWCC really cared as they claim they do, they would've been taking reports serious all along, not just when the crap hits the fan and they are forced to take action. All this damage control and "we care about the hobby" is laughable.

Here's the link before the patch was altered

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...5-sp-game-used

Here's the link to show where PWCC let the auction run until it sold even after being shown it was altered - no action taken. PWCC had 8 days to "investigate" but chose to collect that consignment fee instead.

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ogo-1965148504

[3124508 on COMC]

Did you know that Brady was also trimmed?

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1293488

[SanAntonioSpurs]

I didn't know it was trimmed. Once I saw the patch was fake I didn't investigate any further.

[hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by PWCC Marketplace

These threads continue to be appreciated and we are grateful for the research.

While the original subject of this thread, the '52 Mantle, is an example of how a card can, in our opinion, be conserved, there have been a number of cards identified on this thread that do fit the definition of alteration.

Thanks to these important efforts, I will say that the submitters of the items that have been identified as altered are prohibited from participating in the PWCC Marketplace moving forward based on the terms of our Marketplace Tenets. We are also working with the grading companies to address the issue according to our Tenets.

Please don't hesitate to contact me at betsy@pwccmarketplace.com with any specific questions or comments.

Betsy, was the work done on the Mantle disclosed to the buyer?

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[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by hxcmilkshake

Betsy, was the work done on the Mantle disclosed to the buyer?

Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

The buyer still hasn't paid, so who knows if it was even a legit sale.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by SanAntonioSpurs

I'll add to the "PWCC is full of crap and is pulling a knee jerk reaction because the POOP is getting too deep" and now they have to repond. I sent a message to PWCC back on Dec 3rd and let them know a patch was altered on an item I was going to bid on. I sent a link that clearly showed the serial number with the original patch.

Screen shots below - Robby Rittenhouse responded and that was the end of that - no action taken. I also included the 2 links that show the prior patch before alteration and the link to where it sold on Dec 11th - 8 days after I sent them a message regarding authenticity.

If PWCC really cared as they claim they do, they would've been taking reports serious all along, not just when the crap hits the fan and they are forced to take action. All this damage control and "we care about the hobby" is laughable.

Here's the link before the patch was altered

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...5-sp-game-used

Here's the link to show where PWCC let the auction run until it sold even after being shown it was altered - no action taken. PWCC had 8 days to "investigate" but chose to collect that consignment fee instead.

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ogo-1965148504

Thank you for this post. Terrific evidence that shows they are not being proactive despite their claims.

[corndog]

1941 Play Ball Joe DiMaggio #71

This card was sold by PWCC as a PSA Authentic Altered on Sept. 12, 2017. Worthpoint link: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...psa-1886535489
Same card sold by PWCC as a PSA-4 on Nov. 9, 2018. Worthpoint link: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...psa-1961351340

If you will notice all four corners have been intentionally "aged" on the PSA-4 version.

Fronts of PSA-4 and Authentic Altered



Backs of PSA-4 and Authentic Altered with identifiers

[cnewby]

<<<crickets>>>

[rcmb3220]

Certified premium quality tho. Can’t wait for that phrase to become a pejorative.

[jstephens24]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I asked this and you have not answered. What is your policy on cards that are discovered to be “conserved” during auction? You state if you know beforehand you will disclose it. But with the Mantle, you only disclosed it on Instagram. Never on eBay.

have you tried directly emailing? I am sure you wont get a response but you can try.

I just sent an email asking for a list of cards sent in by trimmers. If person A is found to have sent in trimmed cards then a list of all cards sent in by person A. So Betsy if you are reading this then that was me.

[superdan49]

$1,682 value gained on that DiMaggio

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

while this is commendable, whos to stop BNC & Company from having their friend Johnny Tuesday submit them on their behalf?

Yes, to what extent are the consigners responsible for determining provenance...?

Combined with the online sales tax, cards may start to become prohibitively expensive!

[superdan49]

1935 National Chicle #27 Bull Tosi PSA 6 to PSA 8

Sold on 11/18/2018 as a PSA 6 by PWCC to whitman111 (Gary Moser) for $2,924
Consigned to PWCC as a PSA 8 and sold on 3/24/2019 for $21,700
Value gain of $18,776!

This one shows how a quick corner repair and/or rebuild can turn a nice mid-grade card into a high-end masterpiece. The question that must be asked: Was Moser consigning these cards under his own name or the name of another individual or company? That should be publicly addressed. I do think it is good that PWCC has now vowed to stop working with him, but I feel legal action needs to be taken against him to stop this behavior for good (I'm looking in your direction, PSA).


https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1857472



https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1932374



https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1932374

[ThoseBackPages]