PWCC Altered Cards Callout Thread - 1952 Topps Mantle etc - Page 42

rcmb3220 · 05-15-2019, 04:29 PM

So one of their bigger buyers is also one of their biggest consignees who happened to buy a lot of the same issues he sends them and it takes an anonymous group of fraud fightering criminals for them to catch on?

superdan49 · 05-15-2019, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by rcmb3220

So one of their bigger buyers is also one of their biggest consignees who happened to buy a lot of the same issues he sends them and it takes an anonymous group of fraud fightering criminals for them to catch on?

Yes. The question I believe PWCC needs to answer: does Moser submit these items for consignment under his own name or another name?

The question I believe PSA needs to answer: who is submitting these cards for grading? Moser or a third party?

KhalDrogo · 05-15-2019, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jstephens24

have you tried directly emailing? I am sure you wont get a response but you can try.

I just sent an email asking for a list of cards sent in by trimmers. If person A is found to have sent in trimmed cards then a list of all cards sent in by person A. So Betsy if you are reading this then that was me.

I will email this evening. I was hoping they would respond in the thread.

jjeanius · 05-15-2019, 05:02 PM

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I will email this evening. I was hoping they would respond in the thread.

Why on Earth would they do that...? Responding here would indicate a desire to clear things up and clean up this mess. Doubt that will happen.

I just recently sent them a big chunk of money in the form of large consignments for auctions 5 and 6. Might need to reconsider using PWCC in the future depending on how they choose to address this fiasco. I used to think extremely highly of PWCC. My confidence in them is now seriously shaken.

KhalDrogo · 05-15-2019, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jjeanius

Why on Earth would they do that...? Responding here would indicate a desire to clear things up and clean up this mess. Doubt that will happen.

I knew they wouldn't respond. Just like to prove it

KhalDrogo · 05-15-2019, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by superdan49

The question that must be asked: Was Moser consigning these cards under his own name or the name of another individual or company? That should be publicly addressed. I do think it is good that PWCC has now vowed to stop working with him, but I feel legal action needs to be taken against him to stop this behavior for good (I'm looking in your direction, PSA).

Dan, forgive me if I missed it, but PWCC did not state specifically they would not work with Moser, correct?

3124508 on COMC · 05-15-2019, 05:08 PM

PWCC dumping photo evidence of trimmed cards from their website as I type this.

3124508 on COMC · 05-15-2019, 05:09 PM

All the Moser cards appear to be gone.

ThoseBackPages · 05-15-2019, 05:10 PM

pcptrade · 05-15-2019, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

PWCC dumping photo evidence of trimmed cards from their website as I type this.

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Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

All the Moser cards appear to be gone.

I had a feeling this was coming. Why offer a free sales history/auction archive feature which enables others to incriminate them.

Luckcard22 · 05-15-2019, 05:12 PM

Here we go...

boston12 · 05-15-2019, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

PWCC dumping photo evidence of trimmed cards from their website as I type this.

I have not been part of this mad mob. But this right here is highly questionable to say the least.

KhalDrogo · 05-15-2019, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

All the Moser cards appear to be gone.

Wow!!! Too bad for them that all the evidence is being preserved.

ThoseBackPages · 05-15-2019, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

PWCC dumping photo evidence of trimmed cards from their website as I type this.

just the trimmed cards? or all cards?

3124508 on COMC · 05-15-2019, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

just the trimmed cards? or all cards?

Not all cards and most/all trimmed cards.

KhalDrogo · 05-15-2019, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

Not all cards and most/all trimmed cards.

Ones you've flagged here as trimmed? Or additional cards also?

And is it just Moser? How do they know these are altered?

ThoseBackPages · 05-15-2019, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

Not all cards and most/all trimmed cards.

oh my.

jjeanius · 05-15-2019, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

All the Moser cards appear to be gone.

First trimmed...now shredded?!?

3124508 on COMC · 05-15-2019, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Ones you've flagged here as trimmed? Or additional cards also?

And is it just Moser? How do they know these are altered?

All the trimmers.

jjeanius · 05-15-2019, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Ones you've flagged here as trimmed? Or additional cards also?

And is it just Moser? How do they know these are altered?

How indeed.

discostu · 05-15-2019, 05:23 PM

* If there's a hell way down below, I bet you see someone you know *

superdan49 · 05-15-2019, 05:25 PM

I pray this is an ill-timed server glitch. I've had a cordial working relationship with PWCC to this point, and support the Marketplace Tenets if they are upheld. I know this is a minority opinion on this board.

But the integrity of that archive must be maintained.

mrdallas · 05-15-2019, 05:26 PM

The BEST thing about the internet is once it has been posted, it is still SOMEWHERE to be found. Good Luck disposing of evidence Brent and Betsy

gabballplayer14 · 05-15-2019, 05:29 PM

This absolutely pathetic by PWCC, and any chance they had of getting any more of my business is completely gone. I hope others follow suit, as each and every bid on an item equals more money in the pockets of these liars and con artists.

palmetto7 · 05-15-2019, 05:32 PM

Wouldnt bid on any of their stuff ever, not that I did much anyway....always shilled in my opinion.

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rcmb3220 Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 4,136	So one of their bigger buyers is also one of their biggest consignees who happened to buy a lot of the same issues he sends them and it takes an anonymous group of fraud fightering criminals for them to catch on?

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3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,392	PWCC dumping photo evidence of trimmed cards from their website as I type this.

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3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,392	All the Moser cards appear to be gone.

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mrdallas Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 4,831 robbyg8	The BEST thing about the internet is once it has been posted, it is still SOMEWHERE to be found. Good Luck disposing of evidence Brent and Betsy

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gabballplayer14 Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 5,598	This absolutely pathetic by PWCC, and any chance they had of getting any more of my business is completely gone. I hope others follow suit, as each and every bid on an item equals more money in the pockets of these liars and con artists.

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palmetto7 Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 3,429	Wouldnt bid on any of their stuff ever, not that I did much anyway....always shilled in my opinion.