The OFFICIAL 2022 NBA Offseason thread - Page 43

RogerGodahell · 08-26-2022, 04:32 PM

This is actually the 3rd year in a row Luka is the preseaon favorite. It doesn't mean anything though until he actually wins it. It's still impressive though to be regarded that highly as he enters his 23 year old season.

The Euros are definitely catching up to Americans in talent. Not quite as as good yet overall but they're starting to spit out a lot more gems. Even in the Olympics a lot of games are more competitive now than they used to be. Those teams used to get pounded by team USA in the 90's and prior. Some of it is the quality that team USA puts together but i think the talent overseas is getting better as well. Just imagine if Yugoslavia didn't break up, Jokic and Doncic would be on the same team right now in Eurobasket and the Olympics.

jcardstore · 08-26-2022, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RogerGodahell

This is actually the 3rd year in a row Luka is the preseaon favorite. It doesn't mean anything though until he actually wins it. It's still impressive though to be regarded that highly as he enters his 23 year old season.

The Euros are definitely catching up to Americans in talent. Not quite as as good yet overall but they're starting to spit out a lot more gems. Even in the Olympics a lot of games are more competitive now than they used to be. Those teams used to get pounded by team USA in the 90's and prior. Some of it is the quality that team USA puts together but i think the talent overseas is getting better as well. Just imagine if Yugoslavia didn't break up, Jokic and Doncic would be on the same team right now in Eurobasket and the Olympics.

People are gonna hate to hear this but Euros passed Americans a few years ago in league talent.

mfw13 · 08-26-2022, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RogerGodahell

The Euros are definitely catching up to Americans in talent.

I would love to see a USA vs. the World format used for the All-Star Game instead of the ridiculous format they are using now.

Imagine Jokic, Doncic, Giannis, and Embiid all on the same team, perhaps with Andrew Wiggins rounding out the starting five.

RogerGodahell · 08-26-2022, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jcardstore

People are gonna hate to hear this but Euros passed Americans a few years ago in league talent.

You're probably right considering the pool size population to choose from. I'd like to see them play a game like mfw13 said. USA vs All-World.

Dame · 08-26-2022, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mfw13

I would love to see a USA vs. the World format used for the All-Star Game instead of the ridiculous format they are using now.

Imagine Jokic, Doncic, Giannis, and Embiid all on the same team, perhaps with Andrew Wiggins rounding out the starting five.

I'll give team World the slight edge. The best American players are at the end or near the tail of their careers (Lebron, Curry, Durant, CP3) Kawhi hasn't been the same since winning a title in TDOT. AD has regressed.

The younger crop (Trae, Ja, Tatum, Booker) are all quite good but I'm not too sure if they're in the upper echelon yet. I guess if healthy, you can put Zion and if sane, Kyrie are the best in that group.

International list just looks like a very balanced team that can co-exist without any issues due to their advanced understanding of all thing fundamentals.

Jokic
Luka
Giannis
Sabonis
Patty
Rudy G
Shai
Siakam
Jamal Murray

tjforce · 08-26-2022, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dame

I'll give team World the slight edge. The best American players are at the end or near the tail of their careers (Lebron, Curry, Durant, CP3) Kawhi hasn't been the same since winning a title in TDOT. AD has regressed.

The younger crop (Trae, Ja, Tatum, Booker) are all quite good but I'm not too sure if they're in the upper echelon yet. I guess if healthy, you can put Zion and if sane, Kyrie are the best in that group.

International list just looks like a very balanced team that can co-exist without any issues due to their advanced understanding of all thing fundamentals.

Jokic
Luka
Giannis
Sabonis
Patty
Rudy G
Shai
Siakam
Jamal Murray

The obvious problem here is doing this with the All Star selection process.

Last year you only had 6 (please correct me if I'm wrong) International born players start in the All Star game. Obviously you can't have 6 on 20 for the game.

If you split the voting into "US" vs "International" for selection, deserving US born players would get snubbed, and undeserving International players chosen, since the league is still about 73% US born (121 international players of a league with ~450 players)

jcardstore · 08-26-2022, 08:16 PM

If you put together a game 15x15 euros vs americans it wouldn’t even be close. Euro players would wipe the floor with the Americans.

Basketball is international. It has been for 10+ years and honestly AAU makes players worse. European players come into the league ready to play because they learn the fundamentals of basketball. All the AAU kids wanna do now is throw up 30fters and shimmy

oshmeehan · 08-28-2022, 01:06 PM

Uhhhh....

GOATcards · 08-28-2022, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mfw13

I would love to see a USA vs. the World format used for the All-Star Game instead of the ridiculous format they are using now.

Imagine Jokic, Doncic, Giannis, and Embiid all on the same team, perhaps with Andrew Wiggins rounding out the starting five.

who plays the Center position?

daeve · 08-28-2022, 06:44 PM

Gallinari torn meniscus... tough offseason for Boston so far. Got the closest to the KD sweepstakes only to fall short and now their main vet depth acquisition is down.

ninjacookies · 08-28-2022, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by oshmeehan

Uhhhh....

Senokot endorsement incoming.

GOATcards · 08-28-2022, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dame

Amazing how Euros dominate the league. Last 4 MVP’s with Luka coming in as the favorite this upcoming season.

I assume there's a very high likelihood that one of Giannis, Luka, Joker or Embiid get the MVP. They are all more or less of MVP-winning age (Luka being faster to that stage than the others). I don't even know if I can think of another player in the league that could snatch an MVP from all 4 of these players. Guess I'll have to check what the oddsmakers are showing.

The NBA seems somewhat top-heavy with the Euro-sourced talent. I haven't taken much time to think about what the causes for that are.

[edit: Durant at +700, seems kinda optimistic for him, dunnit?]

JustinVerlander07 · 08-30-2022, 06:54 AM

RJ Barrett's extension....like are we even sure he's any good? Volume chucker right now.

Career 45% 2 point shooter and he's 6'6...

jcardstore · 08-30-2022, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

RJ Barrett's extension....like are we even sure he's any good? Volume chucker right now.

Career 45% 2 point shooter and he's 6'6...

He's not very good but that's just the going rate for players now.

The Knicks are just going to be in purgatory forever. To have $75M/yr tied up in Brunson, Barrett, Randle is just comically bad.

Yay for the play in!

KhalDrogo · 08-30-2022, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by jcardstore

He's not very good but that's just the going rate for players now.

The Knicks are just going to be in purgatory forever. To have $75M/yr tied up in Brunson, Barrett, Randle is just comically bad.

Yay for the play in!

I love it. Three players who are #2s at their absolute best. Bold strategy Cotton.

Boo · 08-30-2022, 07:51 AM

So I guess that squashes the Mitchell to the Knicks talk?

indyguy · 08-30-2022, 09:16 AM

Two really crazy things from the article about the extension:

1. Barrett's deal ends a remarkable 23-year drought for the Knicks: He's the franchise's first draft pick to agree to a multiyear contract extension after his rookie deal since Charlie Ward in 1999, according to ESPN Stats & Information research.

2. Barrett is one of only five players in NBA history to amass 3,000 points, 1,000 rebounds and 200 3-pointers before his 22nd birthday, joining Kobe Bryant, Luka Doncic, Kevin Durant and LeBron James.

asujbl · 08-30-2022, 10:52 AM

I couldn’t give two craps about the Knicks but I’d absolutely pay Barrett this money. He’s only going to get better

He’s legit. I disagree he’s just a “chucker”

daeve · 08-30-2022, 11:58 AM

Markieff "Jokic Coma" Morris to the Nets - really rounding out what could be the most unlikable team of all-time

KhalDrogo · 08-30-2022, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by daeve

Markieff "Jokic Coma" Morris to the Nets - really rounding out what could be the most unlikable team of all-time

Poor Steve Nash. What a collection of characters.

matt roberson · 08-30-2022, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by daeve

Markieff "Jokic Coma" Morris to the Nets - really rounding out what could be the most unlikable team of all-time

How long until this team self implodes? What are the odds for whether Morris cheap shots one of his own teammates (intended target or not) before seasons end?

daeve · 08-30-2022, 06:13 PM

Mitchell scrubbing his social media clean of Utah... https://www.fox13now.com/sports/nba/...media-accounts

daeve · 08-30-2022, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by matt roberson

How long until this team self implodes? What are the odds for whether Morris cheap shots one of his own teammates (intended target or not) before seasons end?

I'm giving them until mid-season... but who knows, it's such a powder keg with that collection of personalities + egos they've assembled.

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Poor Steve Nash. What a collection of characters.

I suppose he could always leave... would possibly be a 1st for a first-time HC, but who knows, lol.

Zedlaw · 08-30-2022, 06:36 PM

Another bucket getter. This Nets team is full of scorers, Simmons will never have to shoot again but might have to cover every defensive position. This could be a great team but that’s a lot of injury prone guys and a lot of potential defensive lapses

Chris P · 09-01-2022, 02:38 PM

Wow donovan mitchell to the cavs!!

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JustinVerlander07 Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: michigan Posts: 18,133 gladdyontherise gladdyontherise	RJ Barrett's extension....like are we even sure he's any good? Volume chucker right now. Career 45% 2 point shooter and he's 6'6... __________________ Collecting Justin Verlander, Detroit Tigers, Michigan State Spartans, Miz, Jey Uso, Kelani Jordan, Macho Man, WWE "Cavs in 7. Write it down"

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asujbl Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 65,225 ohiosundevils	I couldn’t give two craps about the Knicks but I’d absolutely pay Barrett this money. He’s only going to get better He’s legit. I disagree he’s just a “chucker” __________________ https://ohiosundevils.smugmug.com/ Browns/Cavs/Tribe/Buckeyes/Jackets/Devils TheFrenzy - “Blowout ain't a place for normies”

08-26-2022, 04:32 PM	#1051
RogerGodahell Banned Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Cardboard Enthusiast Posts: 20,783 RogerGodahell	This is actually the 3rd year in a row Luka is the preseaon favorite. It doesn't mean anything though until he actually wins it. It's still impressive though to be regarded that highly as he enters his 23 year old season. The Euros are definitely catching up to Americans in talent. Not quite as as good yet overall but they're starting to spit out a lot more gems. Even in the Olympics a lot of games are more competitive now than they used to be. Those teams used to get pounded by team USA in the 90's and prior. Some of it is the quality that team USA puts together but i think the talent overseas is getting better as well. Just imagine if Yugoslavia didn't break up, Jokic and Doncic would be on the same team right now in Eurobasket and the Olympics.

08-28-2022, 06:44 PM	#1060
daeve Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: savannah GA Posts: 13,247 accrules	Gallinari torn meniscus... tough offseason for Boston so far. Got the closest to the KD sweepstakes only to fall short and now their main vet depth acquisition is down.

08-30-2022, 09:16 AM	#1067
indyguy Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 8,512 arndru indyguyat	Two really crazy things from the article about the extension: 1. Barrett's deal ends a remarkable 23-year drought for the Knicks: He's the franchise's first draft pick to agree to a multiyear contract extension after his rookie deal since Charlie Ward in 1999, according to ESPN Stats & Information research. 2. Barrett is one of only five players in NBA history to amass 3,000 points, 1,000 rebounds and 200 3-pointers before his 22nd birthday, joining Kobe Bryant, Luka Doncic, Kevin Durant and LeBron James.

08-30-2022, 11:58 AM	#1069
daeve Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: savannah GA Posts: 13,247 accrules	Markieff "Jokic Coma" Morris to the Nets - really rounding out what could be the most unlikable team of all-time

08-30-2022, 06:13 PM	#1072
daeve Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: savannah GA Posts: 13,247 accrules	Mitchell scrubbing his social media clean of Utah... https://www.fox13now.com/sports/nba/...media-accounts

08-30-2022, 06:36 PM	#1074
Zedlaw Member Join Date: May 2019 Posts: 1,387	Another bucket getter. This Nets team is full of scorers, Simmons will never have to shoot again but might have to cover every defensive position. This could be a great team but that’s a lot of injury prone guys and a lot of potential defensive lapses

09-01-2022, 02:38 PM	#1075
Chris P Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 15,588	Wow donovan mitchell to the cavs!!