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[ninjabum87]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

The weight comments are lazy and boring but in what universe is Zion all nba?

Seriously, who’s he bumping out of 3rd team? LeBron? Tatum? AD? He wouldn’t be 5th team all NBA

I mean he’s not even on the honorable mention list of the next 10 guys. He had a few 3rd team votes in his best season 20-21 and he was objectively worse this year by nearly every measure.

I'd say in a post ASB window he'd have a case for 2nd or 3rd team, he's right in the thick of it with guys like Edwards, Durant, etc. But for entire season yeah that's an accurate assessment.

If he comes into next season in this level of shape and plays like CY24 Zion he'll have a chance at being right there in the mix. I hope he uses this season as fuel. If he comes into next season out of shape then that's prolly all she wrote.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by ninjabum87

I'd say in a post ASB window he'd have a case for 2nd or 3rd team, he's right in the thick of it with guys like Edwards, Durant, etc. But for entire season yeah that's an accurate assessment.

If he comes into next season in this level of shape and plays like CY24 Zion he'll have a chance at being right there in the mix. I hope he uses this season as fuel. If he comes into next season out of shape then that's prolly all she wrote.

Here's the way I see it

If you had a magic machine that prevented any injury, Zion could probably average 30ppg without taking any jumpshots. He's that good around the rim, and impossible to stop when he's coming at you full speed.

Unfortunately, he can't stay healthy.

So that brings you to toned down, health conscious Zion (which I think is part of the reason his stats across the board dipped quite a bit). I don't think that Zion is really that special. He can't shoot, only plays defense when he feels like it, and even then it's not that good, he's improved as a playmaker but not a guy who can lean on it for a consistent period of time...

[boxbuster7]

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[ninjabum87]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Here's the way I see it

If you had a magic machine that prevented any injury, Zion could probably average 30ppg without taking any jumpshots. He's that good around the rim, and impossible to stop when he's coming at you full speed.

Unfortunately, he can't stay healthy.

So that brings you to toned down, health conscious Zion (which I think is part of the reason his stats across the board dipped quite a bit). I don't think that Zion is really that special. He can't shoot, only plays defense when he feels like it, and even then it's not that good, he's improved as a playmaker but not a guy who can lean on it for a consistent period of time...

Idk, if he develops his mid range and bumps up the effort on rebounding and defensive end next season I'd say they're in good shape. I'd rather see a positive trend in minutes and effort and conditioning than a negative trend so just gotta see if it continues or if this season was an outlier.

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by mbrahv1984

Consider the source. That's coming from a guy who legitimately thinks that Victor Wembanyama needs to put on 40-50 lbs of "muscle" to be effective. I think we can agree that guy's opinions on NBA body types can be completely ignored my brother.

Why don’t you and blackandgold go …. have a nice day

You’re right. I’m not even sure why, but the past 2 days I’ve been focusing on Players weight …. Zion has too much, Wemby has too little. Both are tremendous athletes, who can do things I’ve never dreamed of myself, and whatever works for them is good for all of us.

I’m going to stop focusing on sweaty Mens bodies from now on —- not a good look!

[mikejones]

This guy can't catch a break.

[ninjacookies]

Influx of replies in the BBW meta...can only mean one thing.

Hindsight #antifaT crew on the czeck-in.



1) nobody that still regularly posts in here gives a frrrrruuuuuuuuuck *Troi Torain voice* about kard prices.

2) 'cruising to contract metric milestones' Zion is still borderline All-NBA. Locked in, full-effort Zion is unequivocally there. But we'll probably only ever get that in the postseason because those Moriah tributes won't pay themselves and he's shook that stuff like last night will happen even though he's in Ronnie Coleman form.


Best part if you're still one of the 5 people remaining on earth still searching for a lifeline on your slabs? Prices probably bottomed out, and he had his best season since his rookie year.

Barring some catastrophic Ben Simmons IG black swan Kardashian event, he'll at least hold some form of social relevance within bbk circles.

[yiguiri2002]

I mostly agree ninja. I just don't think it's worth buying right now.

It's not just Zion, it's also the franchise. Not enough trust in either of them to do the right thing.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

I mostly agree ninja. I just don't think it's worth buying right now.

It's not just Zion, it's also the franchise. Not enough trust in either of them to do the right thing.

I don't think anyone's really buying any players rn outside of the goats and dude with the thyroid condition in cowboy country.


I agree. There's not much upside with this current franchise. They're stuck in mid purgatory until wholesale changes occur.

[ninjabum87]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Influx of replies in the BBW meta...can only mean one thing.

Hindsight #antifaT crew on the czeck-in.



1) nobody that still regularly posts in here gives a frrrrruuuuuuuuuck *Troi Torain voice* about kard prices.

2) 'cruising to contract metric milestones' Zion is still borderline All-NBA. Locked in, full-effort Zion is unequivocally there. But we'll probably only ever get that in the postseason because those Moriah tributes won't pay themselves and he's shook that stuff like last night will happen even though he's in Ronnie Coleman form.


Best part if you're still one of the 5 people remaining on earth still searching for a lifeline on your slabs? Prices probably bottomed out, and he had his best season since his rookie year.

Barring some catastrophic Ben Simmons IG black swan Kardashian event, he'll at least hold some form of social relevance within bbk circles.

Yeah, in the same way nobody buys PS4s looking at long term resale I generally dgaf with the Zion cards I buy. I ask "Does he look bootilicious?" and "do I mind spending this money and never seeing it again?"

If I didn't spend money on cards I'd be spending it buying random dumb ass shiz like native blankets from Pendleton or shoes or skins in video games so whatever.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by ninjabum87

Yeah, in the same way nobody buys PS4s looking at long term resale I generally dgaf with the Zion cards I buy. I ask "Does he look bootilicious?" and "do I mind spending this money and never seeing it again?"

If I didn't spend money on cards I'd be spending it buying random dumb ass shiz like native blankets from Pendleton or shoes or skins in video games so whatever.

[blackandgold]

After some recollection evaluating the team and coach I can definitely get on board with dumping Ingram and CJ to get a good point guard As far as Willie-he needs to go also No designed plays line ups etc have been atrocious these last 7 home games How could you not see last night Nance was being targeted as opposed to when Jonas was in. Now moving to the GM I really do think his hands have been tied and really doesn’t have much of leash to roam with. Hes definitely acquired some great talent and has done good with some draft picks. Will the organization see it like this-I doubt it New Orleans has always been a football town

[ninjabum87]

Valanciunas was struggling out there, thats why he disappeared the rest of the game and they rolled with Nance.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by ninjabum87

Valanciunas was struggling out there, thats why he disappeared the rest of the game and they rolled with Nance.

Their shift to the small ball LU was the only reason that game was competitive at the end.

Problem with Kelce is he's still a plodder that offers little rim protection. He doesn't make sense on the squad because they have the personnel to execute a fast paced run n' gun offense. At least with Adams, he was a shotblocker and exceptional at setting picks for Zion.

I still think Jarret Allen is a nice fit because he's not ball dominant and anchors the paint while doing all the dirty work. Pair him with a combo guard like Murray and a 3&D in Gary Trent Jr and it's gravy.

[ninjabum87]

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BI needs ta go.

[ninjabum87]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Their shift to the small ball LU was the only reason that game was competitive at the end.

Problem with Kelce is he's still a plodder that offers little rim protection. He doesn't make sense on the squad because they have the personnel to execute a fast paced run n' gun offense. At least with Adams, he was a shotblocker and exceptional at setting picks for Zion.

I still think Jarret Allen is a nice fit because he's not ball dominant and anchors the paint while doing all the dirty work. Pair him with a combo guard like Murray and a 3&D in Gary Trent Jr and it's gravy.

Yeah Allen would be a pretty nice upgrade really. Last thing they need is someone who needs the ball all the time at that spot.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by ninjabum87

Yeah Allen would be a pretty nice upgrade really. Last thing they need is someone who needs the ball all the time at that spot.

The issue is they currently have too many shooters. With low efficiency. And the ones that do take bulk of the shots aren't good enough defensively to make up for those tough nights. If they're committed, they need to be all-in on having Zion taking the lion's share of the shots and anchoring the offensive output. Because time and time again he's showed he looks to pass first when defenses collapse.

Having a theoretical backcourt with DM and GTJ, with JA in the paint and Trey potentially at the 3 feels like a massive upgrade in my eyes. Actual gamers with fire and tenacity. Then you maintain flexibility with Herb off the bench and probably clear enough cap for one additional solid piece.

[drobfan8]

Wow, so much traffic.

Now everyone is interested? LOL.

Zion isn't an All NBAer, he couldn't even go at 100% all season.

He needs a move or he needs BI out the way and a legit PG. Keep McCollum.

What a beast. Solid season. Imagine him playing alongside a Luka or somethin....

[ninjabum87]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

The issue is they currently have too many shooters. With low efficiency. And the ones that do take bulk of the shots aren't good enough defensively to make up for those tough nights. If they're committed, they need to be all-in on having Zion taking the lion's share of the shots and anchoring the offensive output. Because time and time again he's showed he looks to pass first when defenses collapse.

Having a theoretical backcourt with DM and GTJ, with JA in the paint and Trey potentially at the 3 feels like a massive upgrade in my eyes. Actual gamers with fire and tenacity. Then you maintain flexibility with Herb off the bench and probably clear enough cap for one additional solid piece.

Yeah that'd be a lot better. We will see what happens. If they keep BI and CJ next year then it's eyeroll time.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by ninjabum87

If they keep BI and CJ next year then it's eyeroll time.

inb4 reality.

Griffin's seemed to glean the forever Doc Rivers treatment ever since Lebron magically fell into Cleveland's lap 120 years ago.

I will never understand it.

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Milli Vanilli >>>>Z Willie

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The real issue is pretty clear: if the Pels want to be contenders, they have to build around somebody else than Zion. If they want to keep selling jerseys, keeping Zion is the way (for how long?). Can't have them both.

[blackandgold]

Originally Posted by ninjabum87

Valanciunas was struggling out there, thats why he disappeared the rest of the game and they rolled with Nance.

Nance got abused by AD also Nance had 3 turnovers and commited 3 fouls At least Jonas somewhat guarded AD

[blackandgold]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

inb4 reality.

Griffin's seemed to glean the forever Doc Rivers treatment ever since Lebron magically fell into Cleveland's lap 120 years ago.

I will never understand it.

You know that the teams record has improved every year since Griffen/Willie has been there Not trying to defend them as upgrades should be in the works